NY 154: Return to Boring Town - Game Over

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vote: visceraeyes

the guy he replaced was mad scummy

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unvote, vote: salamence

to the moon!

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unvote, vote: prescending

new world record for fastest scum lynch

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page three hammer on the godfather, one for the record books

17 player game, 2 scum down, most likely 2 scum left. i'm calling salamence and empking right now, with more certainty on empking. he entirely ignored the already burgeoning prescending wagon on his entry to the game yesterday and instead spent his time undermining other people's townreads and uselessly sparring with now confirmed town ve. his vote on me looks like it was preplanned overnight.
there are good reasons to think sal is scum (including pres chainsaw defending him by voting me for my vote on him) but he also kept his vote on and called for a pres lynch at l-1 when he could have just as easily derailed the wagon, thus my higher certainty on emp.

vote: empking

will switch to sal if its the will of the mob

viscera, nhammen and mcqueen should basically be considered confirmed town. moi too if sal flips scum.

@emp, what about his interaction with me don't you like, specifically, and what about the vc is eyebrow raising, specifically.

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emp, he quoted my vote for sal and voted me, a pretty strong indication that my vote for sal was his reason for voting me. i know you're not this dumb.

vel, really, what about 99 is omgusy? my reasons are very clear. and what about my hammer don't you like exactly?

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nevermind, i forgot talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

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Adding to my town reads, Velazanth is at the top.

what exactly in either of his posts do you find so town that he is your top town read?

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empking is pretty much the king of the strawman fallacy

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you pick out the easiest point to respond to and ignore the rest every single time. so this time i will ask you directly.

why didn't you ever acknowledge the pres wagon on day one? at the time of your first game post he was already at 6/9 votes. you continued posting as he went all the way up to l-1 and never said a word about it.

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somebody please explain how hammering the godfather on page three is in any way a good play as scum, because lots of people seem to think so and they can't all be scum

nhammen, read empking's day one contributions in situ and tell me if you still think there's nothing to find from our day one

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empking all of your arguments are full of shit. what about the day of the lynch and his flip makes a scum connection between me and pres?

why is narrowing your suspect pool a weak tell? what is the number of posts required in a day to not ignore people?

scum are more likely to

ignore

a wagon on scum (especially a scum power role), hoping it will go away.

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thanks for trying to shut down useful discussion velazanth, you are a shining beacon of good mafia play.

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if i didn't hammer do you really think its likely the pres wagon would have made it all the way? it was only page three, how many games have you seen where the very first wagon of the game goes straight through.

shouldn't scum announce intention to hammer there and demand a claim instead?
i know emp will yell wifom but seriously

and seriously let the guy answer for himself

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I'm somewhat concerned with why he keeps bringing up rofl, and ignoring the possibility that prescending was chainsawing. Given his premise, he should be considering that a possibility as well.

(its because i was exactly right in my first post of the day and empking and sala are the two remaining scum)

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Let's break this down.

#6 (Post 0): Perfectly normal RVS vote.
#29 (Post 1): Jumps the Sala wagon third with absolutely no explanation, after my initial vote, followed by Toog.
#73 (Post 2): A nice shiny fuckin Hammer Bus.
#99 (Post 3): D2 jump into IIoA, and offers a wilting vote to the will of the mob.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

how on

earth

is that information instead of analysis. do you even understand that tell?

altogether you're just being outrageously dense, which is why i've been ignoring you and will continue ignoring you.

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I'm somewhat concerned with why he keeps bringing up rofl, and ignoring the possibility that prescending was chainsawing. Given his premise, he should be considering that a possibility as well.

(its because i was exactly right in my first post of the day and empking and sala are the two remaining scum)

This guy needs to die and when he flips scum me and empking are town

i loled

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I'm somewhat concerned with why he keeps bringing up rofl, and ignoring the possibility that prescending was chainsawing. Given his premise, he should be considering that a possibility as well.

(its because i was exactly right in my first post of the day and empking and sala are the two remaining scum)

This guy needs to die and when he flips scum me and empking are town

i loled

so according to you i'm scum because i bussed the godfather day one without pretense but anything i say today can not be distancing or bussing in any way? nice one bro

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We can't all post walls.

fallacy. you don't need to post walls to do something.

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if i end up getting lynched today i hope you all feel like idiots, and i hope ve will vig empking with great prejudice

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seriously, the king of the strawman, its amazing

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sala, i hope you in particular feel like a complete and total idiot when i flip town.

or more likely you are just scum with empking making the last desperate play you have available to you

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i am literally flabbergasted at the level of stupidity in this thread.

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it seems quite likely that i die today, which is why i'm pointing ve at empking. if i were scum he would obviously disregard this, but since i'm town i'm hoping he'll follow through and vig the scum for great justice. it helps that he's already voting emp, so he obviously agrees with the sentiment.

