Open 432: Robo's PYP (Game Over)

[BK201]

In your opinion, what makes Sawyer scum?

He wants Panda vigged without a claim. There is literally no town motivation behind that. I'm telling you I don't have my 'own' case, I completely agree with Absta's though.

What about Slandaar? Wasn't that his plan in the first place?

I don't recall Slaandar saying to do it without a claim.

[absta101]

Again, you're looking scummy.

When it comes to you, when am I not? I thought you were ignoring me.

I don't ignore anyone.
Is there any questions I haven't answered from you?

[BK201]

And honestly what's worse than a bad idea is the player who sheeps a bad idea. Its like proofreading, should be easier the 2nd time to see how bad it is.

[Starbuck]

If there is a vig, the vig is gonna do what they are gonna do, regardless of input from any of us, and will be shooting someone without a claim anyways. I hope that the vig (if they are out there) would take everything from Day 1 into consideration and shoot someone who they consider to be probable scum.

It seems as though Elmo/Panda's thing was a reaction test, but he (or Rach, I forget which one) already had stated prior to all of that he did mod the setup. Initially, I felt it was a slip, but once it was explained, it really was just more information about what was previously stated.

[BK201]

UNVOTE: Panda

OK so heres the deal

Panda looks like he slipped, if he slipped there is a vig.

So if there is a vig, they shoot panda tonight and we lynch someone else, this completely sorts the slip out.

Sounds like it could work.

Actually shouldn't Panda claim if he's going to get vigged?

No, I don't think he should. If he's scum he'd have way to many ways to get out of being lynched/NKed. And he actually insisted a Vig kill him. Hopefully he wouldn't do that if he were a PR.
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Brandi's latest post sounds like scum to me.

Crazy? You mean scummy.

You essentially claimed scum.

It doesn't matter whether someone "thinks you are dumb enough to slip up" or not.

Scum slip all of the time. Scum get lynched for slipping. That appeal to probability doesn't mean shit.

If you are actually town and are pulling something like that- you are -directly- hurting the town with your actions.

I disagree. I'd say he actually helped town given the reactions he got (I agree with all of his reads on those posts BTW). It could've easily have gotten him lynched but responsible town wouldn't have lynched without an explanation and Slandaar was able to come up with a seemingly foolproof method of determining his alignment without using a lynch on him.

If there is a vig- a stunt like that could have caused him to out himself. Do you know how anti-town your actions are?

Why would a Vig out himself just because Elmo says a vig is in the game? Elmo didn't claim Vig and he didn't make it sound like he was implying it either. That would make no sense whatsoever.

But no- I don't buy it.

This is just a shoddy attempt to pull suspicion off of yourself by labeling it as a gambit.

There is no way you would do something so thoughtless as town without even discussing it with your other head.

Your post looks like a shoddy attempt to get on a wagon in a way that wont make you look suspicious. Even after Slandaars plan, you still want to use a lynch on Panda? I see no reason for that unless you can point out a fallacy in what Slandaar proposed.

Elmo modded this set-up last time, I was a player there. (would actually be kinda funny if I was lynched today since I was lynched day 1 in that game too.)

Of course if we have a vig, he should vig who he thinks is scummy, but with all the support for the vig panda plan, its not a long-shot to say that's what would have happened. With a majority of support, panda should have claimed since its likely the vig would go along with it.

[BK201]

Sorry, I forgot I quoted that earlier. Was just going to point out Sawyer's 'reasoning' for panda not claiming.

[Brandi]

Mmm, most of starbuck's questions/issues I already responded to multiple times and I'm not up for repeating myself.

I also heavily disagree with needing long ass cases to vote someone.

Big cases inherently detract from the town. If someone is going to vote for someone, they are going to do it anyway, regardless of all the little things someone can nit-pick out of their posts.

[Starbuck]

I never said "long ass cases" just a case at all.

If you don't want to respond, could you point me to the posts where you did? I'm very sure that I probably missed some things in the 10+ pages that I caught up on.

[Brandi]

Well, since you asked so nicely, and yeah that's understandable.
I'll go through it in a bit. ~<3

[Robocopter87]

Code_X has requested replacement due to Work overload.

Finding replacement for him now.

[Starbuck]

How many replacements is that now?

I think you need a hug.

[Robocopter87]

That will be the Eighth replacement.

8 people from the starting list have replaced out.

We are on Page 20.



why do my players hate me

(jk)

[DeasVail]

I'm supporting a Sawyer lynch because, while I find myself confused by Brandi and Panda's play, Sawyer's posts don't really contain anything that I find particularly town-like, and there are a few things that I find a little scummy.

Little things:

-Top of 272 indicates what I think is a scum attitude. Scum are more interested on what they should comment on, whereas town are more focused on their reads.

-Mentions the possible slip without voting despite 315.

-The second sentence of 323 just feels off.

-Probably the most scummy thing: The way he responds to Absta's suspicion despite saying things like, "This post was almost not even worth responding to..." at the start of 379 seem like scum trying to sound like they don't really care when they actually do.

