Mini 1355 - SPACE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[AngryPidgeon]

Bitmap's posts are bad, I know. but it seems Angry completely ignored that fact.

What did I ignore exactly? I've been talking all about Bitmap's posts and how scummy they are.

[Bitmap]

Bitmap's posts are bad, I know. but it seems Angry completely ignored that fact.

What did I ignore exactly? I've been talking all about Bitmap's posts and how scummy they are.

You've been tunneling me. A lot.

[Bitmap]

A lot.

[AngryPidgeon]

After rereading I firstly

UNVOTE Bitmap

. This is not because I do not think bitmap is scum; but more of hesitation - someone mentioned the fact that he only joined a few days ago, and that makes a big thing to ignore. we still have time for this day so no rush in lynching him.

What? I think Aru, Rofl, and I are the only ones voting him. He isn't that close to a lynch. Why the sudden unvote despite him clearly still being your top target?

for that I want to ask, Bitmap: How experienced in mafia are you? have you played on other sites ebfore? other places? etc?
also, since your posts really are bad, I want to pressure this: what was that thing with the flavor? how comes you all of a sudden made 2-3 posts with that, and then once again all of a sudden, stopped? inconsistency is a bad trait in my eyes.

Ok, Bitmap has answered this before so why ask it again? Do you find his posts scummy or just bad? I really don't like this. You are saying Bitmap is scummy above this part. Then you are somewhat backpedaling and subtly suggesting that Bitmap only sounds suspicious because he is new. Fence harder.

Hiraki is scum.

trust me on this. last game we played is not over yet - but we're both dead there - he played completely different imo. perhaps this will change,

it's not enough for a vote yet.

Why is your first statement loaded with so much certainty and then you quickly backpedal and say its really just a gut feel?? Holy mother of scum, this post is scummy.

roflcopter is actively lurking, fencesitting, whateveryouwannacallit. ISO him, that just looks bad.

Lurking: arguably.
Fencesitting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

UNVOTE: Bitmap, sadly.
VOTE: Shos for:

Calling Bitmap scum, unvoting him, and then fencing about him.
Calling Hiraki scum and then backpedaling and fence sitting.
Accusing Roflcopter of fence-sitting.

P-edit: I know, but what is Shos saying I ignored?

[CooLDoG]

vote: Arugula

You said people would be insane to hammer, yet you also say that the pressure of a hammer being close would generate the pressure that you needed to get reactions. Enjoy.

Yeah, and? How does that make me scum? No one would hammer at that point, unless they are dumb, but L-1

still

freaks people out, just because it's called L-1. There is always a chance one person can just hammer, even if it would be dumb to do so.

But you made a bad trap and used poor reasoning to hop on my wagon.

The fact is, by your own admission (of no one hammering), you weren't putting bit to l-1 in order to gain info. That ain't town. Also, one could say testing the waters and all of that, but this is the sticking point for me.

how is calling for a lynch active lurking or fence sitting?

One could argue that that is all you are doing. You aren't really adding anything to the game accept for, "ohh, I got a live one here guys, lynch WITH FIRE" That doesn't generate info, it doesn't really help the town. I can see where people are coming from. HOwever, I personally need more. Ahhg I hate all ways saying that. But it's true.

i have meta of Hiraki that suggests otherwise

Really now, so we are going on a meta lynch. What is your sample size?

my brain is my source

Yup, what I thought.

Angry has some good points I must admit. Shos does seem to be trying to go with the flow. Not sure though, not sure. I think we still need to give him a chance off of v/la. Keep in mind over long periods of time without posting your views can change from post to post simply because a lot happens in between postings.

Any way, happy with my current vote.

[AngryPidgeon]

Angry has some good points I must admit. Shos does seem to be trying to go with the flow. Not sure though, not sure. I think we still need to give him a chance off of v/la. Keep in mind over long periods of time without posting your views can change from post to post simply because a lot happens in between postings.

