A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Zdenek]

One thing that really struck me as odd were the Feysal chooses early in the game. I don't think that Feysal comes across as particularly town, and if he were to flip scum I'd probably look into those choose votes pretty carefully.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not sure I like Benmage's idea to use the jailkeep as a doc ability...seems like a good way to render a PR useless for the night.

Meh...or a good way to keep a strong town read alive who might otherwise be killed.

I think it's too risky...the only way to make this work would be for everyone to vote without revealing who they chose, and just *hope* that the majority choose a good target. If we made choices public, scum would just avoid killing them and it wouldn't be all that effective. If we make use this aggressively, we can try to target scum and use it to stop them from being able to kill tonight. With 1 scum down (and presumably another in bvoight), we have a lot of information to work with and imo should use this information aggressively to take advantage of the day's mechanic.

[Shinori]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

[Zdenek]

Lyanna, I'll admit the fact the hydra-partner of Shinoris isn't 'new' does weaken the town-tell but while he may be nervous and weak as scum I don't think his solution to counter that would be bringing into it another player he has to have hydra-interactions with since they'd have to fake read disagreements ect.

Regfan could be scum because of this. He's maintaining a town-read for an absolutely ridiculous reason.

On a related note: the hydra dissonance has to end, and if it doesn't we start lynching them. We have to eventually be able to hold these slots accountable for their reads.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

o.O?

[Tyene Sand]

Zdenek--at best you are skimming my posts, at worst you're scum.

I jumped off greenknight because he claimed masons. I didn't go back to Feysal because I was not convinced Feysal was scum. And I was the first on a wagon that result in the death of scum. What the hell are you criticizing here? Don't I have a right to start wagons too? Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a mason onto my scumbuddy and pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive of

from the beginning due to redFF

, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.

And yes, I 'blather' a lot. That's who I am and how I play. Deal with it.

[Lyanna Stark]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

So, you have information that potentially clears Bvoigt and implicates Staeg and Shadow somehow and you're just fine lynching Bvoigt in case? If that's not what you mean, what do you mean?

[Zdenek]

MoI forgetting about bbmolla being in the game was weird, and his self-choose felt contrived.

VOTE: Snowstorm. The level of crap being posted by yours truly has reached the point of no return.

This is just incredibly bad for MoI - he's voting some one for posting crap rather than for being scum.

MoI's attack on Minimum bothers me too. It reminds me of his attack on Twilight Sparkle in ASOS, where he attacked another Mina-hydra. I kind of think that this is a scum strategy of his because it can give him potentially days worth of time wasting arguments. I also didn't really like when he backed down on that argument and eventually resorted to sniping.

Frankly, I don't think that any of this is all that conclusive, but I don't certainly think that the town reads on MoI aren't warranted.

[Zdenek]

And yes, I 'blather' a lot. That's who I am and how I play. Deal with it.

I'd like rope to deal with it.

[Zdenek]

I jumped off greenknight because he claimed masons. I didn't go back to Feysal because I was not convinced Feysal was scum. And I was the first on a wagon that result in the death of scum. What the hell are you criticizing here? Don't I have a right to start wagons too? Unless you're claiming that I jumped off a mason onto my scumbuddy and pushed that wagon until the end (which was a wagon I had been supportive of from the beginning due to redFF, I have no idea how you think it makes sense for me to be scum at this stage.

The point was that you had the opportunity to Vote for DC and there were votes on him, but instead you decided to push for him to be chosen, when there were no choose-votes on him.

[Benmage]

I am down to quicklynch

.. I dont see this day yielding much other than "yeah vote bvoigt cool"... "yada yada yada **nothingness**"

[Benmage]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

Explain said PM.. much easier.

Can someone dig up that other message we saw before (yesiamthislazy)

[Lyanna Stark]

Shit I just realized I forgot to take something out of my notes

So apparently I recieved a letter from someone, it says that Aegon Targaryen's forces are split up so that some do not know who the others are. After some extensive research(AKA, googling Aegon Targaryen) I've come to the conclusion this is probably good knowledge for the town to know because they look like bad guys.

Unsatisfied with the lynch today, fine with the choose.

UNCHOOSE
CHOOSE: DLCXVI

L-1 for choose

I still think Sapo is scum btw. Will switch to Shadow to prevent no lynch.

[Dolorous Edd]

I'm not sure I like Benmage's idea to use the jailkeep as a doc ability...seems like a good way to render a PR useless for the night.

We had this discussion in The Murder on the HMS Regalia, when we had a public jailing, like this one except it was on thread instead of PMs. And there was supporters on both sides (to use it to protect or to use it on a scummy person), so it's not really alignment indicative.

I still don't think I really know what to do with it though <_<

[Benmage]

I'm not sure I like Benmage's idea to use the jailkeep as a doc ability...seems like a good way to render a PR useless for the night.

Like that isn't a possibility anyways?

[Eddard Stark]

Faithful was part of Stannis's fleet commanded by Ser Imry Florent during the Battle of the Blackwater. It engaged the Kingslander with the aid of the Sceptre. The Faithful was rammed during the battle. It was engulfed and destroyed by wildfire after the explosion of the Swordfish.

