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Post Post #38 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:51 pm

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1. How much experience do you have with mafia?
Uh, three or so completed games, one flaked out, a couple offsite.


2. Favourite role?
Vanilla Townie. I hate being Mafia.


3. Who here have you played with before?
No one, from my knowledge.


4. Favourite setup?


5. Favourite movie?


VOTE: PSYCHE


Competing wagons, ho. Psyche should come out here and comment on the catfight.

Actually,
UNVOTE
VOTE: kcdaspot


Loving the pushy pushy no content posty there.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:59 pm

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Idiot who quickhammers is hammered into the floor tomorrow, names and pleas regardless;
Kcdaspot is L-1
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Post Post #56 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:43 am

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In post 53, Near wrote:For trying to seem even more town after people commenting on his towniness and knowing
kcdaspot is town.


How'd you come to that conclusion? You seem rather certain of that claim.
Why the unvote, btw, Psyche?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:32 am

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Kc, tell me about Psyche. What do you think about his slot now that he's replaced out?

Hey, Arugula, whatever gave you the impression that Psyche was going to replace out?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:59 pm

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In post 77, Arugula wrote:Psyche requested replacement
already?


What do you mean by 'already'?
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Post Post #149 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:24 am

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@Near
Call that post pretentious all you like, you have someone like kcdaspot acting derp and you think the extra bit is unnecessary?

@Thor
Who are your three town reads? Myself, Techno and...

@kc
reasoning pl0x

@Dicknose, Techno, Shattered Viewpoint
you three need to get out and play in the mud with us; I'd like some thoughts from Techno and Dicknose, and I'd like some activity at the very least from Shattered


Arugula reeks of scum to me. His choice of words in post 77 is interesting -- how'd he mix up 'chosen' with 'confirmed'? Insinuating he's chosen is fine -- just retarded -- but the fact that he slipped in 'confirmed' instead points to a motive: he was trying to clear himself. Post 90 and post 92 right after it look like they're both just trying to justify himself. This in particular looks like it's been rehashed over and over again:

I don't know that kcdaspot and I are the chosen townies, but Thor jumped on both of our wagons and if he is scum, it is pretty likely.

I think if he was town, he'd already have gone back and realized that his line of reasoning was dumb. Scum would be more inclined to hang on and just sweat, since they're used to being attacked; town, however, would be inclined to review their logic if they had already realized that kc and himself weren't necessarily the chosen townies and nothing justified that believing they were.
Reading the rest of his ISO, he hasn't done much else since despite posting a lot, only defending himself, aside from attacking Near with horrible justifications. So with that, VOTE: Arugula
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Post Post #150 (isolation #6) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:25 am

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btw, Arugula, a good way to get your question answered (which I could barely find myself) might include reposting the thing and prodding him with links; you reek of trying to get something to attack him with by not doing so.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #7) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm

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In post 153, Arugula wrote:How is saying confirmed instead of chosen scummy?

And bad play does not mean scum.

Near means scum.


Thought process. Saying you're 'confirmed' instead of 'chosen' is a Freudian slip; it shows you wanted people to believe you're confirmed town. And once again you comment without making any content; explain why he's scum pl0z.
Techno, I'd like to hear why you think Near is town, actually.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:51 am

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@Thor
My initial thoughts on him haven't changed -- his opening play was damn scummy and I don't see him surviving past day 2. He hasn't redeemed himself since, either; he'd make a fine sight on the noose for tonight.

@Near
Do you always try to call the scumteam in 9p games, or is this something new? Meta evidence would be nice.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:41 pm

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Hi Hyperion, it'll be a pleasure to play with you again.

In post 159, Thor665 wrote:^^ (now with a new post you need to skip past Arugula back to Giitah) I functionally already did this, but would like to point out another example of legit scumhunting from Giitah that makes my read on him correct.

I'm going to make a Thor/Tech/Near/Giitah town coallition of win and eat the scum team this game.


Uh, Thor, so if you checked up on Near, then do you have some meta experience with whether or not he always tries to do that?
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Post Post #166 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:14 pm

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I functionally already did this

By that, I assume you mean that you had already asked


kay, I ISO'd and ctrl+f and lo behold, yeah, you already asked Near for some recent town games. That's what you were referring to by this, I assume.

Btw, I'm amused to see you saying 'unpleased' in the same sentence where you berate me for my reading comprehension (post 156). Do you always speak in archaic English from about a century into the past?

