New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

CF Riot · Post Post #2175 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:15 pm

Ya I'm here too. Not much to remark on currently.

Ythan · Post Post #2176 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:14 pm

Vote Count

1 Matias (Pine) L-3
0 noraaa
0 petapan
0 crypto
0 CF Riot
0 Pine

5 Not Voting (petapan, Matias, CF Riot, noraaa, crypto)

4 to lynch
Deadline June 21st

In post 2174, Pine wrote:Seriously? We're waiting on Noraaa for some reason. I'm only like seven posts back.

And there were no posts in a day.

Matias · Post Post #2177 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Still waiting.

CF Riot · Post Post #2178 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:48 pm

I thought about it and I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Nora

cause I think she could come out and champion a scum lynch and I'd still suspect her the next day b/c at this point its gotta be level grounds for everyone. No scumbuddies left but both camps still in play means everyone is genuinely scumhunting now, so that's no longer town points. I can't really think of anything she could do to change my mind.

crypto · Post Post #2179 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:24 am

here kind of for a few days waiting on nora's input and petapan's verdict probably

crypto · Post Post #2180 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:25 am

waiting for*

jesus christ i'm catching the mafiascum.net

Ythan · Post Post #2181 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:38 pm

Petapan has been prodded.

petapan · Post Post #2182 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:59 pm

yeah i'm procrastinating just going to do this vca, not decided yet and not lynching a person while they're on v/la

day 2

3
Mogri
(
TeChNoWC
,
BK201
, Pine) L-5
2
Nobody Special
(
inte
, crypto)
1
BK201
(petapan)
0 petapan
0
Blonde Doctor

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0
inte

0
TeChNoWC

0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

9 Not Voting (
Blonde Doctor
,
Hiraki
, Matias, mb53,
Mogri
,
Nobody Special
, noraaa,
Uberninja
,
Psyche
)

Spoiler:

Not a lot of note happens. Mogri wagon rises, falls, and rises again, there's some alternate wagons but most of what we see on those is people who are already dead, so not much learned at all. Then, the flash technowc wagon happens:

6
TeChNoWC
(
Kairyuu
,
Uberninja
, Pine,
Nobody Special
,
Mogri
, noraaa) L-2
4
Nobody Special
(
inte
,
TeChNoWC
, crypto,
BK201
)
2
Mogri
(
Hiraki
, petapan)
1
Hiraki
(Matias)
0 petapan
0
inte

0
Kairyuu

0
BK201

0 crypto
0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

2 Not Voting (mb53,
Psyche
)

8
TeChNoWC
(
Kairyuu
,
Uberninja
, Pine,
Nobody Special
,
Mogri
, noraaa,
TeChNoWC
,
Psyche
) LYNCH
3
Nobody Special
(
inte
, crypto,
BK201
)
2
Mogri
(
Hiraki
, petapan)
1
Hiraki
(Matias)
0 petapan
0
inte

0
Kairyuu

0
BK201

0 crypto
0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

1 Not Voting (mb53)

Even taking into account the pissed off selfvote I'd be surprised to learn that there were only 2 scum on that wagon considering how

fast

it happened though I can already see that's in part due to nobody special and mogri being worthless assholes. makes nora look like a good vote as i'm still thinking pine is town but we shall see

petapan · Post Post #2183 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:09 pm

2
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
) L-6
2
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0
inte

0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

0
Psyche

9 not voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, crypto,
inte
, Matias, mb53,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
)

Spoiler:

no major wagons form, loose votes, votes on inte are from dead scum so it's useless

7
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
, petapan, crypto,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
,
BK201
) L-1
3
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
, CF Riot)
1
inte
(
Kairyuu
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
1
Kairyuu
(
inte
)
0
Psyche

0 petapan
0
BK201

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

1 not voting (Matias)

8
Mogri
(Pine,
Hiraki
, petapan, crypto,
Nobody Special
,
Psyche
,
BK201
,
inte
) LYNCH
3
Nobody Special
(noraaa,
Uberninja
, CF Riot)
1
inte
(
Kairyuu
)
1 Pine (
Mogri
)
0
Kairyuu

0
Psyche

0 petapan
0
BK201

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0
Uberninja

1 not voting (Matias)

and then mogri gets pulverized pretty fast. Two of the blues on, if we assume the third was off it puts it between nora/matias as i doubt CF riot is blue. tossup about red, hiraki was on while kairyuu and UN were whiteknighting him like crazy. not a whole lot learned here.

petapan · Post Post #2184 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:29 pm

day 4? day 4.

