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[TeChNoWC]

Yes, Llama's plan does seem a bit fishy and might have been a scum freakout redirection plan. Also seems sus he said he had thought of no lynch but didn't want to mention it.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions though yet. It is making me think though that if Llama is scum, Thomith must be town. Not sure why a scummy would try and get his scumfriend killed like that when I don't think it would give scum-Llama towny points.

[TeChNoWC]

Venmar, I really don't want to lynch andrew today. Please unvote.

[TeChNoWC]

@BK: hoping you see the irony in the event that I was scum, given what happened in 1332

[BK201]

@BK: hoping you see the irony in the event that I was scum, given what happened in 1332

Lol that thought did cross my mind xD

[Venmar]

I ISO'd myself and here are some of the posts i addressed Andrew:

#167
#286
#357
#411

Would like to note:

- Andrew seemed to want to encourage or start an alliance, and suggests Kassadin and Nacho to be a part of it. Don't see why he would choose these two people, Kassadin is useless so there is no point in keeping him in an alliance because he is not going to contribute. Nacho also is a odd choice, but i can see why as Nacho has been a fairly "solid" town read for me. However with all the town players dying, i am kind of rethinking my read on Nacho.
- Some or most of Andrews previous case on me was because of how i represented by RQS. Also note how Andrew kept his vote on me for practically the whole day of Day 1. Anyone else find that very edgy or suspicious?

I will unvote, but i can see our opinions vary Techno because in your eyes, Andrew is the strongest town read while in my eyes he is one of the strongest scum reads.

Unvote

[TeChNoWC]

Today's wagon should be motivated by us, no one else. I'm not saying you and I have better reads than any of the unconf town, just that our reads can be trusted and you and I need to work harder than everyone else today to try and get an accurate read on a scummy. Leaving it up to the other guys will likely lead to another scum-motivated wagon and a mislynch. I'm personally not happy to lynch anyone unless you also find the person scummy, simply because I can trust that you are genuine and have thought it through. I would hope you feel the same.

I'll check those posts now. I also didn't realise andrew was the one who requested an alliance, I thought it was Llama. Kass seems a bad choice for sure, but I'll need to look over his reasoning.

Don't let anyone persuade you or even I (let me know if I'm getting carried away on a read) into a quicklynch today. If we aren't no lynching we need to try and use as much time as we can. Unfortunately 7 others still equals a majority, but at least we can be trusted to vote carefully. Today is a VERY important day if we are to go through with a lynch. Tommorrow night is much more risky and if we mislynch today, shit could happen tommorrow night. I really want to hit scum today or no lynch, mislynch is not an option (positive thinking )

Note that Nacho and DCL also wanted the Thomith plan.

[Venmar]

Yes Techno, don't worry i love you.

I will ISO Nacho shortly, my gut is stirring as i look at him.

[BK201]

I'll be listening from the shadows.

[Venmar]

Note how Andrew and Nacho came to the party late, maybe they were talking in scum thread pre-game?

[TeChNoWC]

Yes Techno, don't worry i love you.

I will ISO Nacho shortly, my gut is stirring as i look at him.

love back at ya, towny buddy

Nacho was my strongest gutread during nightphase, but I just ISOd him and my gut has gone from him being scum to null. Not sure what to think of him atm.

I read through all of andrew's posts as well, and I can see your point to some degree (he tunnelled you a lot and blamed you for doing the same), but I'm still getting a pretty strong townvibe from him. I don't feel his read on me is buddying. I feel his read on you was genuine, as was mine. Misinformed, but genuine.

[Venmar]

Ughh, i am bad at getting reads from ISO's.

Going to wait for others to get their butts in here, i want some more opinions down.

[TeChNoWC]

I also need to get some sleep. Will try and jump on tomorrow.

[LlamaFluff]

I like how scum dont kill the most likely PR.

BK is done hiding since at worst 30% of the game is clear so there are three forced kills, im thinking more likely half the game at this point. If there is any type of guilty it should be claimed and then we can break the game. Im thinking if both results are not in the cleared players we can come close to breaking the game either way

[Venmar]

I like how scum dont kill the most likely PR.