Vote kcdaspot


might as well set the wagons straighter, besides, this is where I want my vote to stand at the end of today anyway assuming nothing else happens.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #11) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:25 pm

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In post 179, Kcdaspot wrote:.... you know what? fuck this i'll just take my lynch. there is so much wrong in this thread.

i'm hasitating badly because I dont think there is anyone postiing right now i can resonably say is beyond shadow of a doubt town.


i'd replace out but A) i've got a fucking penchant for it and i need to change that and B.) do you honestly think this slot can be saved?


everything i say now will be OMGUS but i suspect thor and tech.

Tech is costin and thor is charging is a sword and shield type deal. i need to recheck this but i just dont think they have made much mention of each other.

the only thing i can ask is this: Thor: when i flip town, chosen or otherwise (i'm still 100 percent on if i am or not.) will you PLEASE give the "town leader ball" to someone else or just bin it?

Also someone look up a tech/thor scum team thing afterwards so that i can be slightly justified?


So you mean you have no town reads, then? D'you think Thor is town or not? All I want is a yes or no answer.

Actually, this is a good exercise. Answer the same question, replacing Thor with Near, and then with Tech.
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Post Post #186 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:25 pm

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btw, mod, vc please
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Post Post #191 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:12 pm

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he actually sounds as if he regrets it now

well, doesn't change my mind! ^^ appeal to emotion works for both sides bro, just remember your mistakes if you're Town and pray for our victory
if you're scum I'm grinning at you
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Post Post #198 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:25 pm

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In post 195, Hyperion wrote:because its all apeal to emotion. he is trying toplay thesob story card. also arugala, i dont see your namein the active users space. lurking much?


his name not being there means nothing Hyperion, lol
I don't think my name is there either?

Arugula defending kc has been noted
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Post Post #214 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:15 am

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and Shattered Viewpoint needs to explain his reads pl0x -- most importantly the Thor claim, but I'd like to hear about the other two too since they're important

Kc, explain why Thor is scum pl0x.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:16 am

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btw, TUNNEL TUNNEL TUNNEL isn't good enough
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Post Post #227 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:43 am

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Hyperion, allow me demand some responses from you:

Describe how town you feel Thor is.
Describe how scummy you feel kdowns is. (leaning, certain, kinda, etc.)
Describe how scummy you feel Arugula is.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:33 pm

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Sorry, you guys both play badly and you both start with k, + are VI in both my games. (VI is not necessarily town for me, it describes a playstyle rather than an alignment.) Putting it into perspective, though, you play better than kdowns (or at least in a more respectable fashion), so I apologize for mixing you up with kdowns.

@Hyperion
Describe how scummy you feel kcdaspot is.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:33 pm

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I just realized the ultimate fail, that should read 'Describe how scummy you feel kcdaspot TO BE'. ._.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:18 pm

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hm. I see.

I'm not Near, but I propose a Hyperion-Kcdaspot scumteam.

CONFIRM VOTE: Kcdaspot
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Post Post #234 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:32 pm

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I'll let that boil before I take it off to simmer, thanks. Suffice to say that your IC was right; perhaps you'll get it. ^^
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Post Post #236 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:37 pm

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Guess not. You get to find out with everyone else, then; I'd like people to take a closer look at your play as well as your play with respect to Kcdaspot, too. Besides, it's enjoyable to be cryptic [8D]... and I have another game to deal with right now anyway.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:34 am

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possible emergency V/LA

will get back ASAP
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Post Post #261 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:55 am

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I'm back and currently importing lots of files as well as remaking my home on a different PC. The hospital is a cool place to visit every now and then. ^^
It looks like the Kcdaspot lynch is going through regardless of my reasoning, which is good because I didn't want to focus the attention on two people at once anyway. C'mon, Hyperion, bus your partner already, the game's up anyway.

edit: btw, Hypeiron, the more you attempt to push an Arugula lynch when we're all set at L-1, the scummier you look if he flips Mafia. Wanna go big and gamble at lynching town-Arugula or do you wanna give in and fight for your dear life for the next few days? ^^
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Post Post #276 (isolation #25) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:18 am

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Eh, if you ARE Town (which you're continuing to plead after lynch, so you likely are), I'll still be around. I'm not a dumbass -- neither Thor nor Tech are going to be coasting with me around.
btw, if I get NK'ed, you guys should know who to start scrutinizing like hawks.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #26) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:22 am

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ragequit
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Post Post #284 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:32 am

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In post 213, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Thor is scum.

