Open 417: Chosen Mafia - Heaven and Hell - Game Over!

[Thor665]

srsly you dont your eye on anyone else?

I have stated 1 scum read.
I have stated 3 town reads.
I have provided 4 clearly stated reads.

Please list for me ever other player who has provided more reads than I have in this game. (hint - no one else has)

[Arugula]

@Thor
In that case, kcdaspot wouldn't be the chosen because there would be no reason to draw that conclusion.

@Near
Pretend that I didn't make that case on Thor. What do you have that is better?

[Kcdaspot]

there are 2 scum.

sooner or later you gotta have other people on your lynch list. AND NO IM NOT FORCING YOU TO GO ON WAGON ANALYISIS. just by the thread so far from what you read.

the second you dont have them and i flip town or chosen you're in a big hole.

what about arugala/psyche/or tech?

[Kcdaspot]

hell near has posted lots

dicknose needs reading and

WHERE THE FUCK IS SHATTERED VIEWPOINT

[Kcdaspot]

dicknose needs to out his reads

[Kcdaspot]

Scum team found: Arugula kcdaspot

Vote Arugula

Thor665 Arugula scum team

near is all over the place.

8 posts? and i'm not in the scumteam?

hmmmmmmm

[Arugula]

He is all over the place.

I still want the answer to my question from him.

[Kcdaspot]

i havent said anything about giitah cuz not much to say.

post moar please thankyou

[Near]

The fact that Thor was on L-2 wagon twice is such a fallible and weak argument that I would think almost anything is better. We are still early in the day and I agree there isn't much to go on. But, the point is: random votes, hypothetical questions, pokings to see reactions may all display a conclusion that someone is a scum. BUT the differences are: random vote is not to be taken seriously and pokings and hypothetical questions are there to incite responses. Your framed your conclusion to be based on factual premises - as if they were actually of substance

[Near]

Whoever said silliness of the argument is less important the motivation, I completely agree. This definitely applies. Motivation to lynch is reflected in forced argument.

[Thor665]

@Thor
In that case, kcdaspot wouldn't be the chosen because there would be no reason to draw that conclusion.

So I was just really lucky that town ran both of the Chosen up to almost lynch situations so I could vote each of them. Why not just call me 'opportunistic scum' why does it have to make you and Kcdaspot Chosen? Why not just town I'm trying to mislynch?

sooner or later you gotta have other people on your lynch list. AND NO IM NOT FORCING YOU TO GO ON WAGON ANALYISIS. just by the thread so far from what you read.

You asked me for my reads if you were lynched and flipped town. I call that wagon analysis - you can call it rhubarb roulette if you wish - but you need to give me info on who voted who and why if you expect any real reads off the revelation of that flip. Otherwise just ask the question as "Mod confirms me as town, who would you vote next?" because then I could probably answer it.

The answer would be - whoever has the largest wagon at that point if they aren't one of my stated town reads.

the second you dont have them and i flip town or chosen you're in a big hole.{/quote]

what about arugala/psyche/or tech?

I've called Tech town.
the other two I've called derpy and useless respectively - I see them as fine lynches but have a strong preference for you.
Wow, almost as though if you read what I've said you could have answered that yourself.

Oh, right, scum trying to slap defend.
Never mind.

@Near - I'll presume the defense of me and avoidance of response means that you realize I'm obvious town. The apology is accepted.

[Arugula]

So you don't have anything better to go on.

And if I don't take RVS votes into consideration, what's the point of even having RVS?

@Thor
I would think that scum would go after Chosen townies instead of regular ones.

[Near]

You are just not on the top of my list anymore.

[Near]

Last response was directed to Thor.

[Thor665]

@Thor
I would think that scum would go after Chosen townies instead of regular ones.

I understand that.

But, even if I'm super scum - I didn't magically create those two wagons so...why did the first two wagons that get big so I could vote for them both happen to be on the two Chosen?
That's the question.

[Arugula]

They might not be, and I know my logic is flawed, but I don't have anything else better to go on right now.

Although Near is looking worse and worse.

[Near]

So you don't have anything better to go on.

I do, which is why I am voting you.

kcdaspot and you claiming chosen townies just because you were at L-2 during RVS vote, when really there was no substantial pressure, makes you scum.
your forced argument of thor makes you scummy.
gitah's obvious pro-town pretentious posts makes him scummy

[Near]

They might not be, and I know my logic is flawed, but I don't have anything else better to go on right now.

