NY 154: Return to Boring Town - Game Over

[inte]

breadcrumbs aren't necessarily meant to be found before a claim, they're just something that can be referred back to when you do claim as further confirmation

i think this is the first of all your posts that i've read that actually made pro-town sense

[Salamence20]

Rofl and inte need to massclaim

[roflcopter]

i'm a vt

fos: inte

what you quoted was nothing more than mafia theory. it is pretty much the least alignment-indicative thing i've said all game. buddy moar harder.

[Salamence20]

Ok, next up is inte and McStabby

[Nocmen]

Replacing VisceraEyes

Prodding Velazanth

[Salamence20]

Mother Fucker. Just thought of something.

UNVOTE:

ROFL, Inte, McStab, and MOI:

is there 3 or 4 scum IYO?

[inte]

i'm a vt

fos: inte

what you quoted was nothing more than mafia theory. it is pretty much the least alignment-indicative thing i've said all game. buddy moar harder.

okay

vanilla

are you scared to actually place a vote? isn't buddying at this stage actually bad?

[MagnaofIllusion]

So McStab needs to claim followed by Toon and Velaz in any order they choose.

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i don't like MoI's posts, so i voted to have him lynched
you've been just an idiot

i think this is the first of all your posts that i've read that actually made pro-town sense

Yeah, he’s dying today. Neither of these posts is in any way Town-oriented thinking.

First post – you don’t “like” my posts? Well that’s nice and empty. What specifically makes you think they are from Scum? You can't actually show scum intent in my play so we get this load of nothingness. Furthermore the “VIs can’t be scum” pass opinion used to label Sala Town comes from a perspective of someone who knows Sala isn’t scum (he’s not a partner).

Second post – funny then that you have no interest in pushing / lynching Rofl at all. Because you think he’s only made a single Pro-Town perspective post all game long. Yet no suspicion of him.

Frankly look through his whole ISO. Count the posts that actually show him actively wanting to scum-hunt. If you come up with more than one hand’s worth of fingers please link me to them as I see scum floating along with cheeky active-lurking.

VOTE: Inte

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moi did you at any point breadcrumb your role?

Not in the manner I do when I breadcrumb. Frankly I don’t bother to breadcrumb if my claim isn’t useful in helping to catch scum post-death (Investigative Roles, mainly). BP actually shouldn’t be breadcrumbed as it neuters it’s one strength – surprise screwing over scum’s Nightkill efforts.

You can see in Post 692 (at the bottom in my reply to McQueen’s speculation) that I list Town Bulletproof as specifically the first role I mentioned. That speculation was made to help draw a Nightkill or Roleblock attempt given that BPs are Passive.

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So I'm the bigger scum, despite Inte having more points than me, if so, what was the whole point of using VCA? Shouldn't your vote be on Inte? Remember the last time you tried making a case on me?

There was no point to it. I can be classified as VCA but frankly I’m ignoring it since I disagree with most of the assumptions used to categorize votes and his point system in general. However given you could have hammered me pre-claim and probably gotten zero significant pressure given the derpness that made up my wagon I’m not likely to vote him today.

MoI, if I told you I was town, you were actually a town BP, and VE is a vig, would ROFL be scum, or would all town been on Prescending's wagon?

Well your question makes little sense since IAI was already scum on Presc’s wagon. But if there are only 3 scum (which I don’t think is likely) then McStab or Inte is the last scum IMO.

Frankly 3 / 18 is too low a number of total scum for MS given that we know at least 1 is a Goon. 25% is pretty much the ‘rock bottom’ minimum and then you need a pretty strong Scum team. All 3 scum would have to be Power-roles for a 3-15 set-up to be balanced and viable.

[roflcopter]

it wasn't a three person scumteam. thats not a fruitful theory. what moi said on the subject covers it.

at this point i believe moi's claim.

vote: inte

[inte]

well the comment wasn't limited to this game

explain how trying to solidify reads isn't pro-town

@both of you

, what happens when i flip town?

[roflcopter]

@both of you, what happens when i flip town?

appeal to fear detected

[Salamence20]

Oh good, lets break this game.

If there are 4 scum:

Lynch ROFL.
If Scum, one of Inte/McStab is scum.
If Town, both McStab/Inte die.

If there are 3 scum:

ROFL is conf-town, due to being JK.
Lynch Inte today, McStab tomorrow.

