In post 191, TheTrollie wrote:matt is being dumb...i want sicillian matt to think im NY scum so that I can avoid the NK
I think it's pretty obvious how terrible this post is but I was so flabbergasted that I had to comment on it. People post things like this in the real world?
This is a town tell for kdowns - I don't think I've ever seen him acknowledge his propensity to fold under pressure as scum. He lays more low.
In post 229, Nachomamma8 wrote:Say MattP is a Sicillian. Why would he be pushing you? Don't you think he would be trying to be recruited instead?
Say MattP is a New Yorker. Again, why would he be pushing you? Don't you think he would be advocating your recruitment so that the NY mafia could figure out the Sicillian mafia and not kill one of their own?
Scum have a lot to gain by making contact with someone from the other side. Why do you think Matt would throw this all away by trying to lynch you?
This is a very insightful post and I get major townvibes from Nacho because of it.
In post 281, DeathRowKitty wrote:Okay, glad that's over with. I was starting to worry.
Nacho's been saying/asking things that serve no purpose other than to stick a finger into things that are already exhausted from all the fingering they've received. I don't see what purpose that would serve other than seeming like he had a hand in suspicions he expresses instead of just latching onto things that already exist.
Which makes me go LOLWUT at this post. DRK, please address how post 229 (above) fits into this description of nacho.
In post 283, InflatablePie wrote:Not seeing Scumwen. Maybe it's because I'm bad at this game plus the whole face-to-face element, but I'm having trouble seeing scum in the Commune. Her posts do have town motivations behind them and I think Fate is tunneling a bit here.
Matt/Trollie thing is something to keep in mind but I don't get the huge wagon on him. Willing to slap my vote on Grey again if we get that wagon going, but I'd like to see more posts from him first if possible.
I've had multiple people voice suspicion about Amrun, between her odd interactions with LLD and something that happened between myself and her on the first Google Hangout chat. Think we can get that wagon started?
vote: amrun
I'm interested in the something that happened in the first Google chat. I don't remember even talking to you in that chat. Explain, please.
Also, what exactly about my interactions with LLD is scummy, in your opinion?
In general, I find your read of me bad, but I think it aligns with how you would read me as town.
In post 323, GreyICE wrote:If Grimmjaw is scum, then Reck is scum, 115%. You can take that to the motherfucking bank.
If Grey weren't gone, I'd want him to explain this, because it makes zero sense to me and is the opposite of what I think is true.
In post 416, xRECKONERx wrote:Am I? Am I, Amrun?
Because I'm pretty sure I'm fucking townier than town has ever towned. If you wanna try to go after me, be my guest, but you'll just be making yourself more obvious scum for doing so.
Here's my Amrun impression:
>lotsa shit that can reveal alignments goes down
>reads said shit
>posts: "shit guys cmon" instead of content
BUT REAL TALK YOU'RE CATCHING UP NOW SO I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER
I think it's pretty obvious that I posted "shit guys come on" because of the drama and had not yet read the thread; I don't get home until very late, and I promised I would catch up tonight, and as soon as I walked in the door, I came to this thread to find it locked because you and others cannot behave civilly.
I'm ridiculously tired but I'm here catching up. Even so, I was more current and involved in this game than any other game I've seen you play for months, so get off your high horse.
In others news, the happenings of the last 10 pages or so actually DO feel like Reck-town, but your awkward reaction to that scum slip gave me a very hard to shake scum read on you. It's not about the words, because anyone can misspeak, but your reaction to them.
@esurio - you mentioned Reck's facial expressions. I really want to discuss this with you, but it's probably not happen tonight. Please do not let me forget to discuss this with you.
Beyond those things, I wanted to take this time to discuss some other things. First, TheTrollie. I do not understand how any of his reactions make any sort of sense as town, BUT it's sooo ridiculously scummy that I am paranoid. However, he hasn't struck me as incompetent before this, so... The worst thing, for me, is simply him being nervous to interact with MattP. If I had an IRL friend playing this game with me, I'd be stoked and want to talk about it a lot.
However, oddly enough, my town read on LLD stems from a similar reaction. Early on in the game, in RVS stage, I wanted to wagon kdowns because I find him difficult to read so I wanted to see his reaction. GreyICE went along, but LLD did not because she reminded me that kdowns responds poorly to pressure and probably would just be lynched either way... She said that MattP was a better target for an rvs wagon because his reactions are more telling, and I agreed with her. And then we decided to fake a neighbor guilty on him. We are not actually neighbors.
But because of this agreement, I thought we had decided to be buddies in the game ( as we are outside of it) and discuss things. After the Google chat, I sought her advice about the Reck scumslip among other things, like feeling paranoid about kdowns-scum (which I have since decided against). Her reaction was, "Why are you telling me this? Are you really that confident I am town?"
Considering our status as friends otherwise, that reaction felt really townish to me - like, REALLY town. As scum, she could have easily just ridden that advantage to the bank and try to get information & trust out of me. LLD is not nervous as scum, as I think Trollie would be.
Also out of that gambit came a town read on esurio for something she said about it in G-Chat. When asked about my read of her there, I responded differently because I didn't want to talk about the gambit as if it were a gambit, and plus I did not know that she tried to use webcam and couldn't.
As for MattP, his initial response to my gambit was very strange and I did not know what to make of it. However, since then, I've gotten strong town vibes off of him. And earlier, he was on molly and telling me how much he loved me because he is adorable, and when I noticed how honest of a mood he was in, I decided to ask him about the game. I started off small by asking him why he had a scumread on me, because we talked last night and he gave no indication of a scumread on me and instead tried to convince me to vote TheTrollie, but when I read the thread from the same time frame he was talking about me as scum, and I thought that was weird. His response tonight was to say something along the lines of "I don't want to answer because I am happy and don't want to criticize you right now," except with more excitement and emotion, since we were transitioning from a more personal conversation. At first I was like "why is he avoiding talking about this when he's in an open mood," but then I read it again, and the word "criticize" stuck out at me. I don't think he would use that wording if he didn't think I was scum, for real.
I am keeping my vote on Reck pending that esurio conversation, but if I were to move it now, it would be on TheTrollie.
I think I had a townread on MoS before but I can't remember why and I'm feeling vaguely scummish on him as well. He said to me that he thinks Reck's scumslip could have been genuine, but the way he's gone about pushing it has come across as very fence-sitty and wishy washy.
Not really feeling scumwen, but for no particular reason. Just not feeling it.
p-edit: Shit, I need to read the rules again. IT didn't even register that trollie said that about the team without the nk. Plus now I think I have a townread on MoS again.
