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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:09 pm

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Okay, here is my response. At first I was about to type a response saying that I believe Eidolon and we would give each other a hug (figuratively of course). I like her quite a lot outside mafia games and she is well aware of that. Most of her response seems geared towards putting aside our argument in favor of a belief that we are both town. It was tempting, of course to stop arguing with her especially since I felt so drained after our last argument. But that was coming from an emotional standpoint as opposed to a rational one and requires me to forget my arguments and embrace her.

And then I take the time the time to look at the facts and still none of them add up.

1) Eidolon didn't explain why she lied about trying to lynch me. I pointed out where she said I was her best lynch option. I then showed the post where she denied that she was trying to lynch me in my post . Why deny it as opposed to admit that she wanted to lynch me but was mistaken at that time? She basically lied about whether or not she tried to lynch me.

*Expects whiskers to poke more fun at me for accusing people who accuse me* - I'll give a pre-emptive response. It is not so much that she tried to lynch me as much as it is about a) she maintained that she had a townread while pushing the lynch and b) she lied about it.

In post 345, Eidolon wrote:
RC, how many times have we argued page after page after page in a game only to find out that we were both town? Thing is, when things start getting heated, you start plucking my nerves, and i start seeing scum in everything you say. I can't help it. You play scummy as town. You refuse to believe that anything you do can be perceived as scummy and thus start thinking i am scum for attacking you.


Even more important than that is the fact that most times we were both town and I am under suspicion, you are usually the person to defend what I am doing since you know I act like that as town. Somewhat like what Whiskers is doing now except in a less harsh way. I've hardly ever seen you use my "scummy town" behaviour to your advantage when you were town.

In post 345, Eidolon wrote:
I honestly can't remember one single time where i tried to argue with you as scum.


Off the top of my head, I can't either. But DDO is an environment I am familiar with and the game mechanics are such that I can develop good reads and defend myself. I also know what to expect and hence lead the day phase. This makes me a poor mislynch target for the mafia and it isn't in the mafia's best interest to go after me.

On mafiascum, not a single person is listening to me. Even whiskers who thinks I am town makes fun of my reads and refuses to take them seriously. I didn't understand a lot of the concepts inherent to mafiascum and to a game like this one. This makes me a much easier target to pick on and get mislynched. The fact that it is whiskers as opposed to you who pointed this out speaks volumes of your affiliation and motivations.

In post 345, Eidolon wrote:
You are pointing out things that aren't a scum tell. Like how i changed my mind from a grey/rgf scumteam to a whiskers/rgf scumteam. What is so scummy about changing my mind when i see something that someone did and think it is scummy?


It was more of your panic at being accused along with your scumbuddy. You started trying to link other people with Grey.

In post 345, Eidolon wrote:
But it's pointless if you keep going on about it because picking apart my posts and adding scum motive behind them doesn't mean that i'm scum. If you think i'm on a scumteam with grey, okay. Lynch grey. try getting me lynched tomorrow.


I was thinking about lynching grey but I am starting to question myself. Let's say you and grey are scum.

- Day 2 - Lynch Grey
- Night 2 - You would killed whiskers
- Day 3 - 5 players will be left (you, me, McStab, Crypto, RGF) - we would likely lynch an inactive since McStab won't lynch you.
- Night 3 - You kill the other inactive
- Day 4 - You, me, McStab. McStab buys that you are town.

I don't know. The two inactives have made the town very weak. But I'll probably settle for lynching Grey since I think he is scum and scum lynches are never bad for town. For me, it is between you and Grey on who I'd place my vote for a lynch.

I still want to hear your response - a real one with facts that doesn't just say "forget that pushed your lynch and later lied about it, we are both town" because I have hard time believing you are.
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:32 pm

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I don't know.

Strategically, it makes sense to lynch the most persuasive scum player early while the most perceptive townies are still alive. That weakens the scumteam. If Eido is scum and we lynch her, town will almost certainly win. As far as the active players are concerned whiskers and I agree that Eido and Grey are scum (not counting inactives). McStab thinks Eido is town and Grey scum. Eido thinks Grey and an inactive are likely scum.