BK is done hiding since at worst 30% of the game is clear so there are three forced kills, im thinking more likely half the game at this point. If there is any type of guilty it should be claimed and then we can break the game. Im thinking if both results are not in the cleared players we can come close to breaking the game either way

This chance and percentage stuff is nice and all, but we need to start figuring out who is scum from this small group and who is not scum. We still got to find out who is scum the only people i trust right now are BK and Techno. I suspect everyone, included you Llama. That said, whoever is the psychologist, i suggest you do not claim yet, and don't be pressured into doing so by a single individual. While Llama has a point about the results the psychologist might have gotten, it all depends on those investigations and for now i would hold on to them until there is a consensus.

@LlamaFluff

- With Techno now confirmed town, and me and BK as confirmed, who do you think is the likeliest scum? You are quick on the trigger to direct the psychologist without revealing who you think is scummiest.

- Also, what did you mean by saying " I like how scum dont kill the most likely PR ". Are you saying you know who is PR and who is not, and are you saying Rast's play was bad? Some clarification for me please.

[andrew94]

I dont know what to say to Venmar, he seems to have confirmation bias.

he states that me and nacho were late to the party.
That must mean that we were discussing in the scum qt?
wtf??? that doesnt make sense at all.


also, i didnt start the alliance at all. please reread.

argula first asked me to comment on the alliance, i then said
the only players i liked were nacho and kassadin (and bk)

My cases towards you are true. you were damn scummy.
You like to attack back insteading of defending yourself(you
say 'how is that scummy etc' during
day1, and after you became confirmed town, you just stopped
defending yourself and only starting attacking me.

@llama why do you say stuff like this?


p.s. i was about worried about tech because in previous games, some
scum buddied up to me a bit and defended me so its good tech's clear/.

[LlamaFluff]

I would say Jackal is the best bet right now for scum.

Also the "most likely PR" thing was there is someone I think crumbed so hard that if they are not a PR they are going to be scum. Its just one of those things where I just dont know why that kill happened because I though rasp was pretty likely just VT/mafia and there was one really safe PR bet.

[Venmar]

I'm not even going to address Andrew anymore.

[DCLXVI]

I really, really do not like this last post by llama,

if you see that there is a pr breadcrumbing, why are you going to say that??? All that does is give scum someone to look for.


Anyway, correct me if I am wrong about this but given how things have gone this is wear we are at:

Confirmed town:

Bk
Venmar
Techno

Unconfirmed:

DCLXVI
Llamafluff
Nacho
Thomith
Kass
Jackal
andrew

The players that are the scummiest right now are still Thomith and Andrew.

[Jackal711]

My money right now is on Thomith/Kass scumteam.

Thomith has been a slight scumread all game..

Kassadin has been useless, posted very little.

As annoying as he is, Andrew reads town to me.

[LlamaFluff]

As annoying as he is, Andrew reads town to me.

Since when?

[Jackal711]

As annoying as he is, Andrew reads town to me.

Since when?

Since I've stated multiple times..

Post #468:

Despite how annoying he's been all game, andrew is a town read for me.

Post #621:

Sure.
VOTE: Andrew
Even if he winds up being town I'm comfortable with his lynch.

Post #632:

@Techno: Andrew at this point would be a PL for me. As I've stated I believe he's town, but useless. As of the post where I said so at the end of day 1 I am ignoring anything he posts.

[LlamaFluff]

Yeah that 621... doesnt seem like thinking someone is town. I could maybe buy null but thats really it. Maybe I just cant see town ever thinking that they are happy lynching someone they think is town outside of a forced win situation.

[Jackal711]

Eh, whatever. Think what you will. After what happened in [redacted] I stopped caring about any of my ongoing games.

Please don't bring up ongoing games

[TeChNoWC]

@Llama: you shouldnt be talking about about crumbs and what not.

Why do you think Jackal is scum? Have you checked his meta to see if he plays like this as town, generally? Just because he wants PLs doesnt make him scum. Too blatant.

[TeChNoWC]

@DCL: If you don't like Llama's post, why is he not on your scumdar?