Open 409 - Moneybags' Less Pressure - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Voidedmafia]

No idea about Papi's style, but I just hope Andrew isn't insufferable.

Vote: Om

y u switch your ava wit gunny?

[Voidedmafia]

Check the Open queue lol.

You guys are twisted

Such ignorance by our mod!

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VOTE: Voidedmafia
Why is behind the scenes infront now?

Why is what where, now?

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VOTE: Voidedmafia
Why is behind the scenes infront now?

Why is what where, now?

In honesty, could you translate/explain that statement, please?

[Voidedmafia]

Oh, wait, I think I get it now.

Because he should've been aware of your little ava/sig change-up with Om, Gunny.

[Voidedmafia]

You aren't gonna answer the RQS?
VOTE: RachMarie

@Voided: Yeah. lol.

I don't answer the RQS, you don't complain

Rach doesn't answer the RQS, suddenly you're up in her business. What gives?

[Voidedmafia]

Doesn't explain why you didn't get on me for not answering RQS, though. And I know her, too.

[Voidedmafia]

Many people (especially established, experienced players) dislike RQS. Thought you might be one of them and didn't really care to push it on ya.

Replace "dislike" with "disinterested", and that's me, but that's a reasonable explanation.

Andrew: It was the inconsistency with how he was attacking Rach and I that I was attacking.

[Voidedmafia]

I personally didn't like Rach's answer to the last question.

Because the other two people who answered said/implied specific people (Gunny implied you, and Papi specifically said me), while Rach left her's open as to who she meant?

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EBWOP: Oh, fuck, you're confusing me already -_-

Om said he'd like to buddy with Papi, and Papi wanted to buddy with me.

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PEDIT: 4) Don't like either.
5) Chocolate all the way
6) You, we'd be an awesome team :3

Hmm, might've meant Andrew instead. I just thought the you meant Papi cuz you quote him in this post.

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Quoted*

[Voidedmafia]

Many people (especially established, experienced players) dislike RQS. Thought you might be one of them and didn't really care to push it on ya.

Replace "dislike" with "disinterested", and that's me, but that's a reasonable explanation.

Are you satisfied with shotgun's explanation

I don't know, can you read what I said?

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Voided- Yeah, I said he was good.. But I don't like his attitude. And how he handle Om Nom. On my last game, Nobody Special is like that. We voted for him, but he came back town.. So not yet.

I'm a sarcastic, snarky little bastard, what can I say? Though, I do try not to have it drip everywhere I go.

[Voidedmafia]

And what exactly did you not like about how I handled Om (or Gunny, whichever)?

[Voidedmafia]

And it was bad...why...?

[Voidedmafia]

You're really good.. :/

Not really.. Actually.

Now, I think you're just to make this game rolling. That's good.

Well, what's your read to other players?

@Om Nom, can you explain #2?

Answer the question, Papi. Don't sidestep it.

[Voidedmafia]

You're really good.. :/

Not really.. Actually.

Now, I think you're just to make this game rolling. That's good.

Well, what's your read to other players?

@Om Nom, can you explain #2?

Answer the question, Papi. Don't sidestep it.

yea man Papi is so scum for not answering you question

I don't care if he's an IC, he's going to answer the damn question. He said he found something off from my bit with Om, and he's not saying what. Only reason I'm not voting him is because he's an IC, but there's no way he's going to get off scot-free from being questioned.

[Voidedmafia]

Goddammit, don't tell me I'm going to be antagonized by both ICs this game...

Papi, ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION! You don't get to stick by and make these "ooooo, X did some Y thing but I'm not tellin'!", IC status be damned. You have just as much an imperative to scumhunt as the other 6 of us that aren't conftown, and you don't get to lord it over us like some sort of special heritage. Get your ass up, man up, answer the question, and get some goddamn work done.

Andrew, for crying out loud, do I SOUND like I'm pretending?! I will NOT let you two off the hook content-wise just because you two are conftown. That has not and never will mean that you can be complacent, sit back, and do nothing, and I will do everything I can to get one (if not both) of you to be productive.

Gunny, you're town until further notice.

[Voidedmafia]

I say we policy lynch the ICs.

Good idea! You have my 100% support!

[Voidedmafia]

My focus is on Papi because HE NEEDS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Secondly, I don't know yet.

Thirdly, why should be obvious, but in case you don't get it, it's because he's pressuring Papi, too.

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Post 80 - 2 things: 1, I'll know what the hell he was talking about. 2, more information, and more importantly, more

IC

information. As I've stated before, the two ICs

CANNOT be complacent

. Their opinions are the only ones we can 100% trust to be from town (even if they're useless), and the only other thing that's that trustworthy are flips.

