Mini 1373 - Oh My! (Game Over)

[Empking]

Vote Count 5

redtail896 (2) - Satire, crypto
Tuxedomask (3) - RobertMontana, petapan, Coron
RobertMontanna (1) - tuxedomask

Not Voting: redtail896, sach, denisatp, projectmatt, satire, Hibiki, horrordude0215

7 to lynch

[denisatp]

i actually agree with coron's points on satire

i dont agree with the conclusion he drew from them but i could see the logic behind them

[Hibiki]

i got the same feeling from them
it was overall still a significant scum overall read
VOTE: tuxedomask

[crypto]

ok, i've read the thread now.

unvote. vote: tuxedomask

[crypto]

8. crypto(no content, doesn't have an avatar and his posting style bothers me... and what he has posted has not seemed very pro-town)

i had an avatar but mith wiped it for being a gif that flashed colors even though it wasn't even bad. i bet umbrage or kublai khan or some other vindictive shut-in piece of shit reported it

[Coron]

Have you considered adding anything to the thread other than your vote.

[crypto]

i've been flatlining this game but if you think i haven't posted content you're not worth talking to

also coron hasn't actually said anything particularly town so if everyone would not forget all about his slot that would be cool

[Coron]

sach for town maybe

redtail happening to stumble upon the only person already being voted doesn't inspire confidence

i'm kind of paranoid that petapan is scum and trying to muddy the waters as much as possible and if that's what he's doing then he's doing a pretty good job

unvote
vote: synaesthesia

i'll go back to redtail if interest in his lynch decisively increases

is the only post I've found that could really be consider having any content.

I am challenging you to do more than just say X is scum let's vote X.

[petapan]

he's decidedly not a towntell but he gets a pass for today because i'm not sure deadjoker would try to faildistance like that

[crypto]

I am challenging you to do more than just say X is scum let's vote X.

challenge declined

[RobertMontana]

Fucking content inc. Majority of this is analysing whether there is a TuxedoMask + Deadjoker (+ ?) scum team.

petapan - That's what I've been trying to figure out. His RC was not countered, and as you stated earlier jailkeeper is one of the more popular PR, why would scum fake claim a role they know that is likely to exist? The only way this makes sense is that he figured he was going to get lynched, and thus wanted to flush out the jailkeeper before getting hammered. Admittedly that is pretty far fetched, but he stated he is exasperated which makes it plausible for me. So I think there is a good possibility he is scum.

Early post from DJ suggesting red is scum. His first response to red's claim. Possible bussing but I think it should be kept in mind.

*strolls through the town, determined to oust the evil from this poor fishing village*

Fear not, bretheren and fair maidens. After careful analysis, I have decided to bequeath my reads upon you all.

Town: Sach, denisatp
Slight Town: crypto, redtail
Slight Scum: Hibiki, Projectmatt, Satire
Scum: Synasthesia

Petapan and the lurkers have escaped the all-seeing eyes of my judgment for now

*disappears in a puff of smoke and a wave of cloak*

Completely ignored Deadjoker. Did not even include him in his postcript as a null read. Wanted to pass him off as essentially a lurker, but then he included others in the list who had not posted much (Syn, Projectmatt, Hibiki).

My sincerest apologies to our most esteemed game master, for voting in the wrong format.

VOTE: Synaesthesia

deni - red claimed a PR that went unchallenged. His lynch isn't going down today.

VOTE: Synaesthesia I am not buying into his defense, too much AtE for my liking.

Same wagon.

Satire:

I don't like crypto and petapan for their gimmick which did nothing but stall the game right outside of RVS and almost certainly exposed a PR. However, despite its failure, my gut tells me it was town motivated, to get the game out of RVS and get reactions.

Projectmatt remains on my radar for his seeming willingness to call Red town yet leave him at L-1. I see very little town motivation in that, especially when the wagon is on an unchallenged PR. I know he clarified later on, but I find it difficult to believe a town would gamble on something like that.