Spoiler:

7
Nobody Special
(crypto,
inte
,
Uberninja
,
Psyche
, CF Riot, noraaa, Pine) LYNCH
2
Psyche
(
Hiraki
,
Nobody Special
)
0
inte

0 crypto
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0
Uberninja

4 Not Voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, Matias)

well that's completely fucking useless

petapan · Post Post #2185 (ISO) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:09 pm

day 5 is more useful

Spoiler:

3
Psyche
(Pine,
Hiraki
,
inte
) L-4
1
inte
(CF Riot)
1
Uberninja
(
Psyche
)
1 noraaa (
Uberninja
)
0 petapan
0
BK201

0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 Pine

6 Not Voting (petapan,
BK201
,
Kairyuu
, crypto, Matias, noraaa)

this vote right here by UN and another bit later on make me doubt the possibility of nora as a red, don't see why UN would pick a fight with nora but defend a player like d3f3nd3r who didn't stand a chance. not sure how pine got that as distancing but i'd need to check. also CF riot is still definitely not blue

Spoiler:

3
Psyche
(Pine,
Hiraki
,
inte
) L-4
3
BK201
(Matias, CF Riot,
Uberninja
)
1
Uberninja
(
Psyche
)
1 CF Riot (crypto)
1
inte
(
BK201
)
0 Pine
0 Matias
0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
Kairyuu

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

3 Not Voting (petapan,
Kairyuu
, noraaa)

the psyche and BK201 wagons start to duel. This doesn't say much about red team, but it does give info on blue.

Spoiler:

1 Not Voting (

D3f3nd3r

)[/b][/quote]

Spoiler:

6
Psyche
(
Hiraki
,
inte
, CF Riot,
BK201
,
D3f3nd3r
, Pine) L-1
5
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, petapan, noraaa,
Psyche
)
0
Uberninja

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 Pine
0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (crypto)

I really don't know what to make of this. This would reflect somewhat poorly on CF riot were it not for the other evidence pointing to him as not blue, so ignoring that...looking for the one that bussed, I guess.

Spoiler:

5
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, crypto,
D3f3nd3r
,
Psyche
) L-2
4
Psyche
(
Hiraki
, CF Riot,
BK201
, Pine)
1 Pine (petapan)
1
Uberninja
(noraaa)
0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

1 Not Voting (
inte
)

This here is what made me doubt nora being red but I couldn't find the post where the vote was. ignoring those two wagons to try to vote UN just doesn't make me think red idk

7
BK201
(Matias,
Uberninja
, crypto,
D3f3nd3r
,
Psyche
, noraaa,
inte
) LYNCH
4
Psyche
(
Hiraki
, CF Riot,
BK201
, Pine)
1 Pine (petapan)
0
Uberninja

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0
inte

0 noraaa
0 petapan
0
D3f3nd3r

0 crypto
0
Hiraki

he gets hammered here out of inevitability. Really the only person I'd rule out as blue based on this is matias.

CF Riot · Post Post #2186 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:52 am

Prod dodge.

Pine · Post Post #2187 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:54 am

Same.

Matias · Post Post #2188 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:36 am

Waiting on your finishing up, peta.

When does Nora's V/LA end?

noraaa · Post Post #2189 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:55 am

back. Looks like you guys did really well in my absence. I'll try to catch up tonight but if I don't I'll be full-in by tomorrow.

noraaa · Post Post #2190 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:09 pm

hey so, here are my thoughts, my replies to questions pertaining to my loyalties, and my iso of CF (had to after reading the last like ten pages)

-the two people who thought I was scummiest all game were each scum themselves. My interactions with UN were a combination of frustration, trying to get him to back up his reasons I was scum (and getting closer to the vote button every time he ignored it), and honestly, I got caught up in arguing like babies. The people who now think I'm scum are most strongly, Pine and CF. So, yeah. Look into THAT if you guys end up deciding to be stupid and lynch me before those two flip.

In post 2119, Pine wrote:The interaction between Blonde Doctor and Noraaa strongly link them in my mind.

As far as my "associations" with Blondie go, I've stated from the beginning that she reminded me of a really shitty newbie player, like I was. I think that when the confirmation that I'm being honest about why I thought she was town is so easy to find, it's really interesting not to look into it. Anyone want to read me in my first game? Myself and Hiraki (both town) whined and moaned at each other for pages and pages (another good tell that he wasn't town this game since he was mostly silent) and he should have known better but I was tunnelling on him the way (i thought) Blondie was tunnelling on Matias.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

bk had thought i was too conversational and too "quick to defend myself" without answering questions.. which. a)why single me out as the conversational one when others were as well, b)as always, i reply to things about me, I feel that's prudent c)i totally answered the questions and even went into more detail when it was considered that I hadn't.