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well thats obviously a fakeclaim but whatever go ahead and lynch me today at least i can stop caring about all you idiots

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unvote, vote: arugula

telling pres to replace out looks like a scumpartner hoping a weak player can get replaced. plus moi's points against arug etc etc

i still want empking dead but with the claim it will work itself out in the next day or two

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i'm still willing to go back to empking if people will nut up and lynch a claimed jailkeeper, he's such obvious scum

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whatever dude. whatever.

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we should lynch arugula today. all you "information lynch" people will learn a lot more from it than a vi policy lynch. and he'll actually flip scum.

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sala you really need stop being so schizophrenic with your vote

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salamence stop saying things continue to make you look like empking's scumpartner. stop trying to direct the vig and stop trying to direct the vig away from anyone in particular. partner tell x1000

arugula votes, ready set go

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lol empking is still voting me

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^^ the l-1 vote from arugula. he probably should have mentioned that.

this is the hammer

unvote, vote: pmysterious

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ugh why would an actual jailkeeper target me last night. like, seriously, thinking about it from a jk's perspective, if i'm town scum obviously aren't going to kill me because i'm highly suspected and if i'm scum then i'm obviously not the one who's going to perform the night kill because i'm highly suspected. there is no circumstance where jailing me is the right play.

vote: empking

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and if you were really a jailkeeper scum would have murdered your face off because that role is too powerful for them to leave around. its not a good early fake claim bro.

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dude its pretty obvious that if he's a scum roleblocker he can claim to have been on me and have actually targeted whoever the fuck he pleases

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toog, you shouldn't have claimed. i understand your frustration, but still, you were nowhere near being in danger.

more empking votes would cheer me up.

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emp, why would sending me be risk averse or paranoid? isn't the scum most likely to assume that the highest visibility and suspicion level member will draw night actions, especially given the CLAIMED JAILKEEPER WAS VOTING ME ALL DAY LONG?

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i'm basing the vote on my fact that your play minus being a claimed jailkeeper still reeks of scum and the claim is the only thing keeping you alive, and now we've gone through a night with you as a claimed jailkeeper not dying.

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actually i think anyone with a brain at this point can tell that ve is probably a 1-shot who wanted to bait the night kill so your survival still looks scummy. the target bit is just added scumminess, i maintain that targeting me makes no sense as town.

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how do you feel about taking part in lynching a scum roleblocker?

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everything that got said yesterday that caused him to be wagoned til he had to claim jailkeeper

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Vote Count 9

Salamence20 - 1( Arugula)
roflcopter - 3(Empking, Tangion, Velazanth, Toogeloo)
Empking - 5(roflcopter, MagnaOfIllusion, VisceraEyes, PMysterious,

Salamence20

)
MagnaOfIllusion - 1(mcqueen)
ToonFighter - 1 (nhammen)
PMysterious - 2(McStab, Toon Fighter)

Not Voting - 0()

14 alive, takes 8 to lynch

Prodding Velazanth and VisceraEyes; Tangion gets prodded tomorrow from VLA

a wagon that you were on, perhaps you remember why you were voting him?

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oh my god just lynch empking already i've been saying the exact same thing that mcstab just concluded since yesterday

his partner is arugula, there, easy, done, lets get this thing finishes

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vote: arugula

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uh, i was wrong? it happens.

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i think MoI is scum

if moi is scum its with arugula

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if ve is an sk it can be dealt with once we've killed 4 mafia, then it will become obvious (if the game doesn't just end)

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arugula is scum more votes please

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on day two moi was quick to point to arugula as the only conceivable pres busser, but now that a viable arugula wagon could be formed he's making excuses and not placing a vote. noting for posterity.

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arugula-salamence

arugula-moi

one of these configurations is the remaining scum

it would be nice if our confirmed town players would do something (anything?) but i'm not holding my breath

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magna what was your reaction to reading my most recent post

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I'm mainly hesitant on this wagon because I think it's scum motivated. Don't get me wrong, Arugula could very well be scum, and I think lynching him is justifiable, but my number one suspect for scum right now is Sala, who's been pushing this wagon hard for a loooooonnnnggg time. If Arugula flips scum though, I think it clears Sala, this would've been the hardest multi-day bussing ever seen.

incorrect. sala has said over and over he thinks arugula is scum, but he starts each day with a not-arugula vote. textbook distancing. the only reason he's voting arugula is because he's being brow beaten into it.

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somebody hammer this scum

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for great justice

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v/la because of 4 days and counting without power due to hurricane isaac, i'll be back when the lights come on

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moi did you at any point breadcrumb your role?

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breadcrumbs aren't necessarily meant to be found before a claim, they're just something that can be referred back to when you do claim as further confirmation

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i'm a vt

fos: inte

what you quoted was nothing more than mafia theory. it is pretty much the least alignment-indicative thing i've said all game. buddy moar harder.

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it wasn't a three person scumteam. thats not a fruitful theory. what moi said on the subject covers it.

at this point i believe moi's claim.

vote: inte

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@both of you, what happens when i flip town?

appeal to fear detected

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Oh good, lets break this game.