Deni is either bad town for his tunneling or bad scum trying to rekindle a wagon that rightly fell apart at its wheels. Time will tell soon enough.

Red is town until proven otherwise.

Satire, you seem genuine enough in your posting. Town read thus far on you.

The rest are either slightly townish or null and not noteworthy at this point.

Everyone:

Lists of "here is who I think is town and here who i think is scummy" without any explanation behind the analysis is a waste of electricity. Put down reasons, or I'm going to send you my next electric bill.

Also does not include Tuxedo on list but rather relegates him to the others who are "slightly townish or null". I tend to think that a scum implying someone is slightly townish is not helpful to their cause.

Nah. He's using Riddler logic. I'm pre-conditioned to think of it as null.

Tuxedo - explain riddler logic.

It's really obvious that your justification for red being town makes 100% perfect logical sense to you. It's also really obvious that no one else has any idea what the hell you're talking about and how it could possibly logically make red town.

Most people see it as scummy. I see it as you being genuine but having no idea how to express your reads, while also being convinced that everyone else should understand what you're saying.

That said, thinking red is town isn't a tell one way or the other to me, since I don't think it's a buddy-tell like peta does.

Defending DJ. Justifying his play as bad rather than scum. I find this scummy as, apart from the obvious reason of defence, it seems that Tuxedo essentially ignored the possibility of DJ as scum. As stated before, DJ was not on Tuxedo's list of townreads, but this post reads as though he is already cleared. To put it another way, this post would make sense if Tuxedo had already claimed a town read on DJ. Given that he flat ignored him earlier, it is strange that there is no equivocation.

Honestly at this point I'm inclined to lynch away from the both of them, although red's absence isn't exactly doing him any favors.

Tries to dissipate the power of the 1v1 between Red and DJ. I think this would point away from all 3 of them being scum. However it makes perfect sense if DJ and Tuxedo are scum. 50-50 shot of his scumbuddy being lynched, and even if they lynched the townie instead, DJ would be punlic enemy number 1 for D2 lynch. Buddies red into looking for a new wagon. Given that both the red and syn wagons already failed, he would be aware that the mood of this game would allow for wagons to stall. He needed a new target..

I don't want to lynch project while his internet is out, but that's mostly friend bias and I can still be talked into it.

Syn is still an alright choice, and so are Robert, Hibiki, and Satire. I have at least a slight townread on everyone else (guy who hasn't posted is obviously excluded). A Satire lynch won't happen because I'm alone on that read and I know Hibiki is capable of participating more and would hope some votes might get him to towntell.

wait a sec but you unvoted synaesthesia

Yeah I pussied out of the vote and I honestly don't feel comfortable leaving a vote up until everyone has participated.

Also red is hard town due to his attitude since he's claimed, he seems to know he isn't going to be CC'd in spite of the fact someone hasn't talked. Also, softpushing on Sach as mafia would be the dumbest possible thing since no one wants to lynch her. Re-evaluating based on red being hard town makes me more inclined to a deadjoker lynch.

Satire is probably town and I'm probably reading too much into his tryhard attitude towards the game because I'm dismissing all pre-conceived meta, but I'm not willing to call him hard town yet.

red denis and peta are hard town. crypto and sach soft town. satire null leaning town. syn deadjoker pj hibiki robert all still good lynches. not willing/able to truly PoE it out until everyone's talked, so I'll just sit on my hands like a baby for now.

So in the first post, Tuxedo goes back to the syn wagon, which he himself derailed. Derailing that wagon was likely an attempt to seem more town in a game where neither he nor DJ had come under any suspicion at that point. Given the volatility since that point, he thought it was okay to go back to it. He then got called out on going back to the wagon and realised there was no reason to say Syn and not others. So he chucked out a participation excuse and then 4 more names out there (hiding in there DJ, even though he didn't want to vote him just before).

On one hand, I hate peta's attitude towards the 1v1 because he seems way too sure he isn't gonna be killed tonight.

