Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[shos]

Hmm. How about a massclaim of flavor pics? this would be interesting to see, and there is no rule forbidding it

ninja'd: wtf?

[shos]

lol, is that what it means that I might get charged? possibly an random immunity to night actions?

[Yosarian2]

Hmm. How about a massclaim of flavor pics? this would be interesting to see, and there is no rule forbidding it

I was assuming that copy-pasting the flavor pic would count as quoting the role PM, but I don't actually know.

Mod, are we allowed to show our pictures?

lol, is that what it means that I might get charged? possibly an random immunity to night actions?

Hmm. Well, it could be that scum roleblocker that Vi claimed hit her the night before. If so, though, it makes the lack of night kills even more confusing.

[Nuwen]

check out that massive question dodge between 1808 and 1809.

Hi.

Nuwen, supposing PRs don't have ny valuable info, what do youthink?

Would imply mafia shot a BP (Shos, SK, not mutually exclusive at this point) while the SK no-killed or shot another BP. I'm going to assume town has no more preventative powers left with the RB and doc dead. Considering massclaim.
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If you had actually read what I'd posted, you'd be squirming to explain-away why a doc-protected slot on a night with no scum kill (N1 - Yos claimed out Elmo's death) remains alive today. Did a magical doc spring up or are you going to tell me that someone no-killed/avoided shooting a protect-confirmed slot this close to endgame to play WIFOM games.

Vi either has an SK-ish vest or controls the scum kill. I want it dead NOW.

Vote: Vi

[Nuwen]

And I want Zar to check in and please tell me where Shos went last night. You DID track the claimed vest in a game with a likely third party, right.

[Vi]

check out that massive question dodge between 1808 and 1809.

Hi.

Nuwen, supposing PRs don't have ny valuable info, what do youthink?

Would imply mafia shot a BP (Shos, SK, not mutually exclusive at this point) while the SK no-killed or shot another BP. I'm going to assume town has no more preventative powers left with the RB and doc dead. Considering massclaim.
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If you had actually read what I'd posted, you'd be squirming to explain-away why a doc-protected slot on a night with no scum kill (N1 - Yos claimed out Elmo's death) remains alive today. Did a magical doc spring up or are you going to tell me that someone no-killed/avoided shooting a protect-confirmed slot this close to endgame to play WIFOM games.

Vi either has an SK-ish vest or controls the scum kill. I want it dead NOW.

Vote: Vi

Even as my flavor character yearns for duck cooked in honey and garlic, I see three... actually four big problems with this post.

But, thanks for claiming scum!

[springlullaby]

I was assuming that copy-pasting the flavor pic would count as quoting the role PM, but I don't actually know.

Mod, are we allowed to show our pictures?

No rule, so ok.

[Vi]

M

orning rose as bleak as a sad duck's plumage.

Funny that ducks are mentioned here. Sad ducks at that. Sad wild ducks cooked in honey and garlic.

I actually -do- have a few things to say. (I mean, aside from the normal report about Nuwen being scum - check out that massive question dodge between 1808 and 1809.) But as for now, you can enjoy the taste of the aforementioned duck (alas, you will have to do so without me) and in the meantime give good consideration to roasting this turkey:

Vote: Nuwen

(L-3)

I'm about to go out really soon (alas, not for wild duck - the honey and garlic just do nothing for me these days) but it's probably worth pointing out now that what I have to say doesn't conclusively point to me knowing who the scum is atm, before anyone thinks otherwise.

With that said, any of you partaking of the duck who wants to help choke a chicken would be most appreciated after voting Nuwen. I'll explain all that's wrong and bad with Nuwen's post when I get back but for right now see if you can spot all of the issues.

[shos]

Vi, huh?

I need to reread some stuff with hiraki and the claims, but so far I don't see anything wrong.?

[Yosarian2]

I was assuming that copy-pasting the flavor pic would count as quoting the role PM, but I don't actually know.

Mod, are we allowed to show our pictures?