So yeah, he needs to answer it.

Post 81 - He did? He gave somewhat baseless excuses for Papi's actions, but I don't see anywhere where he said my pressure was without substance.

I do agree with the rest of this post, however.

Vote on SAD pending his response to me and Post 86.

[Voidedmafia]

Gunny, I see reasons pretty clearly, so I'm not sure what you're not seeing.

[Voidedmafia]

What, exactly, do you want explained? I'm fairly sure I was clear-cut in what I meant.

[Voidedmafia]

Too many injokes that I don't know about...

Though, I do hope you can explain that vote, Chrimi.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not quite sure what wasn't clear.

Om claimed that Ser said my pressure was without substance in that post. I looked, and I didn't see anything that indicated he thought that. He did make some rather pitiful excsues for Papi's behavior, which I don't like, but again, no explicit or implicit indications that he thinks my pressure is baseless.

That clearer?

Chrimi: You're not getting a lot of favors, yknow. At least from me, anyways.

[Voidedmafia]

SEE?! STOP CONFUSING ME ALREADY!

[Voidedmafia]

Post 105 Only thing I can agree with (that isn't about myself) is the part about RachMarie.

Post 107 That's "regurgitation".

Post 108 You guys would be idiots just to lynch someone because they pressure an IC, though.

In regards to the part about Gunny, I don't see the "trying to jump in and get towncred" part you're seeing.

Two more things: D1 lynches are not basically 100% random, and just because you can't be 100% unique doesn't mean you have to be 85%+ sheep.

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

Post 109 ...right. And your findings were...?

[Voidedmafia]

Don't really see what's so scummy in Gunny, really.

Also, Papi, you STILL haven't answered my original question. I'll even repeat it all nice-like: What, exactly, did you not like from my spat with Gunny (or Om, whichever) early on?

[Voidedmafia]

The former, most likely. Only thing worth noting from his is that still-unexplained vote on you, Gunny. But he can die tomorrow, yah?

[Voidedmafia]

...Was that a scumclaim?

[Voidedmafia]

Nice try trying to add in the word that wasn't there.

You die tomorrow.

Andrew: Are you that blind?

also, he still needs to answer what he was expecting, too.

[Voidedmafia]

Actually, that's two scum down, we win. This game has the White Flag mechanic.

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Chrimi

[Voidedmafia]

But does that translate to Rach being scum? Or is that just PoE?

[Voidedmafia]

Eh, actually I went out to dinner. Can't ignore what I don't get to see unfold.

Also, I may be reading 159 wrong, but isn't that sounding like you're thinking Rach's actions aren't scummy? The first part, not the part talking about the slip.

[Voidedmafia]

I think the vengekill needs to resolve first, in case someone on the lynch dies which then forces it to L-1.

[Voidedmafia]

The shoddy defense thing I understand, but the first part isn't clicking for me. Unless she's andrew or she was that scatterbrained when she was looking, she should've been able to tell that Chrimi just claimed scum, just like all of us (except Andrew) were able to tell. I don't see nor buy the "she knew Chrimi was scum so she's scum" argument at all.

[Voidedmafia]

Well, when you ask the kind of question that looks like you didn't read anything, what was I supposed to think?

[Voidedmafia]

so...what?

I still don't buy Gunny's case on RachMarie, so PoE dictates that the last scum is Om. [possibleWIFOMterritory]I doubt that the scum will kill rach, as well, as she's looking like the next mislynch, and killing Gunny can make it seem like Rach killed him in some sort of panic, or something like that (panic isn't the word I want to use, but I can't think of it). Thus, going by tht logic, the last scum is Om.[/possibleWIFOMterritory]

Vote: Om

Mcqueen: Where IS Papi, btw? Is he in prod range?

[Voidedmafia]

Well, I did effectively admit that by that logic the scum is me and Om, didn't I? Just lynch one of the two of us and this game is set. Simple.

[Voidedmafia]

Why are you arguing that when your path is pretty darn clear? I mean, yeah, I probably did just screw up whatever kind of argument I was trying to present, but I was basically agreeing with you. Just stop arguing already.

Papi: Why are you being intentionally useless?

[Voidedmafia]

Geez, was that so hard?

[Voidedmafia]

Did you ever think that gunny was killed because he was right about Rach?

Could be. But then, could be WIFOM because Rach was shaping up to be a mislynch. Killing Gunny would indict Rach more no matter what her alignment is, so whether it's good or bad just depends on if she's scum or town.