Kcda is .... probably town.

Hyperion is aggravating.


this.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:22 pm

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amusing last words, but I'll honor you -- I'll be watching Tech and Thor like hawks; Tech is the more suspicious of the lot, and Shattered's got some explaining to do along the way.
Could you explain how Hyperion is town though?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:43 pm

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lovely quick lynch, btw.. I never even got a post in.

will reread.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:39 am

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Shattered Viewpoint, please place your vote on the player you find the scummiest.

atm, here are my reads:

Thor and Shattered Viewpoint are most likely to be scum; Hyperion could be scum with either of them, but if he is scum, he's more likely to be the partner of Shattered Viewpoint; and I am willing to stake the game on Near-town.

I'm currently trying to figure out the optimal play strategy here. brb while I eat lunch too.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:57 am

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@Thor
Sounds good.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:46 pm

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Near, unvote from Thor, at the very least. I'll back you on lynching him later after we see Shattered's vote on Thor. Btw, I think I have everyone's support for the following?

Shattered, crossvote Thor or we're going to lynch you.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:03 pm

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I sleep easier tonight
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Post Post #423 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:46 am

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Near, you're reaching.
Any experienced Mafia player (so, that'd be any of us, including Shattered) would have known to make a plan for quicklynching in this scenario. It wouldn't be difficult at all.

I'l give it another 24 hours plus Hyperion posting and then we can discuss Shattered vs. Thor in greater detail. With the odds weighed between the two, I'd personally choose Thor of either of them, simply because 1) based on meta, Thor has shown me he can play like a scary town player while being a Mafia, and 2) faced in a decision between a pro-town or a lurker lynch, I'm pressed to choose the pro-town player.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:06 am

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I don't understand what you said, Thor. I don't think you especially scummy -- I'm just weighing the odds: in LyLo, between an obviously protown player and a horribly scummy player, I'd sooner choose to lynch the obviously protown player based on experience. There is no real case against you aside from that, in my eyes.

As for Shattered -- I'd be fairly happy lynching him and losing the game, too, because he'd deserve everyone's hate and fury -- but I think you're the more likely scum of the two of you.

What else can you say to dissuade my paranoia?
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Post Post #435 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:51 pm

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Has shattered been on recently to mislynch me?

and Hyperion, you'll have to explain to me how what you quoted in #429 is scummy, otherwise it's straw. Also, I've already said I'd prefer Thor over Shattered, and the crossvote proves that either one of them is scum at this point, and therefore if I believe Thor to be scum, then I must believe Shattered is Town. To conclude, your logic on that is shit. So, basically, screw you, die scum. Hyperion moves up higher than both Thor and Shattered.

Near, does this sound like a fair conclusion to you? I'll crossvote him and we can see what happens.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:34 pm

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Acknowledged, but I won't clear you yet.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:31 am

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No, dropping any logic on Thor right now, I think Hyperion is scummy for pushing a lynch on me on groundless bases.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:23 am

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Near, yes/no to me crossvoting Hyperion?
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Post Post #451 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:41 pm

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So anyway, nobody ever forced me to explain the reasoning behind my sudden Near town-read... I'm surprised that nobody ever caught on to him at all besides me being irked by his scumhunting. :( And I thought I'd be alright basing my belief of his proclaimed towniness that of most of the dead Town thought too.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:51 pm

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How'd Near come off as town for the entire game? I had him null for the entire game.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:23 pm

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I don't understand how everyone saw him as townie, though -- he posted opinions, fair, but his opinions almost all calling the scumteam, which, has always come off to me as being very decisively null... or is that different depending on the person?
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Post Post #464 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:24 pm

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btw, thor, you're a monster. However, it looks like I'll still be subscribing to lynching the towniest player in LyLo, then.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:37 pm

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I'll have to review the game a bit more next chance I get. I don't think I played very well this game at all.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:05 am

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This game has been bugging me now for a while, but how should we argue with bullshit reasoning like that presented by Thor on how Near is town? I mean, he had everyone believing it, even if they didn't trust Thor. Is this where gut fails completely and logic needs to be better taken into account?
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Post Post #481 (isolation #46) » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:06 am

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that leads me to another question -- gut vs logic debate has been brought up millions of times by now, but when you're faced with using a gut scumread or a logic-based scumread in LyLo, which is the better option?
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Post Post #482 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:06 am

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would MD be a better place to bring this up?

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