Newbie 1252: The Other Game Town Wins!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Flip later. I'm at work.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Fujiko,

Town Cop

was lynched Day 3. Night will end in 72 hrs. Unless EVERYONE sends me a PM stating they want night to end early.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Nhanmen, a

Vanilla Townie

died Night 3.

Day 4 Begins Now!

Day 4, Vote Count #001

Majiffy -
Robocopter87 -
194 -
Not Voting - Majiffy, Robocopter87, 194

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: 194

GG bros.

Very bad idea to claim cop and then kill the cop, 194.

[Majiffy]

Oh good i'm still in this game.

VOTE: 194
Still autowiin.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Day 4, Vote Count #001

Majiffy -
Robocopter87 -
194 (2) [Lynch!] - Robocopter87, Majiffy
Not Voting - 194

194,

Mafia Rolecop

was lynched Day 4!

Robocopter87 & Majiffy Survive.
Town Wins! Now I go to bed! YAY!!!

[Zorblag]

First up, thanks for modding, Elmo TeH AzN! Thanks for backup modding and letting me join, Nobody Special!

Past that, good job at the end there town, it took a bit but scum got lynched. I've got many of my thoughts in the dead quick topic (as does Thor) which might be worth a read. Beyond that, here are a couple other things I took away from the game:

It turns out that TheHossaim didn't actually protect anyone night one; he submitted protection for Thor665 too late and it didn't count. There was no way I was going to report that replacing in so I gave what looked like the most convincing protection given what he'd said the day before. The lesson there: Always submit night actions early and then change them if you must as the night goes on. It's better to have something suboptimal in than nothing at all. This would have been a much different game if Thor665 had still been about for day two.

@RachMarie, I still want to play a game with you when you've got time to play this time. I didn't particularly enjoy getting you lynched at the end of day two, but I didn't feel like I was being left any choice.

@194, I think that you do have the potential to play a really good scum game here, and I believe that you've played good ones elsewhere (I might even be interested in looking them over if you wouldn't mind linking them.) You just need to be able to ramp up the activity and participate in the game a bit; Thor665 and I both picked up on the fact that you were sitting back and letting the game happen which is great scum play if you can get away with it, but terrible for town. Faking the scum hunting is the corner-stone of successful scum play in my opinion; you've got the other things in there.

@Majiffy, I didn't complain about it at the time, but I found the here-say dismissal of the case on 194 pretty unimpressive. Unless that's a term that's being thrown around regularly now (and I hope it's not) it just doesn't work well in a game of mafia where almost every argument in the early game is speculative. Simply not liking the case would have been fine with me; I could have reasonably chalked that up to confirmation bias.

@Fujiko, I said it in the quick topic, but nice work staying cool towards the end of day two and not claiming. It turns out that claiming would have been OK in this case (I would have protected you, you would have gotten your investigation in, and the 194 counter-claim, had it come, would have looked worse day three,) but in general what you did there is how you want to handle pressure. I actually wouldn't have bothered investigating TheHossaim night one were I you. If he was the doctor (which he was) scum had a fair chance of taking him out that night which would have made the investigation worthless. If he was scum he'd stick around for another couple days (barring being lynched, which wouldn't have been the end of the world) and there are other ways that he could have been revealed. In general, in the early game I don't think I'd bother investigating claimed PRs for those reasons, though, to be honest, I don't have much cop experience.

@everyone, it was a pleasure to play with you all! If anyone has any specific questions about my thoughts I'll be happy to share them. Beyond that, best of luck in future games, and perhaps I'll see you around as I play my rare game here and there.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[nhammen]

In the dead thread a few people complained that I picked up the wine and voted Fuji. I have to say I wouldn't have picked up that wine if we weren't guaranteed a town win at that point.

Also, I'd like to point out to 194 that there were better plays than claiming Cop. Although, any of them were extremely difficult. But claiming Cop meant your win was literally impossible.

[Thor665]

In the dead thread a few people complained that I picked up the wine and voted Fuji. I have to say I wouldn't have picked up that wine if we weren't guaranteed a town win at that point.

There was still something that made you look at both cases and decide to choose Fujiko first. That's the wine you drank. I'll agree it didn't matter in the grand scope, but in the specific short term choice between the two it did.

I still don't understand what the Fuji cases was. That's all I'm saying.


I'm not IC this game so I don't really need to do my official wall - but I have a number of loudly (and quietly) expressed opinions in the Dead QT. If there is anyone who would like more info about my thoughts or if there is anyone who thinks I didn't comment on them much and would like my take on them, just ask and I'll happily provide it.

Mostly it was just making fun of Majiffy for the 194 read though A read so bad to me I was starting to work into Majiffy=scum territory for a while.

[Majiffy]

Can't believe I was so off with 194. Annoying.

Dead QT was a fun read.

194 - Nice job. Counterclaim killed you, but in general I think you played well.
Fujiko - Same. Wouldn't have lynched you had it not been autowin and didn't matter who got lynched first.
nhammen - Supertown. Nice job.
Robocopter87 (SE) - See above.
Majiffy (IC) - Keep calm and DFTBA.
RXK - We didn't really get to play a whole lot for me to say much, but you played well.
Thor665 - Thor is Thor.
RachMarie - I was kind of miffed at your lack of activity, but I do gather it was personal reasons and these things happen. In the future you should probably replace out if you can't give a slot the attention it needs; it's just kind to the other players to do so, methinks.
Zorblag - You made for a nice breath of fresh air. It was fun playing with you
Elmo - Yeah I really don't like having to be nice. SE all the way from here on out, methinks.

Sorry

(not really)

to everyone about my attitude. It's how I am. If we play future games, you'll get used to it.

[Thor665]

Thor665 - Thor is

Thor

correct and needs sheep.

Fixed

Really, even with your raging you weren't bad in any real way in my opinion...except for the 194 defense. You'll not that all my calls about you being scum came out of that one somehow

[Majiffy]

I can never trust a Thor, especially one with such a magnificent beard.

[Thor665]

The beard's siren call will get to you eventually, just wait.

[Majiffy]

Can I... can I touch it? Just a little touch...

[Thor665]

I encourage stroking of its loamy softness, if that's too much stimulation at once for you then you can do a simple touch.

[Majiffy]

[Thor665]

You're cuter than I thought you were - but your reaction is pretty normal.

[Majiffy]

A++ Would stroke again.

[RachMarie]

I still think Majiffy one of your best lines here was the response to my read on Thor as Thor lol.

If you ever figure out how to read him let me know

[Zorblag]

@RachMarie, any tastey links to the scum quick topic to provide?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Fujiko]

Can't believe I was so off with 194. Annoying.

I'm irritated I was that far off on my read of you. What do y'all look for in scum anyway?

Thank you all, though - it was a good game, and I learned a lot.

[Majiffy]

Can't believe I was so off with 194. Annoying.

I'm irritated I was that far off on my read of you. What do y'all look for in scum anyway?

It's hard to say, but one of my personal favorites is a cognitive disconnect in reads/actions/behavior. If you're seeing a lot of glaring contradictions, there's got to be a reason behind it.

Rach - What did I say? I don't remember.

[RachMarie]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/PtZMCTy32CpKV here it is

[Majiffy]

Oh, and I'm working on a Thor read technique. I'll let ya know

[RachMarie]

Thor is well Thor.

Ain't that the damned truth. Are you ever able to read him? Because I sure can't.

I took out the rest since it was a fairly substantial quote lol.