I really can't say much more than I have about BK. I mostly thought he was scummy all game, I mentioned it a few times, I voted him until that UN shit where I was getting ignored (thank you guys for killing that fuck).. and I can't help that someone who is scum wants to call me scummy. I'm gonna lolnothanks to them all day. I don't force my responses, and I'm really not sure how his supposed reasoning that I was scummy wouldn't get eyerolled by everyone here. But then, maybe you're using his shitty "hunting" to reason me dead. Which I can understand but obviously not get behind. If you kill me off then we can't kill the real scum.

-Good job getting the scum, guys. The only one that surprised me was inte, but like I said before I left, the way Hiraki was defending him really made me wonder. And of course Kairyuu before he disappeared.. I really need to learn the difference between important sounding lies and important sounding truths. But I play to get better at picking apart shit like this, so.

Also thanks for letting me not get killed while I was gone. Realllly appreciate that. Sorry I didn't make an official in-thread post but I mentioned it was coming several times beforehand, so. Time got away from me.

-Right now I'm leaning toward CF as I read, Pine and crypto have that "probably town but if they're scum I swear to god.." vibe going on for me, peta is damn near confirmed for me, and matias.. is.. well. Somewhere floating in space. Still gotta do that iso of him. And now CF. He's pushing on me based off highly circumstantial evidence which I've explained multiple times in thread and now am linking you more information about. And he seems to come in and parrot a lot. He even straight up said he'd vote whoever the majority wanted for the rest of the game because of his bad track record, then tries to push Pine's wagon on me. Which honestly doesn't sit well to me. He can't even come up with his own reasons to vote someone? (self-pedit: by the end of this writeup I no longer believe Pine to be so townish)

Really interested in knowing how much Pine thinks I'm scum (based off Blondie associations) after he skims that link from my first game, like he will cause he's a good townsman, right?

The first page says we have killed three blue and three red. So, was UN being totally scumdroppy when he said there are five members of one of the teams? He did get really bold with his scum crumbs at the end there, I notice. Or are there four and four, or just one more? Like. Do we have one more dude or two? If we have two I wanna guess CF and one of Pine, Matias, crypto. Like I said two are wild cards leaning town and the other is just.. there.

CF, post 1136

"I <3 Kairyuu back, but kind of resent him for saying everything I'm thinking about Mogri before my first post. We'll look like buddying now. That's okay, for now he town reads and I never noticed much about B.Doc."

-highly suspects peta at this point

later in post:

"Kairyuu's gunna hate me but 1104 tl;dr. I got your top 4 scumspects out of the deal, that's good enough for me. Mine at this point are almost the same, different order."

In post 1440, crypto wrote:

"[We should vote] The dudes who weren't voting [RedFF] at the time of his lynch, I mean."

In post 1454, CF replied:

"This is Kairyuu(B.Doc), Matias, Nora, BK, and Pine. Speaking strictly for myself, the first three on that list are giving more town vibes than anything. BK and Pine are on my possible scumlist"

I agree that Matias or Pine -could- be a final scum. Also here he thought I was town.

post 1448, CF

"Matias read the last two pages then vote Psyche right now.

Also his scumbuddies are Pine and Peta. Psychic powers ftw."

Here he still felt Pine was scum, also peta was scum.

post 1494, CF

"...and what does Psyche do? Makes up the most contrived bullcrap reason to vote someone I have ever seen based on one post he made way back on day 2. Not only that, he doesn't even do a good job of it because he says the tell has the reliability of a coin flip. You can even see the guilt all over his little emoticon face right now. Psyche knows he screwed up. You all know he screwed up. And I know he screwed up. Case closed."

That reminds me, Psyche was dead set that Pine was scum. He was right about bk. It's worth considering.

post 1515, CF

"How is no one else having a red flag reaction to Psyche's BK vote?"
"Am I really the only one bothered by this?"

He tends to claim to be the only one thinking things more than once in this game, I noticed. He's gonna do it again in a minute, just watch. The other two who claimed that sort of thing were inte and UN. Just sayin.

post 1832, CF

"Pine and Hiraki have been holding hands on every wagon all game. I can hardly imagine I'm the only one that's noticed this. I wifom myself out of believing scum would be that obvious though."

If you still believe this, why aren't you pushing Pine hard now that you know how Hiraki flipped? In fact, why are you taking his reasoning that I'm scum instead of pushing him if he's still a read of yours? Super curious for those answers please.

post 2140, CF

"Peta/Crypto/Matias lylo endgame, who wins?"