-Also, did he ever clarify the whole wanting to vig Panda without a claim thing?

Though I'm also fine with Panda because I saw it viewing the forum a moment ago and is gone without saying anything now.

I don't agree with this because I do it often as town.

[absta101]

-Probably the most scummy thing: The way he responds to Absta's suspicion despite saying things like, "This post was almost not even worth responding to..." at the start of 379 seem like scum trying to sound like they don't really care when they actually do.

That doesn't count because i've done it this game as well. As long as he answers the questions I don't care.

[DeasVail]

Where is an example of you doing that?

[Starbuck]

-Probably the most scummy thing: The way he responds to Absta's suspicion despite saying things like, "This post was almost not even worth responding to..." at the start of 379 seem like scum trying to sound like they don't really care when they actually do.

That doesn't count because i've done it this game as well. As long as he answers the questions I don't care.

So explain why it's okay for you to deem which questions are important enough to answer, but other people can't do the same thing to you?

[absta101]

@Starbuck

- I answered all your questions. I don't see your problem.
For the record, Sawyer agreed about what I said about your questions.

Also can you quote what you're referring to.
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@Deas

I don't remember where I said it. I had a look through my ISO but I couldn't find it.

[Slandaar]

I am being cautious when I say this; DV is probably town.

I always found the Monty wagon an overexaggerated wagon that gained traction quickly based on nearly nothing.

Scum could easily be Natalie/Absta/Kyle

Need to think. I have way too many scumreads.

[Sawyer]

You were so convinced he was scum just a few pages back. There's nothing indicating you think he's any less scummy, but when he unvotes and votes a random person with no reason, you let it slide? Why?

Who says I 'let it slide'. I just chose not to comment on it at that time. There was nothing for me to say.

How about, "Why did you randomly change your vote?" You even said yourself that it was confusing, yet you don't care to question it. That's letting it slide.

Can you post your reads on everyone please. I've got an alternate theory concerning you.

I don't know what "theory" you could have based on my reads, but ok:


Kyle: Scummy, last I checked but he's hardly contributed and I'll have to see how his replacement acts.
Starbuck: Null leaning town. Nothing particularly scummy about her and she seem to do her fair share of scumhunting.
Shamrock: Town, but his recent inconsistency I pointed out in my last post isn't helping him.
DeasVail: Null. Nothing much to say since he just joined. I'll need more time.
Absta: Null. You're doing your fair share, but that's it. Your case on me could be horribly misguided town or scum trying to make something out of nothing.
Darklight: Null leaning scum. Sounds like he's trying to be a people pleaser.
Brandi: Scummy. Her case was extremely circumstantial. The logic she used against Slandaar's plan can also be applied to her reasoning. She is also starting to become inconsistent.
BK: Scummy. Mostly for the case made on his predecessor, but his recent suspects without cases also hurts him.
Natalie: Null leaning scum. Tunneling Brandi and becomes defensive when questioned and becomes unnecessarily aggressive when it comes to others' stance toward Brandi.
Panda: Null because of his gambit. Should he survive until Day 2 that will help clear up his alignment.
Code X: Null leaning town. Nothing particularly scummy. Doing his fair share.
Slandaar: Null leaning town. Tomorrow is what will really help clear up his alignment.

This is the best lynch by far today.

VOTE: Sawyer

Despite the lack of reasoning, I was almost ok with this until...

people, those 4 I listed I don't really have cases on them, just overall vibes for now, if I had cases I would have shared.

You said I'm the best lynch for today based off a vibe with no case? That's even more unbelievable given how much there is to work with in this game. So you say you don't have any cases, then when Starbuck calls you out on it, all of a sudden you have a small case (that you don't explain) and you're sheeping abstas case.

Yep, I'm pretty confident of where my vote is.

Two actions from this slot stating that they agree with absta, but providing no content of their own.

That could be quite revealing depending on either of their flips.

-Probably the most scummy thing: The way he responds to Absta's suspicion despite saying things like, "This post was almost not even worth responding to..." at the start of 379 seem like scum trying to sound like they don't really care when they actually do.

I also said it again in post 439. Figured I'd help you with your weak case. You're welcome.

[absta101]

Thanks Sawyer. My read on you will be determined later.
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@BK

- Your vote is where it is simply for survival. My case on Sawyer was made awhile ago yet you only supported it as soon as Shamrock voted you. Explain:
- Why Sawyer

suddenly

became the best lynch.
- Why you dropped him for your strongest scum read Deas considering they were both on two votes.
- Why you were okay with joining the waggon that your strongest scum read was on.
VOTE: BK

[Slandaar]

absta what do you think about my scumteam in 492?

[absta101]

1. I know you're wrong.
2. I know that the idea of that scum team is new and that you have little confidence in it.

[DarkLightA]

I'm sorry for not being more active, I'm feeling lost in this game and don't have much time to utilize in the solving of it.

In fear of being murdered in my sleep by Robo, I'm not going to replace out yet, I'll try to catch up soon.

[Robocopter87]

bump i think

[Robocopter87]

Dangit, double bump