Micro 28: Kingmaker Game Over

Empking · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:34 pm

Do we want the King to claim now?

Empking · Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:57 am

In post 17, Klick wrote:obvious king was obvious

lol

Yeah, I agree on utc being scum.

Empking · Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:13 am

In post 27, uctriton00 wrote:And Klick and Empking, why do you not like my idea of voting?

It'll mislead us since we won't be really voting. I also trust Nacho more than the rest of us.

Empking · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:17 am

In post 29, uctriton00 wrote:If RVS can get the ball rolling in a standard format, I don't know why RVS can't work in this game. The King needs reads to work off of.

RVS gives us something to focus on. We already have something to focus on: You.

Empking · Post Post #35 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:34 am

In post 32, MaverickMaestro wrote:
In post 28, Empking wrote:
In post 27, uctriton00 wrote:And Klick and Empking, why do you not like my idea of voting?

It'll mislead us since we won't be really voting.
I also trust Nacho more than the rest of us.

Explain.

If he's town then I trust him to execute scum better than we are to vote them. If he's scum then he'll know his scum mate an we might be able to gather info from that.

To post ^^ : I think that not talking about the alignment of the king keeps the scum more ignorant when choosing night targets; since they won't be lynched anyway I consider that a good thing.

Empking · Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:41 am

Mod: We can claim our pinks right?

Empking · Post Post #39 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 am

^^ Pinks should be picks.

In post 38, MaverickMaestro wrote:You didn't really answer my question, what makes him suited to that role, and how does him knowing his scum mates tell us anything, why do either of the points make him more trustworthy?

Nacho is a really good player.

Empking · Post Post #45 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:03 am

In post 40, MaverickMaestro wrote:
In post 39, Empking wrote:
In post 38, MaverickMaestro wrote:You didn't really answer my question, what makes him suited to that role, and how does him knowing his scum mates tell us anything, why do either of the points make him more trustworthy?

Nacho is a really good player.

And? What makes that any more trustworthy?

In the same way that you'd trust the succesful surgeon to give you a heart bypass rather than the med student.

Klick: I expect so, the top two were as clear as day.

Empking · Post Post #52 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:32 am

In post 50, uctriton00 wrote:Outing the king means the scum will pay zero attention to what the non Kings think, and won't respond to any kind of pressure.

Changing natural scumplay to be as far from natural town play is a good thing. It makes it much more difficult to be scum.

Empking · Post Post #56 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:34 am

In post 55, guille2015 wrote:I am for the King to stay quiet until it is time for them to execute. The king is not guaranteed to be town, so there are no big disadvantages to get outed. However, the King can make real hammer pressure on players and if the King is town, mafia would have to be careful who they piss off. Makes it easier to point them out.

Town play: Be nice to everyone, they're probably on your team.
Scum play: By nice to everyone they might be the king OR be nice to XXX he's the king.

Whice of the last two choices makes the scum easier to spot?

Empking · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:38 am

p.sure Guile is scum. Also, utc. Which means I trust Nacho even more.

Empking · Post Post #78 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:37 am

I say we claim our picks now.

Empking · Post Post #79 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:37 am

Uct going first.

Empking · Post Post #89 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:07 pm

In post 88, uctriton00 wrote:The rest are all speculations of the setup, i.e. who the King is.

Name a singsle speculation of the setup (note: Who the king is isn't speculation of the set up since it was player decided. Talking about player's action is pretty darn close to the opposite of speculations of the setup.)

Empking · Post Post #91 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:50 am

In post 90, uctriton00 wrote:Talking about "who the king is" is not helping us get a good lynch/execution candidate.

Yes it is.

Well, your lying and your refusal to be useful and just your general mien makes you look scum.

Empking · Post Post #94 (isolation #15) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:54 am

In post 92, guille2015 wrote:@Klick and Empking: I find the idea of revealing the picks interesting, but I am thinking of it one way. Let's see if we match. Why were you interested in that.

Scum picks are different from town picks. If scum lied they might trip up, if scum tell the truth then they might have scummy picks.

Empking · Post Post #95 (isolation #16) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:59 am

In post 92, guille2015 wrote:Knowing who the king is doesn't particularly help us. I think it is actually wasted discussion.

I disagree with thid because it's given me a strong town read on Klick.

Empking · Post Post #98 (isolation #17) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:25 am

In post 97, guille2015 wrote:
In post 95, Empking wrote:
In post 92, guille2015 wrote:Knowing who the king is doesn't particularly help us. I think it is actually wasted discussion.

I disagree with thid because it's given me a strong town read on Klick.

That doesn't make sense. Knowing who the king is and knowing who everyone voted for are two different things even though the latter also reveals the King.

The discussion of whether to reveal the king wasn't wasted because it helped my reads. That is a setence that I'll stand by.

Empking · Post Post #100 (isolation #18) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:20 am

In post 81, Battousai wrote:
New Rule: You may not say or hint at who you picked for King. I can discuss this after game.