Andrew: lol, blacklisting.

P-EDIT:

[Voidedmafia]

Someone's getting antsy.

[Voidedmafia]

So.. If we kill a VT this game, it's game over?

Correct, as there are 3 town and two scum.

[Voidedmafia]

Uh...I know I made a mistake and all, but...

[Voidedmafia]

Well, not so much "admit" as "forget the mechanics".

[Voidedmafia]

Fuck no, he's not. I don't have Alts, for crying out loud!

Also, andrew, hear me out for a second. I admit that what I posted could sound like what you think it is. However, I was thinking about the game from a non-White Flag perspective (and I think you can agree that what I posted makes sense from that perspective). Unfortunately, I didn't catch it until after I posted that and my response to you, so I just decided to roll with it

I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, but it's not like that's something you need to blacklist someone for if you don't believe me.

[Voidedmafia]

I posted in the wrong mindframe, yes. Also, just because Rach didn't hammer doesn't mean anything beyond the fact that she must be hella confident she won't be lynched first)

However, I still don't see how that's blacklist worthy. You still haven't explained it.

P-EDIT: I'm at 1, Om's at 2, Rach's at 1, i think. Why exactly do you want to lynch Rach, though?

[Voidedmafia]

WHY IS IT BLACKLIST WORTHY?! YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THAT QUESTION!

Also, scum don't HAVE to hammer, yknow. It's better for them, but they don't have to.

[Voidedmafia]

...Because I misremembered? Duh?

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Also, answer the damn question, already.

[Voidedmafia]

NO I AM FUCKING NOT!

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, ANDREW, WHAT THE HELL WOULD I GAIN FROM DOING THAT?!

[Voidedmafia]

No, it wouldn't get him banned (that would be stupid), but you're not conftown.

[Voidedmafia]

Can say the same thing for Rach, Ommy.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, YAY YOU TWO SWITCHED YOUR AVATARS BACK! NOW I WON'T BE CONFUSED ANYMORE!

P-EDIT: he's still been shit, though.

P-EDIT2: If the game's been completed (mod calls game over), then you can talk about it.

Also, he's just trying to fearmonger. Though the blacklisting part is probably real.

[Voidedmafia]

Well, there's a mafia game that a confimed town is mafia so there are still possibilities..

No there is fucking not. If you played in a game where the mod confirmed a mafia member as town then that is a terrible mod unless he stated beforehand it was a bastard game.

Very true.

Though, in Open 360 Korlash played that no-hammer tell to keep himself very much town to everyone there. MAYBE that's what he's referring to (the strategy, not the game).

P-EDIT: To be honest, I agree with Om, here. The hell took you so long.

Also, Om, killing Gunny wasn't that bad. I just slipped badly.

[Voidedmafia]

When you are scum, not hammering town in LYLO is the stupidest move you can ever make.

Killing gunny was horrible, if you had killed andrew I most likely would have been lynched.

Not really. You were still mislynch material. I MEANT to work the WIFOM to mean that Rach was less scummy than you (not that she's not scum, just that you're the scummier of the two), but I didn't do that very well.

That, and Gunny was breathing down Rach's neck. We weren't sure we could turn off the pressure.

P-EDIT: As for the partner question...Nope, not even going to answer that stupid a question.

[Voidedmafia]

While he's dead? U srs?

[Voidedmafia]

I mean, really.

"BLARGH! ZOMBIE CHRIMI SHOOT GUNNY FROM GRAVE! BLARGH!"

No.

[Voidedmafia]

True, but seriously, Papi was useless. I could've wasted all my time trying to get him to lynch you, and he might not have done it because he's given nothing.

Hell, Andrew was useless this game, too. You only got some sort of leverage because I slipped. That's it. Om and I may argue about how good killing Gunny was, but if I hadn't slipped, you would've just been this nigh-useless IC second only to Papi who probably wouldn't have been able to get much done. Om would've been your only hope, but I do think that I'm a bit better at convincing people than him, so.

[Voidedmafia]

No, seriously, you were useless. as. fuck.

[Voidedmafia]

Whoa, now, Gunny. I admit I slipped up at the end, but I don't think I was "horrible".

[Voidedmafia]

Lol at how everyone in the Scum team was shouting: "Dream Team!" "Auto Win!" etc.

Well, that was BEFORE we had problems, okay?!

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Rach: Can we kill Andrew N 1? Please pretty please with sugar on top??


why u hate me

GET HIM HELP! HE'S SUICIDAL!