Practically, it makes sense to lynch grey because we are all agreed that he is scum. I remember a game I played where everyone agreed that a player was scum yet lynched someone else for two straight day phases. http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/17831/

The scum lived to tell the tale. Obviously it was a scum win. So, maybe we should lynch Grey after all.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:11 pm

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I'm hearing alot of agreement for this Greywing lynch and no substance to back it up. Where are the votes?
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:21 am

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Waiting on Crypto and RGF.
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:23 am

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But if you insist

Unvote Eidolon

Vote Greywing


*waits for Eidolon to jump on my case for "wishy-washy" behavior*
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:22 am

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Currently searching for a replacement for Crypto.

Current Vote Count:

Vote Count 1.08

With 7 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Greywing (3): Mcstab, Eidolon, Rapidcanyon

Rapidcanyon (1): Greywing
Whiskers (1): Realgodfather
Realgodfather (1): Whiskers

Not Voting: crypto
Deadline is in (expired on 2012-09-06 11:32:00)
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:24 pm

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So, unfortunately something's come up that won't allow me much time on the site for awhile. Unfortunately, this means that I'm going to have to replace out. I just want to apologize to all of you because I know how annoying it is when people replace out like this. I hope that I'll be able to play with you guys again in the future.

@Mod: Requesting replacement.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:26 am

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When we get that replacement for Crypto, I'll discuss hammering.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:18 pm

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Inte replaces Crpyto. Searching for a replacement for Greywing. Prodded RealGodfather.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:08 pm

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In post 357, Whiskers wrote:When we get that replacement for Crypto, I'll discuss hammering.


Why the replacement for Crypto but not Greywing?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:20 am

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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:39 am

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In post 359, McStab wrote:
In post 357, Whiskers wrote:When we get that replacement for Crypto, I'll discuss hammering.


Why the replacement for Crypto but not Greywing?

because I would be, maybe, hammering Greywing. Why wiat for a replacement/make somebody replace, if I'm just going to hammer the slot?
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:26 am

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+ first come, first serve yo

ima read eventually
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:10 am

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rapid u scum bro?
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:13 am

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lol :P
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:16 am

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don't lol me ur a higher scum read atm
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:18 am

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In post 365, inte wrote:don't lol me ur a higher scum read atm


i still think you're funny.

L.O.L.

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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:19 am

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I thought it was pretty funny too.

Glad to see a replacement finally.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:25 am

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answer my q mr. rapid
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:40 am

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so hey how bout we lynch RGF

i have a really sour taste in my mouth from feigned town tells

his activity has dropped fairly hard since nobodys looking at him anymore
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:43 am

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In post 369, inte wrote:so hey how bout we lynch RGF

i have a really sour taste in my mouth from feigned town tells

his activity has dropped fairly hard since nobodys looking at him anymore



Not doing it, this just reaffirms my belief he's Chosen. For some reason you and Whiskers seem to be pushing rather vehemently for this, despite lack of mentioning anything except that he's a lurker. I've also already explained why I think he's Chosen earlier.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:45 am

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Well, you haven't been pushing "vehemently" for it, but is that really who you want lynched? What about the Me-RC, or Eidolon vs Whiskers-RC debate earlier? Sure, RGF hasn't played a great town game, but for the amount of flak he's receiving for posting so little (especially relative to Greywing) it's pretty absurd. Someone just hammer Greywing and be done with it; I won't jump on an RGF lynch.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:49 am

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lets put it this way:

if hes scum and tried to town tell - we've caught him
if hes town and isn't paying attention/don't care we've just dropped a useless townie

i've got other things to say, but its more flip dependent and i'm

mcstab and whiskers are basically my town reads

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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:57 am

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Your expectation is that he's a "useless" townie, not a Chosen townie. That's a bad expectation.

Hammer Greywing and buy some towncred so that Whiskers is next instead of you.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:01 pm

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? cya noob

do you know he is chosen?
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