We lose if VE is a SK, or MoI was lying, both of which is unlikely.

Discuss.

[roflcopter]

Oh good, lets break this game.

If there are 4 scum:

Lynch ROFL.
If Scum, one of Inte/McStab is scum.
If Town, both McStab/Inte die.

If there are 3 scum:

ROFL is conf-town, due to being JK.
Lynch Inte today, McStab tomorrow.

We lose if VE is a SK, or MoI was lying, both of which is unlikely.

Discuss.

your plan still causes the town to lose if you are scum so no thanks

[inte]

@both of you, what happens when i flip town?

appeal to fear detected

more like appeal to truth

i don't plan on stopping my lynch but you should plan ahead if you really are town

[inte]

hmm actually not stopping my wagon would be detrimental

gib me a sek

[Salamence20]

Oh good, lets break this game.

If there are 4 scum:

Lynch ROFL.
If Scum, one of Inte/McStab is scum.
If Town, both McStab/Inte die.

If there are 3 scum:

ROFL is conf-town, due to being JK.
Lynch Inte today, McStab tomorrow.

We lose if VE is a SK, or MoI was lying, both of which is unlikely.

Discuss.

your plan still causes the town to lose if you are scum so no thanks

Good News: I am town, and I feel quite impressed at my plan, thanks.

Bad News: I really feel as if you know this plan will out you and you are trying to make sure this doesnt happen.

[inte]

ugh this is hard

all 3 of you have shit interactions with the only scum lynch

[inte]

leaning rofl/sala scum, ftr

[inte]

ugh but that doesn't make sense

this need a larger overhaul

lynch me before i post more thoughts and its a scum claim

[inte]

yeah actually rofl definitely needs to be lynched today

i'm a fan of the gambler's fallacy, but every one of your votes have been scummy yo'

VOTE: roflcopter

[inte]

rofl, what makes you believe MoI's claim

[roflcopter]

rofl, what makes you believe MoI's claim

post 692

[MagnaofIllusion]

well the comment wasn't limited to this game

explain how trying to solidify reads isn't pro-town

Is this really your explanation? I highly doubt your first answer doesn’t make sense in context of this –

Roflcopter, where's your shining beacon of town play?

Clearly from this you expect Obv-Town play from Rofl. So you saying that he never makes Pro-Town posts is a load of crap.

Not sure what the fluffy “trying to solidify reads” is supposed to mean.

@both of you, what happens when i flip town?

Aside from the fact that this is a clear Appeal to Fear as already mentioned – why didn’t you seem to have any worry about lynching me? I didn’t see any “Well if MoI flips Town my plan is X,Y, Z” coming from your slot. Why do others need to have back-up plans when you don’t?

ugh this is hard

all 3 of you have shit interactions with the only scum lynch

I’m going to channel Fate for this one … please hold …

“LOLOLOLOL scum claim! All three of our interactions with flipped scum are 10 million time better than yours. Is McStab your partner since you aren’t even pretending to consider him in your ‘analysis’.

Busted scum is busted. Shouldn’t have tried to fuck with me newb-scum. Now you die!!!!!”

Now that I got that out of my system I think the points above are good –

No indication of why our interactions are shit.
No actual consideration that anyone outside those pressuring him are scum.

Add in his fake “Hammering me before I post is a scum-claim” from Post 818 and we have a win here, I think.

@Inte

– next time you pull scum it helps to pretend to want to scum-hunt BEFORE you get called out.

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Good News: I am town, and I feel quite impressed at my plan, thanks.

Bad News: I really feel as if you know this plan will out you and you are trying to make sure this doesnt happen.

Well let’s see – I’m not convinced your plan is all that much more than PoE so why should we consider it impressive given we have no assurances you are Town like you do? Couldn’t ROFL simply build a plan from his claimed Town perspective that outs you in exactly the same fashion?

Why not lynch inte today under your “4 scum” scenario?

[MagnaofIllusion]

rofl, what makes you believe MoI's claim

This cracks me up.

Rofl is scum. Yet you are asking him why he believes my claim. The same claim you believed when you unvoted my horribly bad wagon and immediately jumped on Sala.

Unless you think we are both scum (and if that's the case why no mention of us as partners?) you have no reason to ask your scum candidate (who you are voting) why he believes a claim you believe.

More votes up in here!

[roflcopter]

qft everything moi just said