Although Near is looking worse and worse.

Doesn't matter, because I think you are scum.

[Near]

@Thor
I would think that scum would go after Chosen townies instead of regular ones.

I understand that.

But, even if I'm super scum - I didn't magically create those two wagons so...why did the first two wagons that get big so I could vote for them both happen to be on the two Chosen?
That's the question.

You realize that it only requires grand total of

2 votes

for you to hop on the bandwagon to make it L-2.

[Near]

Arugula:
Cites being L-2 (which translates total of 3 votes) as evidence for both 1) Thor is a scum getting on his bandwagon 2) he himself is a chosen one.
He does admit that his reasoning flawed, but this must be scum's trying to take back what was obviously a forced argument to establish his town-ness.

And in response to:

near is all over the place.

8 posts? and i'm not in the scumteam?

hmmmmmmm

Yes, I change my mind again. Arugula's likely partner = kcdaspot.

If Arugula is not a scum, then Gitah's pretentious protown comment on his threat against anyone who will quick lynch makes him scummy:

Idiot who quickhammers is hammered into the floor tomorrow, names and pleas regardless;

Kcdaspot is L-1

His likely partner = Thor665, who dismisses Gitah from being scum just because of this?:

Giitah had a very stream of consciousness post, unless we presume it was a double blind fakeout what we're seeing is an open expression of suspecting someone and then changing of his mind. Scum would, on average, tend to try to tidy things up as it where. Make the vote on Kcad seem more direct and "honest" feeling. The sloppy method of it while being willing to show the slim thoughts behind it screams honesty to me, and that says obv. town.

[Thor665]

They might not be, and I know my logic is flawed, but I don't have anything else better to go on right now.

If the logic is flawed, what are you getting out of voting me and admitting it's a flawed (read that - derp) case?

You realize that it only requires grand total of

2 votes

for you to hop on the bandwagon to make it L-2.

Yes.
It took 3 to allow me to make one of the wagons L-1.
The point stands though. It would require X amount of townies to also decide to ramp up 2 players in a row that were both Chosen.
I accept my actions could look like opportunistic scum, I'm trying to figure out why he brought Chosen into it which is an even further theoretical reach with far less grounding. You're *not* interested in his reactions to these questions?

New derp theoretical and totally unfounded scumteam in the Near style.
Near/Arugula.

@Near - link to some recent town games of yours?

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: near

[Kcdaspot]

SHOCK AND AWE

[Arugula]

So you don't have anything better to go on.

I do, which is why I am voting you.

My point was that there was nothing better to go on when I made my vote. So how can you blame me for making the best logical vote at the time?

@Thor
I'm not saying GUYS THOR IS SCUM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM.

I just found it odd and since there was nothing better to go on, I placed my vote.

Now, Near has changed his mind like fifty times and is being stubborn by refusing comments and questions I direct towards him.

UNVOTE: Thor
VOTE: Near

[Giitah]

@Near
Call that post pretentious all you like, you have someone like kcdaspot acting derp and you think the extra bit is unnecessary?

@Thor
Who are your three town reads? Myself, Techno and...

@kc
reasoning pl0x

@Dicknose, Techno, Shattered Viewpoint
you three need to get out and play in the mud with us; I'd like some thoughts from Techno and Dicknose, and I'd like some activity at the very least from Shattered

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Arugula reeks of scum to me. His choice of words in post 77 is interesting -- how'd he mix up 'chosen' with 'confirmed'? Insinuating he's chosen is fine -- just retarded -- but the fact that he slipped in 'confirmed' instead points to a motive: he was trying to clear himself. Post 90 and post 92 right after it look like they're both just trying to justify himself. This in particular looks like it's been rehashed over and over again:

I don't know that kcdaspot and I are the chosen townies, but Thor jumped on both of our wagons and if he is scum, it is pretty likely.

I think if he was town, he'd already have gone back and realized that his line of reasoning was dumb. Scum would be more inclined to hang on and just sweat, since they're used to being attacked; town, however, would be inclined to review their logic if they had already realized that kc and himself weren't necessarily the chosen townies and nothing justified that believing they were.
Reading the rest of his ISO, he hasn't done much else since despite posting a lot, only defending himself, aside from attacking Near with horrible justifications. So with that, VOTE: Arugula