I find it really interesting that he thinks those three are the endgame. Why Matias over himself? If he thinks Pine must be town (post 2035- "Hiraki or Pine but not both") then why not Pine in endgame? Why this post at all? It's really weird. As is his response regarding its purpose (2142).

post 2149, CF

"Nora then Pine. The other 3 of you are too close to call. I haven't suspected Matias all game but the 4/4 scum genocide seems more of a credit to Peta/Cryp than Mat."

okay so now he thinks Pine is scum again. What GIVES, man? First he's scum, then he's not scum if Hiraki is, then he's pretty town and you're using his logic to vote me (who you haven't really said shit about all game until now, btw), and now you want him dead after me? Yeah ok.

post 2163, CF

"Crypto tell me the advantage to a Matias lynch over a Nora lynch."

dude will you just pick someone to suspect and stick with them? seriously this is getting a little silly.

post 2187, CF

"I thought about it and I'm going to go ahead and Vote: Nora cause I think she could come out and champion a scum lynch and I'd still suspect her the next day b/c at this point its gotta be level grounds for everyone. No scumbuddies left but both camps still in play means everyone is genuinely scumhunting now, so that's no longer town points. I can't really think of anything she could do to change my mind."

what do any of those words even mean? seriously. so suddenly after all this red scum got taken up you feel that I'm scum, and your only real reason is that you agree with Pine. And that I'm so scummy that even if I personally beat a scum (really can't help that I wasn't here for UN lynch but I was visibly to the best of my ability trying to handle him all game) with great logic it wouldn't change your mind? You used the same excuse with Psyche, please don't recycle your answers.

And honestly, unless I'm mistaken (I don't have a strong mechanical background)(I'm addressing this here bc of your "no scumbuddies left but both camps still in play" comment here, combined with your later post that I quote where you mention your endgame player list), we don't know if there's 0/1, 0/2, or 1/1 (team a / team b) scum left for sure. But you're sure there's "no scumbuddies left but both camps still in play." This has obviously left the realm of a regular nightless game setup already, as evidenced by Pine's "10/3/3 is pretty standard" post so how can you be sure that there's 1/1 left? And if so, and if you think one of them is me, and one of them is Pine or Matias, but you want- as you mention later- Matias to be endgame, then you seem to be contradicting your own logic. Cause if Pine and I are the scum, and we die, then all three of them would win as town. And if Pine and Matias, or myself and Matias are scum, why would you want Matias in endgame? You really need to stick to a supposed read, please. If you think he could be the scum you do not want him in endgame. Unless you're scum and you want an "in."

"b/c at this point its gotta be level grounds for everyone. No scumbuddies left but both camps still in play means everyone is genuinely scumhunting now, so that's no longer town points."

please, please elaborate on this. If it's "level ground" for everyone (which why would it have to be? Are you saying you want us to pretend the rest of the game didn't happen and start reads fresh, cause.. that's pretty dumb), and everyone is "genuinely scumhunting now" then WHAT exactly is "no longer town points"? Sorry, I hate ambiguous pronouns. And from the looks of it, you're saying that I've been scumhunting but that's not good enough anymore? Gee I'm sorry that I'm not a master sleuth, but I think I've been doing as well as I could have been.

crypto- sorry I guess that I suck so bad that you think I'm scum now.

everyone who tried to say I was "suspiciously quiet all of a sudden" without checking my post history, or say.. looking even a few pages back to see the big VLA on my account or the multiple mentions that I'd be gone soon for a few days.. Shame on you and one of you is probably scum.

In post 2084, inte wrote:Pine is town

this could be telling. Pine was pretty against inte all game but not enough to really push for a lynch, if I am recalling correctly. Could be a red dude. Wouldn't surprise me too hard if Pine and UN were fucking with us during that last little exchange they had. Double WIFOM, as it were.

Pine, in 2085 you say "generally scummy behavior and opportunism." by myself. Oh please do explain. What opportunism, and why haven't we been talking about it more? Why didn't you join BK and UN in pushing for my Perhaps you wanted to agree lightly so that you could use it later, but not tie yourself too closely to your teammates.

I think at this point I could go either way with Pine/CF but after all that shit I just typed up I feel like CF is how I want to go atm.

vote CF

CF Riot · Post Post #2191 (ISO) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:12 pm

Here's some responses to the wall. Not quote pyramiding.

The reason I'm voting you has nothing at all to do with Pine. I'm voting you because your posting all game has a non-committal, waffley tone and the suspect list is short.