On the other, this sort of frustration on day 1 bleeds town to me

On the rarely used 3rd hand, peta is obvtown and since this is a 1v1 get raped idiot VOTE: RobertMontata

Jumping on board the wagon against me as a useful alternative. Tried to justify why it was a good idea to participate in the 1v1 but got tied up I think, especially when you contrast it with his desire to "lynch away" from the red v DJ 1v1.

if you're arguing that there's 1 town in redtail/robert my money is on redtail

this vote stays

i typed up a response to robert's attack on my reads and then realized i didn't care because he's scum, if anyone else wants me to explain a particular read they can feel free to ask.

This post is fucking retarded. He

typed up a response

but then deleted it. What townie would do that? I don't write stuff up and then delete it, simply because at the very worst, it will be a bad call. The only reason you delete what you write is because you are afraid of giving away tells against you, meaning scum. This post is horribly anti-town.

i was talking about how you defending deadjoker looks like shit now that he's flipped scum

also your lynch suggestions sucked until you decided to include deadjoker into 1 of 4

anyway i'm vt

my list of lynch suggestions was everyone who wasnt obvious town

also deadjoker was always in my lynch

pool so idk how i was defending him other than saying i'd rather lynch someone else first

also robert isnt town and redtail is and i almost want to start a redtail wagon so i can gloat when he flips town

Lynch all liars.

DJ was not always in Tuxedo's lynch pool. As shown above, he ignored the possibility of DJ scum in his tells post, and then defended him with the "riddler logic" exchange. AND THEN defended him again by suggesting moving away from the red vs. DJ lynch. 3 strikes bitch.

[Coron]

If I lynched all liars I would have to lynch at least 4 players in this game.

[RobertMontana]

Caveat to that: That post is prone to tunnelling and confirmation bias. I've argued it as if assured of Tuxedo's war crimes, but my main point is to show there is good evidence. That is to say, obviously not assured but I think there's some pretty sexy evidence.

[Hibiki]

lynch all liars is a lame policy but ill roll with it cuz he's scum

you're kind of reaching though

[RobertMontana]

lynch all liars is a lame policy but ill roll with it cuz he's scum

you're kind of reaching though

Point is more, rewriting the narrative so that he was always on the DJ wagon as opposed to one of his defenders is scummy. Lynch because the lie is scummy rather than on the principle that he is lying. Comprende?

[Coron]

lynch all liars is a lame policy but ill roll with it cuz he's scum

you're kind of reaching though

Point is more, rewriting the narrative so that he was always on the DJ wagon as opposed to one of his defenders is scummy. Lynch because the lie is scummy rather than on the principle that he is lying. Comprende?

I'm for lynch all scum. Not really for lynch all liars. You should brand yourself appropriately.

[satire]

Hi.

he's decidedly not a towntell but he gets a pass for today because i'm not sure deadjoker would try to faildistance like that

Wouldn't surprise me given his contradictory waffling on the redtail wagon (more on this later), but I actually don't think he was. I just got back though and am in the middle of typing a post outlining my thoughts on who are unlikely to be partnered with deadjoker.

[Hibiki]

lynch all liars is a lame policy but ill roll with it cuz he's scum

you're kind of reaching though

Point is more, rewriting the narrative so that he was always on the DJ wagon as opposed to one of his defenders is scummy. Lynch because the lie is scummy rather than on the principle that he is lying. Comprende?

well sure but that's not lynch all liars that's lynch all scummy liars

[crypto]

Fucking content inc. Majority of this is analysing whether there is a TuxedoMask + Deadjoker (+ ?) scum team.

petapan - That's what I've been trying to figure out. His RC was not countered, and as you stated earlier jailkeeper is one of the more popular PR, why would scum fake claim a role they know that is likely to exist? The only way this makes sense is that he figured he was going to get lynched, and thus wanted to flush out the jailkeeper before getting hammered. Admittedly that is pretty far fetched, but he stated he is exasperated which makes it plausible for me. So I think there is a good possibility he is scum.