He was backpedaling so hard in just one post though. Its not like new information came into the game.

[inte]

Do you think you're cool for that post?

[Bitmap]

Do you think you're cool for that post?

Yes. Got beef, son?

[wierdalexv]

@CooLDoG
We put people at L-1 to get them closer to being lynched. L-1 isn't different from any other vote, except only one more vote is needed to hammer. People freak out and tend to reveal themselves more when they are at L-1. Bitmap didn't really take it into account, so it didn't accomplish what I hoped it would: strengthening my scumread on her or changing it to a town/null read.

I'm not actually sure what you're saying here. Did you vote Bitmap for a reaction? Because the first line doesn't make much sense then, especially when you said that a hammer would have been idiotic.

@Bitmap: Why would you hammer if you're that hesitant on Arugula's alignment? We got some time left, I'm not sure why you're in such a hurry to get him lynched.

@CooLDog, most of the time meta sucks, but the tone of a post can mean a lot.\

Also, why do I feel like we're playing a newbie game with CooLDog as the IC?

[Arugula]

Weird, please respond to my reply of your post. You also didn't comment on me calling you scum.

Cooldog, how is putting someone at L-1 to gain info scummy? Unless you think I am talking about a claim, which I'm not. I'm saying that people are easier to read at L-1. What scum motivation do I have to put someone at L-1, who I already know the alignment of, to get reads AND make it easier for the town to read that player?

[Bitmap]

@Bitmap: Why would you hammer if you're that hesitant on Arugula's alignment? We got some time left, I'm not sure why you're in such a hurry to get him lynched.

I said I wouldn't mind hammering if I had to.

[AngryPidgeon]

I said I wouldn't mind hammering if I had to.

If you had to? You don't _have_ to hammer anyone.

[Bitmap]

Weird, please respond to my reply of your post. You also didn't comment on me calling you scum.

Cooldog, how is putting someone at L-1 to gain info scummy? Unless you think I am talking about a claim, which I'm not. I'm saying that people are easier to read at L-1. What scum motivation do I have to put someone at L-1, who I already know the alignment of, to get reads AND make it easier for the town to read that player?

@CooLDoG
We put people at L-1 to get them closer to being lynched. L-1 isn't different from any other vote, except only one more vote is needed to hammer. People freak out and tend to reveal themselves more when they are at L-1.

Bitmap didn't really take it into account

, so it didn't accomplish what I hoped it would: strengthening my scumread on her or changing it to a town/null read.

If I didn't respond with much emotion, wouldn't that make me town because of how I don't have to worry as much to be lynched on day 1?

[shos]

Bitmap's posts are bad, I know. but it seems Angry completely ignored that fact.

What did I ignore exactly? I've been talking all about Bitmap's posts and how scummy they are.

Ignoring the fact that Bitmap joined two weeks ago, lol, not the fact that his posts are bad. I'm supporting this one, you know.


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about angry's post about me: I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.
I really haven't 'backpedalled' at all. all I did is unvote, which really is not such an amazingly incredible scummy thing to do. it is called HESITATION. Bitmap's posts are bad and scummy at places, yes, I support that claim. but considering the fact he is a newb, all that just might be newb mistakes, instead of scumtells.
about the fact he has already answered this - well mesorriez for not remembering every single thing in the game; I *did* fly home from abroad only yesterday, and the part of the game ebfore that doesn't sit perfectly in my mind. I'll be glad if you could link me to that answer btw.
about that first post of yours, are you fucking kidding me? if I said 'based on meta, hiraki is scum, vote hiraki', do you think that would convince any townie.? meta alone is not enough, nearly ever.

it seems you really are too eager to get a lynch here. does that lone post seem SO scummy in your eyes, enough to release bitmap's load of posts? you're either badly scumhunting, or pretending to be.

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@bitmap's 262: horrible, horrible WIFOM.