Empking · Post Post #104 (isolation #19) » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:43 am

I would prefer for you to kill Guile because he looks to me to be writing far more than he is saying in order to produce the illusion of towniness.

Empking · Post Post #124 (isolation #20) » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:51 am

Unless there's a counterclaim I don't want to risk Nacho and would like us to kill Utc instead rather than Guile.

Empking · Post Post #126 (isolation #21) » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:26 am

I agree with the second paraphraph and strongly disagree with the third.

Empking · Post Post #139 (isolation #22) » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:19 am

In post 136, Nachomamma8 wrote:interesting. I don't think that it would be a good move for guile scum to fakeclaim hero if his partner was under a lot of fire (uct). for that reason, I kind of want to elect uct as king and have him execute guile tomorrow, even though he's almost certainly a lying fucking scumbag.

meaning today I would like to execute lurker ireland.

My thinking was that Utc was the best candidate for hitting the Hero but I'd rather have him killed today. A righteous policy lynch (AI) seems to best placed to test Guile than the purely scummy Utc. I trust AI more to follow the plan essentialy wheras Utc would probably simply get in an extra scum kill.

Actually, to be frank I'd like to volunteer to test Guile. I'm probably not the super town-reads but I can trust myself absolutely so I think that's be the best way forward (but obviously I have no idea what it looks like from a town non-me POV.)

Empking · Post Post #154 (isolation #23) » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:48 am

AI just claimed scum. As in literally.

Empking · Post Post #158 (isolation #24) » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:41 pm

In post 156, RXK wrote:Assassins can vote. I feel like he indirectly outed himself as a PR or he didn't read his role PM very well.

Assassins do not have a player-vote just a faction-vote. Assassins can't vote. The Assassin faction can.

Empking · Post Post #171 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:33 am

In post 167, Nachomamma8 wrote:does anyone except for AI lack the ability to vote for a king?

His assassin buddies.

Empking · Post Post #201 (isolation #26) » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:13 am

I don't think allowing the scum to decide whether they want to keep our King pick or not.

Empking · Post Post #215 (isolation #27) » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:59 am

AI: I don't think allowing the scum to decide whether they want to keep our King pick or not is a good idea.

Empking · Post Post #233 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:21 am

So, Utc, kill Guile.

Empking · Post Post #255 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:36 am

In post 254, uctriton00 wrote:2. Would everyone be ok if I execute Empking or Maverick instead

No. You were elected to kill Guille so kill Guille.

Empking · Post Post #261 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:46 am

In post 260, uctriton00 wrote:
b. They die and flip scum
- I come off as a hero.

1. This bit isn't really true.
2. Part of me wants to volunteer for dweath so we can have you killed tomorrow. If you're scum then you're not going to get out of it (but you're right that you should try.)

Empking · Post Post #262 (isolation #31) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:47 am

If you are scum then this 10 day deadline is going to be very annoying.

Empking · Post Post #268 (isolation #32) » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:26 pm

Scum'll kill a townie either way.

Empking · Post Post #276 (isolation #33) » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:48 am

As I said D1 and forgot D2: AI is scum. All town players elect the king.

Empking · Post Post #280 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:02 am

In post 279, guille2015 wrote:The problem of course is the whole voting thing. From what I can tell he claimed villager and that he does not vote. Scum do vote, but their vote is pooled as 1 vote. Shouldn't scum be aware of the voting mechanic for every role?

Not if they didnn't read the first posts.

Empking · Post Post #282 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:13 am

In post 281, RXK wrote:and tbh empking you said you were sure guile was scum so i'm not exactly trusting your judgement on what and what isn't scum or not

When? (I honestly don't remember).

I think that if AI confirmed without voting you would have been informed of his error,

if he was town

; if his scumbuddy sent in the one vote then it'd be fine and accepted.

Empking · Post Post #283 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:14 am

In post 104, Empking wrote:I would prefer for you to kill Guile because he looks to me to be writing far more than he is saying in order to produce the illusion of towniness.

This is my "guille is scum" post and it doesn't sound awfully sure.

Empking · Post Post #285 (isolation #37) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:45 am

In post 284, RXK wrote:
In post 69, Empking wrote:p.sure Guile is scum. Also, utc. Which means I trust Nacho even more.

p. sure is miles away from sure!

So, I finally know what it's like to have been wrong about a suspect. Goodness, it doesn't feel good.

Empking · Post Post #288 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:53 am

In post 287, RXK wrote:i am not impressed by empking, really, and i would go so far as to say his play has been detrimental- bad reads and sheeping does not makea successful townie.

Who did I sheep? P. sure I was the first to suspect Guille and suspected Utc before most people. My reads may have been wrong, but in a way that negatively hurt the town? Not really.

Empking · Post Post #290 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:00 pm

In post 289, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm not so sure you were first with that guile scumread

You are correct.