Early post from DJ suggesting red is scum. His first response to red's claim. Possible bussing but I think it should be kept in mind.

*strolls through the town, determined to oust the evil from this poor fishing village*

Fear not, bretheren and fair maidens. After careful analysis, I have decided to bequeath my reads upon you all.

Town: Sach, denisatp
Slight Town: crypto, redtail
Slight Scum: Hibiki, Projectmatt, Satire
Scum: Synasthesia

Petapan and the lurkers have escaped the all-seeing eyes of my judgment for now

*disappears in a puff of smoke and a wave of cloak*

Completely ignored Deadjoker. Did not even include him in his postcript as a null read. Wanted to pass him off as essentially a lurker, but then he included others in the list who had not posted much (Syn, Projectmatt, Hibiki).

My sincerest apologies to our most esteemed game master, for voting in the wrong format.

VOTE: Synaesthesia

deni - red claimed a PR that went unchallenged. His lynch isn't going down today.

VOTE: Synaesthesia I am not buying into his defense, too much AtE for my liking.

Same wagon.

Satire:

I don't like crypto and petapan for their gimmick which did nothing but stall the game right outside of RVS and almost certainly exposed a PR. However, despite its failure, my gut tells me it was town motivated, to get the game out of RVS and get reactions.

Projectmatt remains on my radar for his seeming willingness to call Red town yet leave him at L-1. I see very little town motivation in that, especially when the wagon is on an unchallenged PR. I know he clarified later on, but I find it difficult to believe a town would gamble on something like that.

Deni is either bad town for his tunneling or bad scum trying to rekindle a wagon that rightly fell apart at its wheels. Time will tell soon enough.

Red is town until proven otherwise.

Satire, you seem genuine enough in your posting. Town read thus far on you.

The rest are either slightly townish or null and not noteworthy at this point.

Everyone:

Lists of "here is who I think is town and here who i think is scummy" without any explanation behind the analysis is a waste of electricity. Put down reasons, or I'm going to send you my next electric bill.

Also does not include Tuxedo on list but rather relegates him to the others who are "slightly townish or null". I tend to think that a scum implying someone is slightly townish is not helpful to their cause.

Nah. He's using Riddler logic. I'm pre-conditioned to think of it as null.

Tuxedo - explain riddler logic.

It's really obvious that your justification for red being town makes 100% perfect logical sense to you. It's also really obvious that no one else has any idea what the hell you're talking about and how it could possibly logically make red town.

Most people see it as scummy. I see it as you being genuine but having no idea how to express your reads, while also being convinced that everyone else should understand what you're saying.

That said, thinking red is town isn't a tell one way or the other to me, since I don't think it's a buddy-tell like peta does.

Defending DJ. Justifying his play as bad rather than scum. I find this scummy as, apart from the obvious reason of defence, it seems that Tuxedo essentially ignored the possibility of DJ as scum. As stated before, DJ was not on Tuxedo's list of townreads, but this post reads as though he is already cleared. To put it another way, this post would make sense if Tuxedo had already claimed a town read on DJ. Given that he flat ignored him earlier, it is strange that there is no equivocation.

Honestly at this point I'm inclined to lynch away from the both of them, although red's absence isn't exactly doing him any favors.

Tries to dissipate the power of the 1v1 between Red and DJ. I think this would point away from all 3 of them being scum. However it makes perfect sense if DJ and Tuxedo are scum. 50-50 shot of his scumbuddy being lynched, and even if they lynched the townie instead, DJ would be punlic enemy number 1 for D2 lynch. Buddies red into looking for a new wagon. Given that both the red and syn wagons already failed, he would be aware that the mood of this game would allow for wagons to stall. He needed a new target..

I don't want to lynch project while his internet is out, but that's mostly friend bias and I can still be talked into it.