[wierdalexv]

@wierd
You didn't mention me at all in your catch-up post besides the little bit at the bottom.

I multi-quoted about a billion posts, and when I was done, I ISO'd you. I noticed that L-1 vote for ABSOLUTELY NO REASONS STATED and realized I hadn't mentioned it. I was too lazy to go back and put it in all the quotes with pretty much the same things about tone, so I wrote about it at the bottom.

I'm not active lurking, (but you admitted to doing it) and you vigged me last game, so why would a change of tone (which is ridiculous as an excuse for a vote, by the way) incriminate me?

You are. And you were town last game, so what does my vigging you have to do with anything?

And again, how was my vote terrible compared to the rest? Just because mine was L-1? As I said before, a hammer would basically be suicide, and L-1 is when people are easiest to read. I still think Bitmap is scum.

See my last post.

@Bitmap: Why would you hammer if you're that hesitant on Arugula's alignment? We got some time left, I'm not sure why you're in such a hurry to get him lynched.

I said I wouldn't mind hammering if I had to.

What makes you think you'd have to hammer?

[CooLDoG]

@CooLDog, most of the time meta sucks, but the tone of a post can mean a lot.\

Also, why do I feel like we're playing a newbie game with CooLDog as the IC?

Naturally you are correct about the meta thing.

Also, I know right. So weird. I was/am trying a new play style here. As you probably don't know I am still trying to improve my game because I still suck. I should probably tone it down a notch...

Weird, please respond to my reply of your post. You also didn't comment on me calling you scum.

Cooldog, how is putting someone at L-1 to gain info scummy? Unless you think I am talking about a claim, which I'm not. I'm saying that people are easier to read at L-1. What scum motivation do I have to put someone at L-1, who I already know the alignment of, to get reads AND make it easier for the town to read that player?

It is scummy because you basically said that you can't. Let's follow the logic:

1, you but bit to l-1 to gain information.
2, you say that people would be insane to hammer.
3, you say that the way you get people's reactions at l-1 is because of the threat to hammer, and lynch!!!

2 negates 3, which defeats the reason why you put bit at l-1. I refuse to think that you are stupid, so you must have had another reason. Thus, my vote. Hope that is clear.

If I didn't respond with much emotion, wouldn't that make me town because of how I don't have to worry as much to be lynched on day 1?

Yes and no. It's sorta weird because both town and scum in the position should theoretically have the same motivation, staying alive. However, it is what scum and town say to achieve that that makes them scum or town. You didn't really give us anything to go on. So it still very hard to tell what's going on in your head, thus my null read. Also, you are realativly new. Noobs can say some pretty stupid shit. Like in my first game... Don't ask.

it seems you really are too eager to get a lynch here

That's why I voted him in the first place. I still have a slight scum read on him.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, in post 210 what are you referring to? Weirdalex is scum because past meta and Arugula is….what?

His first post? And that's not all why Weirdalex is scum.

Arugula is null.

[CooLDoG]

Please explain your reads better hiraki.

[BBmolla]

help im a bug has been prodded.

[roflcopter]

bitmap is this your first game on mafiascum.net?

[CooLDoG]

hay, copter, mind generating some real content?

[shos]

bitmap is this your first game on mafiascum.net?

perfect example for what I was saying there. go here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

no finished games.

[Bitmap]

bitmap is this your first game on mafiascum.net?

And my response:

hay, copter, mind generating some real content?

And seriously guys, It's day fucking 1. Do you seriously expect to nail the mafia on day 1 and 2 consecutively?

[Bitmap]

bitmap is this your first game on mafiascum.net?

perfect example for what I was saying there. go here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

no finished games.

Hey sho, who cares? You don't know my play style or any previous experience from other places I had. Stop meta-ing what a normal newbie does. Meta is horrible and those who follow it religiously end up just lynching the wrong person.

And your accusation about the horrible WIFOM is laughable.

[roflcopter]

cooldog and bitmap are probably scum together