No rule, so ok.

Sweet, thanks.

[Yosarian2]

If you had actually read what I'd posted, you'd be squirming to explain-away why a doc-protected slot on a night with no scum kill (N1 - Yos claimed out Elmo's death) remains alive today. Did a magical doc spring up or are you going to tell me that someone no-killed/avoided shooting a protect-confirmed slot this close to endgame to play WIFOM games.

Vi either has an SK-ish vest or controls the scum kill. I want it dead NOW.

Vote: Vi

This post is...really confusing. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that vi was doc protected on night 1? Are you saying that the scum tried to kill her last night? Are you saying that *you* tried to kill her last night?

[charter]

That picture looks like what I was told.

[shos]

Vi N1
you N2

so Vi was protected N1, so that means he blocked the kill night 1 on Vi, so that makes Vi conftown, supposedly, so why did scum let him live through this night. that's good thinking, but there's also the option that *I* was shot N1. so that is one mistake on Nuwen's end indeed.

[Nuwen]

Vi N1

you N2

Hiraki protected Vi on a night there was at least one missing kill (two if you think Yos is a town vig, in addition to there being a third party+scum). When Hiraki flipped town, I realized that a couple things could be happening that might require a full/fresh reread.

The thought process:

1. Vi was a scum kill N1 (protected), Yos did some EXTREME gambiting as SK - claiming out a shot on vig fodder, shooting after claiming vanilla-ized.

• This was actually my first working assumption, which is why I'm
  very, very
  surprised to see Vi currently alive, along with everything else. Scum wanted him dead N1 - if he were that problematic, why would he be left alive as protect-conf-notscum? Mafia in this situation would either have to call him the target of the SK kill (which just implies knowledge of night shots, can't be used as an angle) to get him lynched or...? There's no good answer to this question.
  
  He shouldn't be alive unless he controls the mafia shot or there's more going on at night than what's been claimed.

But for completionism, I did move to

1a. Vi was an SK kill N1 (protected), Yos is telling the truth, scum kill was ??? and ??? happened to it. Shos' vest claim could fill in the ???

• The SK thinks Vi is scum too! Help me fucking lynch him and maybe we'll play games tomorrow.
  
  This pretty much implies Shos as the BP SK, and he would have had to absorb the mafia shot.
  This is where I believe the Martin flavor is important and worth reading from as many non-Shos sources as possible
  .

Following me yet?

The first situation makes it highly, highly unlikely that Vi would still be alive as town (in fact, there's a LOT that shouldn't be alive right now). I think the only explanation for this is a cross-kill onto an SK's BP (Vi -> Shos? Maybe Vi -> Yos, but I'm beginning to think he's been telling the truth), and then a no-kill or something failed on the third party's shot. Do you see what I mean?

There just aren't many complete explanations based on what powers have claimed out, unless Magua has some VERY VERY novel information to add to this mix.

I want Vi to claim next, followed by Magua.

[shos]

so are you proposing a massclaim?

also about the martinpart - I'm not sure how this is related in any way. as I said, with google image search I found that the medallion is named after St. Martin or something like that.

[Yosarian2]

The first situation makes it highly, highly unlikely that Vi would still be alive as town (in fact, there's a LOT that shouldn't be alive right now).

I'm not really seeing it. If scum tried to shoot Vi and failed, they wouldn't try again until they knew why, which would have been after the end-day doc claim yesterday. And I woudn't really expect them to try last night; as of yesterday we had multiple claimed power roles; we had both a tracker and a flavorcop, either one of which would have been more likely targets.

I am also starting to have doubts about the existence of a SK; there are just too many missing kills, especially with the doc dead. Perhaps the mafia just had an extra one-shot kill or something?