Syn is still an alright choice, and so are Robert, Hibiki, and Satire. I have at least a slight townread on everyone else (guy who hasn't posted is obviously excluded). A Satire lynch won't happen because I'm alone on that read and I know Hibiki is capable of participating more and would hope some votes might get him to towntell.

wait a sec but you unvoted synaesthesia

Yeah I pussied out of the vote and I honestly don't feel comfortable leaving a vote up until everyone has participated.

Also red is hard town due to his attitude since he's claimed, he seems to know he isn't going to be CC'd in spite of the fact someone hasn't talked. Also, softpushing on Sach as mafia would be the dumbest possible thing since no one wants to lynch her. Re-evaluating based on red being hard town makes me more inclined to a deadjoker lynch.

Satire is probably town and I'm probably reading too much into his tryhard attitude towards the game because I'm dismissing all pre-conceived meta, but I'm not willing to call him hard town yet.

red denis and peta are hard town. crypto and sach soft town. satire null leaning town. syn deadjoker pj hibiki robert all still good lynches. not willing/able to truly PoE it out until everyone's talked, so I'll just sit on my hands like a baby for now.

So in the first post, Tuxedo goes back to the syn wagon, which he himself derailed. Derailing that wagon was likely an attempt to seem more town in a game where neither he nor DJ had come under any suspicion at that point. Given the volatility since that point, he thought it was okay to go back to it. He then got called out on going back to the wagon and realised there was no reason to say Syn and not others. So he chucked out a participation excuse and then 4 more names out there (hiding in there DJ, even though he didn't want to vote him just before).

On one hand, I hate peta's attitude towards the 1v1 because he seems way too sure he isn't gonna be killed tonight.

On the other, this sort of frustration on day 1 bleeds town to me

On the rarely used 3rd hand, peta is obvtown and since this is a 1v1 get raped idiot VOTE: RobertMontata

Jumping on board the wagon against me as a useful alternative. Tried to justify why it was a good idea to participate in the 1v1 but got tied up I think, especially when you contrast it with his desire to "lynch away" from the red v DJ 1v1.

if you're arguing that there's 1 town in redtail/robert my money is on redtail

this vote stays

i typed up a response to robert's attack on my reads and then realized i didn't care because he's scum, if anyone else wants me to explain a particular read they can feel free to ask.

This post is fucking retarded. He

typed up a response

but then deleted it. What townie would do that? I don't write stuff up and then delete it, simply because at the very worst, it will be a bad call. The only reason you delete what you write is because you are afraid of giving away tells against you, meaning scum. This post is horribly anti-town.

i was talking about how you defending deadjoker looks like shit now that he's flipped scum

also your lynch suggestions sucked until you decided to include deadjoker into 1 of 4

anyway i'm vt

my list of lynch suggestions was everyone who wasnt obvious town

also deadjoker was always in my lynch

pool so idk how i was defending him other than saying i'd rather lynch someone else first

also robert isnt town and redtail is and i almost want to start a redtail wagon so i can gloat when he flips town

Lynch all liars.

DJ was not always in Tuxedo's lynch pool. As shown above, he ignored the possibility of DJ scum in his tells post, and then defended him with the "riddler logic" exchange. AND THEN defended him again by suggesting moving away from the red vs. DJ lynch. 3 strikes bitch.

there's a post i'm not gonna read

[Hibiki]

why are you being such a no-effort crypto its not exactly a bad game

[denisatp]

why are you being such a no-effort crypto its not exactly a bad game

and stalin wasn't exactly a bad guy

[petapan]

this game owns, actually. crypto's just being crypto.

[Coron]

Crypto should be glad he didn't play 7 years ago. That post wasn't even that long.

[crypto]

idk i've been pretty bored this game but it probably doesn't help that i've been relatively busy to the point where i don't want to put effort into forum games

p-edit: i've played enough

[denisatp]

this game owns, actually. crypto's just being crypto.

willing to bet one account deletion that town loses