Okay, as with all reads I do when I replace in, my thoughts are very, very likely to change throughout the course of the reading, since I'm basically speed-playing 2.5 days of Mafia. This is probably also going to end up being a bit of a wall, so reader beware. However, if JD's (slightly hypocritical) comments are to be believed, this game could use a kick up the arse.
Nhammen killing (or trying to kill) the RVS in post 7 of the first page is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as how badly it evidently backfired on him. Interesting is the early posting from Rhinox, which does the same thing:
In post 35, Rhinox wrote:
confirm vote: agar
stalling scum
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For serious though, I'm not liking umoms complaining about a slow start while not doing anything to fix it, while also complaining about something that actually *could* speed up the start of the game (aka the agar wagon)
unvote, vote umoms
oh I can probly change my sig now huh
For all the joking "lol I confirm my vote on Agar
:shades: :yolo:" stuff, he's still doing his damnedest to create rather tenuous cases to call back to and kill RVS like nhammen did. JD's #40 brings up another good point about this post:
In post 40, JDodge wrote: In post 35, Rhinox wrote:
For serious though, I'm not liking umoms complaining about a slow start while not doing anything to fix it, while also complaining about something that actually *could* speed up the start of the game (aka the agar wagon)
unvote, vote umoms
oh I can probly change my sig now huh
Can you clarify your logic a bit where you seem to be saying that he did nothing to change the slow start despite complaining about it while drawing attention to something that would speed up the start of the game? It seems a bit like you're accusing him of not bringing attention to something while bringing attention to that same thing.
This early Tierce wagon explains why my predecessor in this slot used his role so early... though I really wish he hadn't, Gunsmith can be a lot more useful later on.
redFF and nhammen both leap on umoms for "stifling discussion" by... asking a question that invited an answer. Hrm.
Holy shit this umoms wagon built up fast. But then again, it apparently leads to people spotting what a scummy piece of crap nhammen is, so...
In post 91, Rhinox wrote: In post 84, umoms wrote: In post 77, Rhinox wrote:
Yeah... I was gonna say, if it was a reaction test, umoms failed.
What exactly am I supposed to be reacting to? I couldn't really give less of a shit about a page 3 lolynch wagon.
A good start might be to actually address the reasons people think you're scummy.
Yes, because so many reasons had been given on page four.
umoms' 94 sums up how I feel about Rhinox at this point.
I'm redFF. I'm...
helping
Ladies and gentlemen, the most overused term in all of MS history: OMGUS.
OMGUS does not include votes that actually have a reason behind them. The only people who think that are bad players and scum who are ignoring it.
In post 121, Quagmire wrote: In post 98, Tierce wrote:It was anything but 'pack mentality'.
1) It's ridiculously fun.
2)
It's useful.
A quicklynch threat on D1 catches players off-guard. It generates reactions that can be studied later with a couple of flips And I would
definitely
have hammered that wagon if he had been at L-1 by the time of my vote; among other things, analyzing who came after me on D2 would be gold.
Analyzing who came after you on D2 would be a big pile of shit and get you nowhere. I hope you're not actually serious.
Agreed with Quag here. A sensible town would almost certainly not have been "analyzing who came after you" they'd have either put it down as you being a VI/MI and made sure you didn't get to endgame, or they'd have quicklynched
you
D2 as well and then put you down as a VI/MI.
Tierce's insistence on this whole "D1 quicklynches are good, honest u guise" both explains why Shea used the one-shot on her, and makes me incredibly hesitant to put any kind of weight behind the result.
Flameaxe's hop onto the RedFF wagon is terrible. Agreed with JD at this point that stupidity =/= a scumtell.
In post 136, Glork wrote:OH MAN. Tierce wagon or nhammen wagon. BOTH SO GOOD.
But nhammen is bigger.
Vote: nhammen
In post 137, scooby wrote:Umoms wagon is stupid as shut and I'm glad it's dying. I don't get the nammen hate, you know what I'd really like? A dead tierce with drench fries
Why can't I hold all this solid reasoning and logi-oh wait
nhammen's 139 would have had me crashing down on him like a ton of bricks and I am very glad he didn't get away with this horse shit.
In post 142, Staeg wrote:I pretty much always have scumreads on people with nhammen's playstyle but not here.
Tierce may or may not be scum.
unvote
Vote: tierce
everything else seems largely irrelevant.
Disregarding meta for the sake of hopping on the counter-wagon. K. (spoilers - admitting you're doing it doesn't make it okay)
In post 158, Simenon wrote: In post 139, nhammen wrote:
I didn't say that third vote is always or usually a wagon vote. But there is a better expectation for it to be one than for a second vote. I have seen random voting before, and you can check my wiki if you want to see previous games. But, I believe that random voting and asking questions was strictly better than just random voting alone, so I asked the questions that were available for me to ask. In any case, there was no casting of aspersion, subtly or not.
Okay, I don't think I'm ever going to get this, but if you think it was some great play I guess I'm cool with it.
It does sound more like an attempt to seem town than an genuine question, though.
And I agree with others that your jump on the umoms wagon looked ridiculous.
"I don't get this so I'm gonna let it slide instead of working it out" is something no townie with 2 functional braincells has ever posted.
