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[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: kassadin

he is scum and he needs to die..like..now..

I promise I have a good reason for this. It will be up tomorrow afternoon.

Ho Ho No.

[TeChNoWC]

Kass is rapidly becoming a good lynch too. Just saying.

How so?

Gut has pulled me back to Thomith-town and that basically makes Kass scum instead of middling read based off how votes all worked out.

Plus this isnt quite what I remember Kass-town being like, they werent a good player at all but were a little less lurkey and you at least knew about where they stood on most things throughout the game. Granted that game was a little tainted by Slandaar proving why he is a good policy lynch throughout, but it still feels different.

Votes point to Nacho-scum for than anyone.

[TeChNoWC]

*more than anyone

[Thomith]

DCL has just jumped on the kass policy lynch which has caught scum before, right now he is unclear so wouldn't it make sense for him to jump on an easy lynch like kass?
Right now because of this i think DCL is scum, the situation is just too convenient and sudden imo for it to be genuine
VOTE: DCL
kass might be scum, but most likely not with DCL unless they are hyper bussing or something like that, which i doubt.
DCL why has kass suddenly become scum?

[Venmar]

Nacho is obviously scum. Scummates are defending him.

Obviousorz. Calling Thomith - LlamaFluff - Nachommama scum team.

[TeChNoWC]

DCL has just jumped on the kass policy lynch which has caught scum before, right now he is unclear so wouldn't it make sense for him to jump on an easy lynch like kass?
Right now because of this i think DCL is scum, the situation is just too convenient and sudden imo for it to be genuine
VOTE: DCL
kass might be scum, but most likely not with DCL unless they are hyper bussing or something like that, which i doubt.
DCL why has kass suddenly become scum?

?

DCL said he will provide reasoning soon. I am waiting to hear his reasoning.

Thomith, you didn't answer Llama's question.

Also, what do you think of Nacho?

[Chimera]

Votecount 3.6

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Nachomamma8 (4) -- Venmar, drmyshotgun, TeCHNoWC, BK201

(L-2!)

DLCXVI (2) -- andrew94, Thomith
Kassadin (1) -- DLCXVI

Not voting -- Nachomamma8, LlamaFluff, Kassadin

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-01 11:17:00)

[Venmar]

everyone that i know is town which are

venmar
Tech
LLama
BK
and myself

- Who do you think is the scummiest right now?

[TeChNoWC]

Nice lurking, Thomith.

I saw you in the thread bro.

Respond to my points please, or am I to assume you are defending your scumbuddy in your silence, who defended you D1 by not jumping on your wagon?

[TeChNoWC]

If Nacho was town, this wagon would be a lot bigger right now.

If Nacho flips town someone shoot me, but this guy has to be scum.

[Venmar]

If Nacho was town, this wagon would be a lot bigger right now.

If Nacho flips town someone shoot me, but this guy has to be scum.

- Scum are protecting him, obviously. If Nacho flips scum, we go for either LlamaFluff or Thomith next.

[LlamaFluff]

If Nacho was town, this wagon would be a lot bigger right now.

If Nacho flips town someone shoot me, but this guy has to be scum.

Nacho is looking worse, but I want to see what he has to say at this point since he is a good town player and I know has not had much/any access for the last week.

Your wagon analysis of "its stalling" is a little weakened by the fact that there is no active counterwagon. Thats whats giving me some warning flags at this point. Usually if scum are trying to stop a wagon on a partner they have to have some form of a viable alternative or town will just apathy stay on scum.

He is a better lynch than a few of the uncleared players, but I would rather kill Kass at this point.

Vote Kass

he says... knowingly creating a counter wagon...

[TeChNoWC]

Exactly. Kass seems to be the counterwagon, that or DCL.

I would like to hear from Nacho before all this goes through. I sense apathy from him that isn't simply scum apathy, just apathy.

I also am ABSOLUTELY un-willing to lynch him without a claim.

Realistically I wanted to wait before jumping on the Nacho wagon to see how people would react to conftown all saying they want to lynch Nacho. So far no one except for you and drmy have said anything about him, that I can remember. It just seems to me that everyone else is scurrying around trying to CREATE counterwagons without vocally defending Nacho.