[shos]

couldn't there be some other way for people to die? look here:

UberNinja, A Statuette of Pazuzu, a town forensic investigator - was destroyed by the authorities on Day 1.
Quilford Elmo TeH AzN, Endymion in Diane and Endymion by Jean-Jacques Pradier, a town dreamer - was reduced to pieces on Night 1.
Furcolow, The Portrait of Madame Récamier by Jacques Louis David, a mafia charmer - was destroyed by the authorities on Day 2.
kanyeknowbest, Williard Winckelmann, a town scientific expert - was killed on Night 2.
Parama, Polyphème Desroches, a town night guard - was killed on Night 2.
Hiraki, Jacqueline Champollion, a town art restorer - was taken into preventive custody on Day 3.

(taken from page 1)
note how both UN and Furcolow were destroyed by the authority - when lynched; Yos's kill was 'reduced to pieces', and the two dead guys of night 2 were both KILLED.

could it be that mafia can kill only on even nights, and then they have 2 kills? cuz it'll fit: N1 hey don't kill, and yos kills; N2 they kill 2; N3 they don't kill. which....if correct...puts us in mylo.

[Yosarian2]

Eh. More likely, shos, "people" are "killed" or "taken into custody" while pieces of art are "destroyed" or "reduced to pieces". Note that Kanye, Parama, and Hiraki are humans while uberninja, elmo, and furcolow were pieces of art. "Taken into custody" or "destroyed by the athorities" look like lynches, while "killed" or "reduced to pieces" look like nightkills.

We won't know for sure until we see if there's any other kill methods, but I don't think we're getting any info from that, except about the role of the person who died.

[shos]

eh. that makes more sense, lol.

then I think I'll support a massclaim now. we're 7, so if there actually is a SK here, we *might* be in mylo anyway.

[Vi]

If you had actually read what I'd posted, you'd be squirming to explain-away why a doc-protected slot on a night with no scum kill (N1 - Yos claimed out Elmo's death) remains alive today. Did a magical doc spring up or are you going to tell me that someone no-killed/avoided shooting a protect-confirmed slot this close to endgame to play WIFOM games.

Vi either has an SK-ish vest or controls the scum kill. I want it dead NOW.

Vote: Vi

This post is...really confusing. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that vi was doc protected on night 1? Are you saying that the scum tried to kill her last night? Are you saying that *you* tried to kill her last night?

You found one of the issues, O lucky duck-eating one with an affinity for the honey and garlic I crave.

1) Nuwen is basically claiming to have shot me Night 3. Not only that, but she's claiming that it's OBVIOUS that the scum shot me Night 3. Granted, it's possible (nay, likely) that a kill was used on me Night 1 because I am a designated bullet-catcher, and Nuwen is totally playing the "why is Vi alive" card, but to say that I would be an obvious scumkill ignores the other options available (the most immediately obvious one being the other person in the Doc post, Zar).

As an aside, one can only wonder WHY I would be killed. I feel like mislynch bait right now (separate from what's going on now), but I've been pretty adamant about exactly one person in this game being scum. I shouldn't be taking any hits at all right now... unless I'm right. I mean seriously.

As another aside, I actually do believe I stopped a kill last Night. But more on that in a moment.

2) Nuwen completely missed the point of shos' question. Once

again

in this game, she's not doing anything except playing the setup. She doesn't have any reads on anyone except (fancy this) me.

3) I forgot what the third issue was. I'll find someone to blame this on.

4) Here's my claim.

As the mummy I wander the halls at Night, practicing my moonwalk for the big surprise Thriller party on Thursday. I can choose a floor and I might find something of use, but I'm told that which floor I choose may have farther-reaching implications. I chose Second Floor Night 1 basically at random and got a scenic tour but that's about it. I tried First Floor Night 2 but got little more than attacked and sent back to my sarcophagus with a bit of a rough attitude. I tried Ground Floor last Night and got a visitor I was able to chase away before they broke all of my canopic jars. That's why I believe I was the target of a kill. With that said, being without most of my internal organs leaves me with a silly post restriction as a memento of the affair. But post restrictions are fun; I can make bird humor as we lynch the fowl villain I've been trying to get DEAD for

three and a half Days now

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Oh, before I forget, I was raised up by a mysterious power of some kind. Which sounds like what shos claimed, hence that one line of questioning D3.