Jesus Christ Tierce you are a horrible D1 player. I hope you get better soon because FUCK ME this is painful to read.
In post 177, iamausername wrote:
In post 176, redFF wrote: In post 174, iamausername wrote:that is absolutely beside the point.
you didn't have a problem with Rhinox until other people did.
I can't be suspicious of someone if someone else is suspicious of him?
The problem is that you seem to be suspicious only
because
someone else was suspicious.
- Rhinox does a thing.
- You post, showing clear awareness that Rhinox has done this thing, and no suspicion of him for doing it.
- Other people post, saying that the thing Rhinox did was suspicious.
- You post again, and
now
you're suspicious of the thing that Rhinox did.
Why did it take so long for you to realise that what Rhinox did was supicious?
YES. YES. THIS. SO MUCH. This is what makes me worry a little about the Rhinox wagon from what I've read so far; I can't tell if Rhinox is just being bussed (which seems hella unlikely with us 2 for 2 on lynches) or redFF is a straight-up moron.
In post 183, redFF wrote:@iaun
I don't really remember how I felt towards Rhinox when I made post 99, though it was definitely his posting on the next page that made me think more about him, so no I wouldn't say I was suspicious of him around post 99. You're putting words in my mouse and trying to get an wagon going on "easy pray" now that people are calling you out for lurking.
This makes no sense and was adequately answered in #188 - of all the "easy prey" to go after why would iama go for redFF.
Huge townpoints to Glork for calling for a mass-claim given the effectiveness it's had so far. Not sure why he would have suggested it any earlier than this (re: Staeg #199). Staeg has kinda been floating along in this game hasn't he.
In post 205, Quagmire wrote:Forgot to include on the last post: And the fact that I can't read Glork at all means I'd totally be down with wagoning him.
This is a bad post and you should feel bad.
Just... floating along... doing nothing of use...
nhammen voting redFF for jumping on the same wagon as him with almost as little reasoning is funny. As is the fact that he insisted on referring to JD's UT summonings as "interesting" and only committing to calling it "somewhat scummy" behaviour without feeling the need to actually analyze what UT was posting. This whole post in light of UT/singer's flip reads like heavy distancing.
In post 232, redFF wrote: In post 222, nhammen wrote:As for the idea of a D1 massclaim itself, I can see how it could help greatly, although I am a little uneasy about it because I've never been in a game where it's been done. The reason we usually don't massclaim is because it would give the scums a roadmap for who to kill, right? Then in low power games, scum can take out PRs easy, and turn this into mountainous. In high power games, it allows town to easily catch scum and break the game open. Is this all correct so far? If so, then massclaim is a bit of a gamble on how much power the town has, right?
This is scummy.
"...but I have no intention of pointing out how it is scummy"
In post 234, Rhinox wrote:Neighbor with an additional ability (my neighbor doesnt know about my extra ability by the way). I really don't think I should claim it though.
Popcorn umoms
This is not a claim, this is a "here's a part-claim, but there's more to come if you're good boys and girls and don't lynch me, teehee~"
In post 243, scooby wrote:
sure, we should lynch tierce, I have no fucking idea why sjhe is still alive
Aditionally, rhynox should get dayvigged or killed int he night or whatever because he is as well as scum
Koffing needs to live to engame. As well as umoms and quillford. They are all town.
I dont care about massclaiming. I just want to lych fuckign scum so hurry up, etc
...Are you even trying?
Please tell me you aren't trying because on the basis of what little you've posted so far I refuse to allow you near endgame.
At this point, that fact that Rhinox withheld
any
information about his role with the inevitable intention of using this unclaimed "extra power" to dodge a lynch if it occurs makes me want to vote him already, even if he at some point later in this readthrough claims this extra power.
Oh wait
In post 263, Rhinox wrote:Wow whatever its not like i can even draw a nk at this point anyways. I'm factional bulletproof. I can't be nk'd by mafia. I can be lynched or vigged or killed by any faction other than mafia if they exist but idk if that means there are for sure multi factions or not.
Fos glork (+others? On phone too lazy to go look) for starting massclaim and calling for a lynch before completing the massclaim.
Actually who am i voting? Redff? Eh doesnt matter
unvote vote glork
Okay, let's go over all the reasons this post is horrible:
- "Mafia-NK bulletproof" is a terrible role and an incredibly scummy claim because it is devised to make the town go look for a second scumteam (or a Serial Killer, or what-the-fuck-ever else you can think of) and drop attention from the claimant
- There is no reason whatsoever for a townie to be safe from anything but other townies
- "I can be
lynched or killed or vigged
by anyone but Mafia" - this makes absolutely no sense: bulletproofs don't magically gain lynch invulnerability the moment a single scum steps on the wagon, if they did it would make LyLo with this role virtually impossible to win for scum
At this point I'm going to stop this read here because I can see this post is getting long as fuck and I'm going to provisionally
Vote: Rhinox
, take a break in case anyone wants to actually read all this and react, and then come back to this from P12 onwards. Also anyone who doesn't want to lynch someone "to keep people who are actually playing the game" (hi JD, Quag) are being big sillies. I also would not be averse to any of the other main lynches being proposed (scooby, Flameaxe, redFF) at this point but would prefer Rhinox based on what I've read thus far.