This needs to happen soon though. I can see it taking a long time before Nacho responds, and possibly a long time thereafter before we know if anyone will counter, if he claims a PR. I would actually like Nacho to claim in his next post, but I am also keen to see who is willing to put him on L-1.

[Venmar]

He is a better lynch than a few of the uncleared players, but I would rather kill Kass at this point.

Vote Kass

- So you think Nacho is a better lynch than a few of the uncleared players ( one of which is Kassadin ), but in the very same sentence you say that you would rather kill Kassadin? Clearly you just said that Nacho is a better lynch, so why go for Kassadin and pretty much say "Nevermind, Kassadin is the better lynch ", rather than your previous point of Nacho being the better lynch?

- LlamaFluff, how will a Kassadin lynch benefit town in any way? Even if he does flip scum, what information do we get? We will be shooting in the dark once more next day phase and either me or Thomith will be dead because the confirmed townies in this game are going to damage the scums chances of survival.

[TeChNoWC]

Venmar's right. A Kassadin flip does little for us. If he is scum, let him be the last scum. Unless you are absolute 100% certain that Kass is scum, he's a much worse gamble.

[Venmar]

You can't read Kassadin, so you can never be 100% sure.

[LlamaFluff]

- So you think Nacho is a better lynch than a few of the uncleared players ( one of which is Kassadin ), but in the very same sentence you say that you would rather kill Kassadin? Clearly you just said that Nacho is a better lynch, so why go for Kassadin and pretty much say "Nevermind, Kassadin is the better lynch ", rather than your previous point of Nacho being the better lynch?

Nacho is a better lynch than a few of the uncleared means what it looks like. There are a couple of uncleareds that I think are more likely town then nacho at this point, so I would vote Nacho first. Obviously Kass is not one of these.

LlamaFluff, how will a Kassadin lynch benefit town in any way? Even if he does flip scum, what information do we get? We will be shooting in the dark once more next day phase and either me or Thomith will be dead because the confirmed townies in this game are going to damage the scums chances of survival.

Ewww...

Kass-scum can probably start putting some things together for us and at least suggesting that some (Thomith and DCL) are somewhat likely town. Either way we need Kass dead if he is scum to win, and to unlock the true power of the Psych role.

[BK201]

Nacho-scum >>> Kass-scum in regards to information. Unless you think Nacho is not scummy then your vote belongs here, Kass lynch isn't happening today.

[TeChNoWC]

Something I found that I forgot to bring up earlier, and it totally slipped my mind.

Thomith earlier said that he felt certain there was scum out of BK/Venmar/Llama. When BK claimed hider, he corrected himself and said then either Venmar or Llama were scum. There has been no follow up on this theory since Venmar became conftown.

[TeChNoWC]

Also, if memory serves correct it was because you three were pushing for a Kass lynch early on. Now Thomith is accusing DCL of being scum for pushing for a Kass lynch, yet says nothing about Llama doing it.

[Venmar]

Damn. LlamaFluff, Thomith, Nacho team is sounding really nice so far right now Techno.

Nice job Techno.

[TeChNoWC]

Yeah. Only problem is I am failing to see how scum-Llama would benefit from telling everyone to get BK to hide behind scum-Thomith. Idk, maybe there is some benefit I'm not seeing. Or maybe we are totally wrong. Also something else telling me Llama might be town but I am not willing to say why. I'll take that one with me to the grave, and reveal it when the game ends. I have my reasons.

Either way, I'll leave that up to tommorrow's discussion based on what Nacho claims/flips etc.

[LlamaFluff]

Except that I should be obviously town for the nightkill not being one of Venmar/Obv PR... I mean, rasp? really?... that kill almost makes me think not nacho because im not too sure he would have bit on that either.

Kass.. thomith... andrew... those I could all easily see thinking that it was a definite PR claim. I even forgot rasp had claimed PR for a little bit and thought it was a blind "hit BKs target" shot.

[TeChNoWC]

Nacho told rasp not to claim at the time, when I asked rasp to. He took it very seriously.

[BK201]

Rasb's heavy soft-claim was convincing b/c it would have been a poor town move if he really was a PR, which no offense but isn't unbelievable considering he's the guy who voted Venmar after I cleared him. Brought it up twice and Rasb never even responded.