So I massively fail at this sleep thing. Skim skim skim skim. This is sarting to give me Mini 1333 flashbacks and it isn't pretty.
MoI--in this game, claims frankly mean little to me. With that said, though, bodyguard claims have a way of sorting themselves out quickly enough
unless your name is Empking and you're playing AFFC
, and there's no sign anyone will agree to a rapidcanyon lynch today, nor am I that interested in it after Maemuki replaced in.
Amrun's seilkops vote is terribad. I don't think she's scum, but it's such a ridiculous vote.
The hydra is probtown. I have to check Delta's scum meta in Team Mafia, though.
Quote stripes good grief I hate all of you. I am not reading those Today.
Empking--what games of mine have you read? I believe we've only played once together, so the "I ca't
(sic)
read
[Tierce]
generally" seems out of place.
AngryPidgeon--I'm female.
In post 354, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also, he is blatantly interpreting RC's derpness as a scumtell. Following quote is Tierce taking dumb things that RC says and passing them off as scummy inconsistencies. Its the worlds easiest case. Someone who was genuinely concerned about gettign the right person lynched is going to at least wonder if the person they are pushing was just being derp
This is blatantly false. Let me remind you of this:
In post 178, Tierce wrote: In post 153, rapidcanyon wrote:Overall, the posts that struck out to me the most was Tierce. There were already 4 votes on me and he still thinks I "need more votes." Also, he doesn't put in any effort but just bandwagon's on MoI.
The above is not an honest post from someone who is allegedly experienced at playing mafia:
In post 172, Eidolon wrote:To MOI,
1.
http://www.debate.org. We've played probably at least 15-20 games together over the past year.
2. it doesn't say he's scum, because he puts effort into being scum. he's too experienced at it to avoid a game because he's scum. It's null to me. He just seems disinterested.
3. Being stubborn is the reason why he keeps bringing up the rvs thing and focusing on that. He's one-tracked.
Putting rapidcanyon's posts in context to what Eidolon claims to know from him makes the situation highly dissonant. In this game, he is acting like he's much the newbie to mafia, and it seems contrived given Eidolon's information. And if rapidcanyon proves to be as inexperienced as he's acting like in this game, Eidolon's defense becomes highly suspect.
@Eidolon or rapidcanyon
-- Please link me to actual games in debate.org you were both part of, if they are available.
With that said, looking atthings in context and skimming the linked games, I'd say they are just not that experienced and have a different view of their skill level compared to MS. (This is not intended to bash the debate.org mafia games, it's just that they don't seem as intense as ours.) Eidolon thinks rapidcanyon is experienced, rapidcanyon thinks Eidolon can be 'vey smart scum', but by our standards, they act pretty newbish. That explains the apparent inconsistencies that I brought up in 178, which is
why I asked them for game links
--moreso than to get a feel for their meta reads, it was to get a feel for their
experience level
(fake edit: I don't like how rapidcanyon is now calling himself a noob, though).
I'm one of the first to say stupid != scum, though I do tend to get lost in tunneling on stupid play. Accusing me of not trying to figure out rapidcanyon's alignment is a wild misrep, though.
In post 354, AngryPidgeon wrote:In no way should that RVS vote itself be a scumtell. Contributing to wagons is content, like it or not. Tierce is pushing a BS point about the RVS vote because a lot of people have found it scummy already. No one ever bothered to call Tierce out on essentially saying here that an RVS vote is scummy.
I wasn't calling out the RVS vote to begin with, I was calling out the disclaimer that he saw people out of RVS and didn't bother to contribute himself.
In post 354, AngryPidgeon wrote: MoI asks about RC's Tierce vote. RC says that he felt the wagon must have one scum on it and Tierce is likely scum for not explaining the vote. Then we get this gem:
In post 263, Tierce wrote:3. You have not answered the question as to why you think lack of explanation in votes is scummy. Why is a lack of announced reasons scummier than what you're calling 'very minor reasons blown out of proportion'? This reads as scum caught for the wrong reasons--and
I don't have to make a case for you to defend yourself if I think you're scum.
Ok Tierce. So if I suddenly switched my vote to MoI and parked it there without ANY EXPLANATION, that wouldn't be odd to you? You wouldn't find that in the slightest bit scummy? Also, RC said he was doing this out of PoE mainly. Tierce is totally ignoring that and focusing on things that are more construable as scummy.
PoE on D1 is pretty much nonsense--and this is coming from someone who is a better townhunter than scumhunter. Chain yourself to your process of elimination and it's a game loss. More to the point--I was not calling rapidcanyon scum over that section, I was making questions. The section you emphasized is game theory--I don't have to discuss with my scumreads if I'm convinced they are scum; cases are not intended to allow people to defend themselves, they are intended to convince others and get your scumreads lynched. I don't have any obligation to make a case for rapidcanyon to defend himself from. Yes, he can find it odd, but my question was
why is a vote without an explained reason scummy
.
In addition, the way you've taken my quotes out of context is pretty awful, as the whole set shows I'm trying to figure out rapidcanyon's playstyle to see if this whole thing makes sense. But anyway, rapidcanyon can wait until later Days and I'm done worrying about rapidcanyon. I still want his read on IceGuy, because there was a point to that one (fake edit: if it's somewhere in those inane quote stripe walls, I'll get to it later).
Still haven't read IceGuy's games nor, frankly, anyone's I haven't played with before other than hardcore skimming of the debate.org games. From the hread alone, IceGuy is making the same kind of pointless arguing that got him lynched on Warlocks and Werewolves as town, and I know he is a fairly abrasive player, but I don't really know if that's indicative of alignment, so I have to check. Again, probably not Today because there's something far better to be looking at.
Maemuki is scum.
Post 335 amounts to no definitive reads on anyone but a townread on rapidcanyon. She criticizes a lot of people, but there is a marked lack of taking a stance. She's not voting, either, which isn't doing anything to fix her 'meh' reaction to several players or the "I don't like X" reads in any Town/Scum axis. And then we have this gem:
How on Earth do you expect ANYONE to prove that they are Town? This is a pile of empty posturing meant to rile up someone who is frustrated with the wagon on them. You're not even trying to figure out Amrun's alignment.
UNVOTE: rapidcanyon (who is obvtown if Maemuki flips scum)
VOTE: Maemuki
MoI, DW, seilkops and rapidcanyon should get over here. We can get this lynch going in 48h.