Any questions?

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I am also starting to have doubts about the existence of a SK; there are just too many missing kills, especially with the doc dead. Perhaps the mafia just had an extra one-shot kill or something?

I've certainly given that idea thought, though I wouldn't expect you to be the one bringing it up.

But frankly, if you'll excuse the arrogance, I think we can lynch scum without setup speculation here. Not that I haven't been saying this for, again, three and a half game Days.

[Yosarian2]

I am also starting to have doubts about the existence of a SK; there are just too many missing kills, especially with the doc dead. Perhaps the mafia just had an extra one-shot kill or something?

I've certainly given that idea thought, though I wouldn't expect you to be the one bringing it up.

But frankly, if you'll excuse the arrogance, I think we can lynch scum without setup speculation here. Not that I haven't been saying this for, again, three and a half game Days.

The reason for the setup speculation here is actually about you, since if:
A: a kill was prevented night 1 were saved day 1 by a doc protecting you, and
B: there is no SK, then
C: that would make you town

A is the weakest part of the logic here, since there are apparently quite a few other mechanisms that can stop a kill here (we've seen a roleblocker, a bulletproof, a doctor, and now you're claiming a role that can apparently self-protect in some situations), but still.

[springlullaby]

Day 4 votecount 1

(0) Zar:

(0) shos:

(0) Yosarian2:

(0) Magua:

(0) charter:

(1) Nuwen :

Vi,

(1) Vi:

Nuwen,

(5) Not voting :

Zar, charter ,shos, Magua, Yosarian2,

With 7 players, 4 votes are required to lynch.

Deadline reminder: the deadline is set to

Friday June the 22th.

Countdown:

(expired on 2012-06-22 12:00:00)

[shos]

I want to see Nuwen's reaction to this.

I have to say that I *do* understand what nuwens point was, but Vi's gotten it nicely. What is your post restriction, btw?
I don't think that that mysterious power is related to me this time.

[Zar]

I receieved yet another vision. This time, a repeat of yesterday's message.

I go into the same room I went yesterday and I like the ambience, but there seems to be a fine layer of dust covering the furniture. My thoughts wantder as I sit in the chair next to the big desk and the same three visions arise.

A blinding light that can't be stopped changing fate.
An ancient voice lacking vice or virtue
An entity with unquantifiable energy, deep and slow that can enter minds

And the visions end suddenly.

[Vi]

The reason for the setup speculation here is actually about you, since if:
A: a kill was prevented night 1 were saved day 1 by a doc protecting you, and
B: there is no SK, then
C: that would make you town

A is the weakest part of the logic here, since there are apparently quite a few other mechanisms that can stop a kill here (we've seen a roleblocker, a bulletproof, a doctor, and now you're claiming a role that can apparently self-protect in some situations), but still.

I agree with this all the way down. However, consider that Nuwen was kind enough to claim that she shot me N1. (no, this isn't a tunnel; this is me

reading her posts

in some kind of novel form of scumhunting) I don't know what to make of this pattern of kills any more, but tbh, that's okay. As long as we lynch scum Today - and that's more than possible - there's still a chance for whatever backstage craziness is out there to unravel.

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What is your post restriction, btw?

Oh I don't actually HAVE a post restriction but I just generally ramble about my insatiable craving for DUCK cooked in honey and garlic in casual conversation. [/sarcasm]

Srsly, I'm wandering this cruel world without a STOMACH. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE. (MAYBE. BECAUSE YOU'RE A ROCK.) I'm going to be stuck bemoaning my cruel foodless fate until the end of the game. The duck, cooked, honey, and garlic are all required words and lamentation is a required action. This is NOT Paranoia; happiness is

treason

.

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It occurs to me that Nuwen hasn't actually claimed anything except a role name, and doesn't seem to be making any plans to change that. Why Is That. I would actually advocate her claiming before Magua.