Day 2, Votecount 2

bvoigt (6) - Dolorous Edd, Staeg, Benmage, Shadow1psc Mastermind of Sin, Shinori

Not Voting (18):

Minimum, Lyanna Stark, Mockingjaye, Tyene Sand, kortul, MagnaofIllusion, Plums Yo Mamma, Albert B. Rampage, Regfan, Zdenek, Bvoigt, Plessiezarus, Feysal, Pandora, Saporerint, Starbuck, BBmolla, Jal

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

• Deadline
  : 22nd September at 00:39am Ireland time. (GMT+1)
  
• Countdown to deadline
  : (expired on 2012-09-21 19:39:47)
  
• MagnaofIllusion is V/la

[Benmage]

Maybe we make like a top 3 townie list... and vote amongst them... so scum really can't kill any of the three.. Me likes this.

[Dolorous Edd]

Maybe we make like a top 3 townie list... and vote amongst them... so scum really can't kill any of the three.. Me likes this.

I think you went inside my mind ._. I was thinking that same

exact

thing. Keep them on their toes, so they either have to take the risk and maybe hit a protect, they can also take the risk and cross-kill with another mafia team, or they can shoot someone that is less town. Works for me.

[Tyene Sand]

I like Benmage's idea.

We might have something like it was on Always On (that was virtually a recruitable traitor) or in Mafia of the Chosen Ones, with the same scumteam, but divided and without knowledge of who the other half are for a while.

I find it curious that, for all practical effects, we only had a kill. DCLXVI's 'faction', whatever that means, knew who he was going to kill, obviously. So: are they responsible for the death of the other mason, or do we have another killing group, or did they doublekill, or do we have successful protections--we're not going to get an answer now, but this is food for thought for later.

[Dolorous Edd]

I find it curious that, for all practical effects, we only had a kill. DCLXVI's 'faction', whatever that means, knew who he was going to kill, obviously.

How? Maybe DCL wasn't allowed any more communications with his scumteam?

[Lyanna Stark]

Eh...Faraday hates recruitable roles so I don't know how strongly I'd buy into that theory.

I'd imagine that DCL's faction is the same as the one who killed both masons. It just would be too coincidental for different scum factions to happen to kill the other mason person. I looked for crumbs to see if DCL left any hint of who he would kill but didn't find any.

Although a double kill of either I suppose is possible. I'm just still surprised they went after either of them at all.

[Lyanna Stark]

I find it curious that, for all practical effects, we only had a kill. DCLXVI's 'faction', whatever that means, knew who he was going to kill, obviously.

How? Maybe DCL wasn't allowed any more communications with his scumteam?

If they do have day talk as Z(?) suggested, that would have been planned before day ended most likely.

[Zdenek]

Vote: MoI

for loving all the same fandoms that I do.


I'm a little surprised at the quick Chooses right out the gate before you can even get a bead on reads.

Are you also surprised about the quick votes out the gate before you can even get a bead on reads?
Pointless observation to look town and like she's really putting 'thought' into the game, when obviously if she was actually thinking she would realize how much of an inane statement this is.

What's the difference between a choose before you can get any reads and a vote before you can get any reads?

I guess there really isn't one. I just would rather put my Choose vote on someone that could be trusted to follow through on the action rather than give it scum or a policy lynch.

I know we can gain info from the Choose votes, but I still question those who immediately Chose someone because, again, it should not fall into the hands of the scum.

this is something similar to the above, why shouldn't we choose scum? It's a day 1 lynch and if we do get scum with it I'd always take a 1for1 trade, who wouldn't? Another post to look pro-town where if any town-minded thought was put towards it Starbuck would've realised that a 1for1 trade is always worth it.

vote:starbuck

choose:feysal

I think the multi-scum slip is enough to go off at this stage, see how feysal continues to react.

also I'm

V/LA until Friday

, sorry about the timing but I was pre-inned for this and didn't want to miss out, I leave tomorrow so you might get some more posts from me tonight, just posting this in case i forget.

I was bothered like many by Starbuck's early play, but her later play plus this means that she almost for sure not aligned with RedFF/DCX.

[Shinori]

I misread shadows saying Staeg instead of BVO. I don't know why.

I'm fine with BVO lynch, however if Bvo flips town we look at staeg and shadows because of weird stuff i got in my pm last night.

##Vote: Bvo

So, you have information that potentially clears Bvoigt and implicates Staeg and Shadow somehow and you're just fine lynching Bvoigt in case? If that's not what you mean, what do you mean?

No I think I actually have info that potentially pegs someone as scum along with BVO. It could implicate bvo as town though but it's also something I don't fele at liberty to discuss because it could just be more beneficial to scum than town.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I find it curious that, for all practical effects, we only had a kill. DCLXVI's 'faction', whatever that means, knew who he was going to kill, obviously.

How? Maybe DCL wasn't allowed any more communications with his scumteam?

If they do have day talk as Z(?) suggested, that would have been planned before day ended most likely.

Not to mention that DCLX would probably still be able to see the QT to see who his team was planning to kill, at least.