Re: Pine. For a portion of the game I thought Pine was scummy, mostly for being lurky and vague. Later I iso'd him along with some other lurkers and didn't suspect him as much by comparison, however this was not meant to imply he was a town-read. Now, I've returned to him as a suspect because of the same reasons I originally had and the short suspect list and the fact that Peta/Cryp/Mat seem townish. (More on this further down.)

The Psyche thing, I meant that I was the only one freaking the eff out over his stat post, not just that I was the only one who said it was crappy or that said he was suspicious. I thought it was the scummiest post of the game. (Open mouth, insert crow.) I don't really feel like this ties me to Inte or UN but okay.

Peta/Cryp/Mat post, probably a mistake by me. At the time I thought there was only one scum left going off the 10/3/3 assumption from earlier. I guess I just got lazy b/c I thought it was in the bag. I made this remark as an unlikely "worst case scenario" because out of the voting block those 3 seemed the most town. This is also why Pine and I weren't listed. I also have been cautiously suspicious of Peta and Cryp all game because of their playstyle so that was a factor in why I thought it'd be interesting. I feel like this explanation is unnecessarily wordy so I'm going to stop now, it was only ever supposed to be hypothetical at a point when I was bored.

My reads on everyone at the beginning of this game day don't seem in conflict with anything I've said so far.

Re: my question to Crypto, I think Nora is the better lynch and thought that was implied, however I'm not against changing my vote and do not think that would be scummy.

Set-up wifom, it seems obvious to assume both scum teams were the same size, not that one had 3 members and the other had 4 or 5. Referring back to above, I don't

want

Matias in the endgame over me, that was just a "what if". He is a townread for me but I do think he could be scum, I don't think this is unusual or scummy.

"level grounds.." is me saying based off the assumption that there is one left of each scum, every player currently alive in the game has

at least

one scum left to hunt AND only knows their own alignment. This puts the remaining mafia in a unique position where legitimately scumhunting plays to their wincon, therefore doing so logically or even successfully won't be a town-tell. This was not the case before today b/c there were alliances left between teams. So I'm not saying we should start over with fresh reads, I'm basically saying the opposite, that

nearly

all our reads will need to come from earlier in the game when scum still had a reason to behave like scum.

crypto · Post Post #2192 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:14 am

In post 2191, CF Riot wrote:I also have been cautiously suspicious of Peta and Cryp all game because of their playstyle

you had better explain this because it's unforgivably retardedly illogical

Matias · Post Post #2193 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:39 am

I can see crypto, but what the hell? Peta?

Pine · Post Post #2194 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:49 am

Not entirely sure why all of this matters.

Town wins as long as it has two people that we're sure are Townies. Lynch the rest.

crypto · Post Post #2195 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:28 am

In post 2193, Matias wrote:I can see crypto, but what the hell? Peta?

stop piggybacking buddy you're still on the chopping block

Pine · Post Post #2196 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:00 am

Unvote
Vote: Matias

I know my vote was already here. I'm ready to move things along.

CF Riot · Post Post #2197 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:51 am

Ugh, I'm going to agree with scum but the point Inte made a long time ago. Short posts, constant vote hopping. It seems to me like a way to avoid forming a solid opinion about players by diluting every post to a point where they can be written off as passing suspicion and it allows you to wagon hop without causing too many ripples. It bothered me more at the beginning of the game but after a while I just accepted it as how they play and after the triple red flip I figured it probably wasn't actually scummy it's just a style of play I don't particularly like.

If you follow my posting all game through you can see I've had lingering suspicion about Peta originating from BBMolla, but that it wanes as the game goes on and it's never really been high enough for me to vote him over other people. Like I said, playstyle bugs me and makes me suspicious, but I'm aware that he's been doing other towny things and that my suspicions may all be groundless, personal hangups.

Ythan · Post Post #2198 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:32 pm

Petapan has been prodded.

petapan · Post Post #2199 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:49 pm

have i been that absent, fuck

sorry just been feelin bummed not super jazzed for playing but i'll get through this tonight, read content and reply tomorrow

day 6 here

Spoiler:

6
Psyche
(
Uberninja
,
inte
,
D3f3nd3r
,
Hiraki
, Pine, CF Riot) LYNCH
5
D3f3nd3r
(petapan, crypto, noraaa,
Psyche
, Matias)
0 Pine
0
Hiraki

0
Uberninja

0 petapan
0 crypto
0
inte

0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa

0 Not Voting

really only the last votecount needs to be looked at here on this day. Basically all you can do is theorize if someone bussed or not. Might as well recheck the posts themselves though.