If there are 4 scum:

Lynch ROFL.
If Scum, one of Inte/McStab is scum.
If Town, both McStab/Inte die.

If there are 3 scum:

ROFL is conf-town, due to being JK.
Lynch Inte today, McStab tomorrow.

We lose if VE is a SK, or MoI was lying, both of which is unlikely.

Discuss.

your plan still causes the town to lose if you are scum so no thanks

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rofl, what makes you believe MoI's claim

post 692

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qft everything moi just said

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nice confirmation bias sal

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rofl, what makes you believe MoI's claim

post 692

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what about it makes you believe his claim?

Godfather / Rolecop / Roleblocker / Goon versus Cop / Vig / Jailkeeper / Tracker doesn’t look balanced to me. I would expect Town to have some other way to defend the non-JK Power-roles since a JK effective neuters them. Or / and possibly a

Town Bulletproof

/ Bomb / SuperSaint / Vengeful / Commuter as another counter. Especially if Viscera is 1-shot.

prominently featured in first position of his list of uncommon town roles he's speculating on

this game has devolved into four people shouting past each other, we need people who aren't me moi inte and sala to say things.

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ok i think its inte and mcstab

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havingfitz makes a good case on magna...

decisions, decisions

i still think inte/mcstab scumteam is the most likely scenario

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mcstab you've been on one town wagon because you've only voted three people

all game

(sala, pmyst, toogeloo) so your defense is horribly self-serving

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ok its definitely inte/mcstab

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inte/mcstab it could not be more obvious

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it just seems to me like if there's going to be any mislynch today the potential for moi being a mislynch is the absolute worst case scenario heading into lylo tomorrow

i get the arguments against him and his wagon is all town but everything inte or mcstab posts makes the scumpair so obvious i can't bring myself to switch wagons

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i've given my opinion a dozen times by now. i can't lynch you by myself. i'm waiting for other people to see the light and vote you or present a compelling reason for me to vote someone else.

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unvote

i'm beginning to think its actually mcstab/moi, look out jumpy mcstab gets as moi starts racking up votes again

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not voting right now because i want rc's input before the day ends

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ebwop "look how jumpy" not "look out jumpy" i should stop smoking so much dope

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Posting to say I'm very pissed off that the Mod didn't have mcqueen dead in the OP. Like, really pissed off. Because that could've saved me a lot of time. I'm almost done. Reading over the last day now.

we share a pet peeve for un-updated first posts

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sweet jesus what a breath of fresh air that post was

The mcqueen kill was completely out of line. This strongly leads me to think that Sal's incompetence, McStab's absence, or inte's ignorance/arrogance had a hand in this kill. I really have a hard time accepting MoI having a hand in this kill. But we're faced with a recent third quandary...

i really hadn't considered the thought process behind why mcqueen was killed but now that you bring it up i agree its a kill that moi is not likely to have consented to (and we know there's no gf with scum-nightkill-veto-override abilities left either).

MoI's wagon was not hammered by inte or McStab (or rofl, but I don't count him). Both McStab and inte were here. They both checked in and knew MoI was at L-1.

mildly troubling, but i could see scum shying away from the moi hammer because of the (at least in their own head) strong likelihood that whoever hammered town-bulletproof-moi would be strung up immediately the following day.

i have been really torn on moi since fitz' entrance into the game. on the one hand, his claim holds water based on what you mentioned regarding occam's razor and moi's prior references to a bulletproof town possibly balancing this setup, which was what led me to originally believe it. then there is also the mcqueen kill as evidence for moi's towniness. not to mention he's the only one who's made any god damn sense half the time this game.
on the other hand though the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that moi is basically forced by burden of proficiency and his "has been killed night 1" title (i wonder if he regrets getting that in hindsight? i could see it becoming an argument against him as scum or used against him by scum more than just in this game) to claim something that explains why on god's green earth he's still alive in an endgame as tumultuous as this.

but really, i've been pretty dead set on inte-mcstab in the recent short-term, and i like your shortlist of mcstab-inte-sala as the group that must contain the remaining two scum. lynching moi would be giving in to paranoia, not real scumhunting. so lead the way and i'll vote any of those three you're keen to lynch first.

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the fact that moi is active in other threads but totally missing in this one recently is really starting to make me paranoid

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well i've got all three of you guys on /ignore until redcoyote makes a decision

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doing the honors

vote: magnaofillusion

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Thank god I can be released from this clusterfuck.

Good work all - yet another Town power-role lynch over scum!

good work going inactive when you were needed most!

nvm i'll just qft redcoyote's post

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vote: mcstab

selective scumhunting is still a real tell, if it weren't already obvious enough

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gg all

no hard feelings sal

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yeah sal as a note of constructive criticism, you had more than 2x as many posts as anyone else in the game, it really clutters up the thread and i (and others, i think) tend to find spammy players scummy