Micro 28: Kingmaker Game Over

[Battousai]

As the sun rises over the horizon, so do 5 players.

MaverickMaestro -Town Crier- Has been killed N2

It is now Day 4. The King has been given word of your support. Deadline is 10 days from this post ((expired on 2012-10-11 18:40:00)).

[Empking]

As I said D1 and forgot D2: AI is scum. All town players elect the king.

[RXK]

from what i understand in post 192 he didn't try to vote and we never really did get a confirmation on whether he voted/his vote counted for uctriton or not.

AI - did you send in a vote during the night? if so, whom?

[Nachomamma8]

I can't say I can see AI as scum right now.

[guille2015]

AI has little the entire game. But that is a null tell for him. In his post #121, he got convinced I was scum by Rach. Not something I see AI scum doing.

The problem of course is the whole voting thing. From what I can tell he claimed villager and that he does not vote. Scum do vote, but their vote is pooled as 1 vote. Shouldn't scum be aware of the voting mechanic for every role?

[Empking]

The problem of course is the whole voting thing. From what I can tell he claimed villager and that he does not vote. Scum do vote, but their vote is pooled as 1 vote. Shouldn't scum be aware of the voting mechanic for every role?

Not if they didnn't read the first posts.

[RXK]

"reading your role PM and not the first posts that

show the role PMs

" isn't as much as a scumtell as it is just being dumb.

and tbh empking you said you were sure guile was scum so i'm not exactly trusting your judgement on what and what isn't scum or not

but again we don't know for sure until we know if AI even sent a vote or not the previous two nights (I forgot to ask the last day because Uctriton was doing his whole thing)

and even then we don't know unless the mod steps and confirms if his role sent a vote in or not.

[Empking]

and tbh empking you said you were sure guile was scum so i'm not exactly trusting your judgement on what and what isn't scum or not

When? (I honestly don't remember).

I think that if AI confirmed without voting you would have been informed of his error,

if he was town

; if his scumbuddy sent in the one vote then it'd be fine and accepted.

[Empking]

I would prefer for you to kill Guile because he looks to me to be writing far more than he is saying in order to produce the illusion of towniness.

This is my "guille is scum" post and it doesn't sound awfully sure.

[RXK]

p.sure Guile is scum. Also, utc. Which means I trust Nacho even more.

[Empking]

p.sure Guile is scum. Also, utc. Which means I trust Nacho even more.

p. sure is miles away from sure!

So, I finally know what it's like to have been wrong about a suspect. Goodness, it doesn't feel good.

[Nachomamma8]

RXK, who do you suspect?

[RXK]

guile is confirmed town essentially.

and i don't really suspect you of anything; more or less you've carried this game.

and i am town as fuck yo

which leaves us to two guys: empking and agent_ireland.

looking through isos right now: AI's play is fairly demure. in isolation from the discussion regarding whether or not his night votes count or not (because at this point it's a discussion going around in circles). moreover i'm not going to completely wash my hands of understanding every role in the game and how they work- this is like my 3rd, 4th game onsite. we never had a kingmaker type game on the site i came from let alone night actions that are this convoluted.

but yeah: outside of the discussion regarding the votes n shit, AI has been fairly vanilla in his play and honestly a tad bit lurkish- but I will say in recent posts he has been increasingly aware as opposed to his early game "idk wtf is going on" game. In particular, I don't see scum supporting that post, in that it essentially means that as long as there is a protective role in the game they are unable to kill a player.

outside of the discussion regarding votes: empking's play i'm not super high on for a couple reasons:

-his reads all game so far have more or less been on players that flipped or were confirmed town.

-sucking up to nacho bordering on obsession

like shit, i don't believe empking had a favorable opinion on anyone except nacho, primarily because he trusted nacho more. this following behavior is seen primarily by medium-sized herbivorous creatures such as the

Ovis aries

.


i am not impressed by empking, really, and i would go so far as to say his play has been detrimental- bad reads and sheeping does not makea successful townie.

[Empking]

i am not impressed by empking, really, and i would go so far as to say his play has been detrimental- bad reads and sheeping does not makea successful townie.

Who did I sheep? P. sure I was the first to suspect Guille and suspected Utc before most people. My reads may have been wrong, but in a way that negatively hurt the town? Not really.

[Nachomamma8]

I think it's probably better for discussion if the king stays quiet for now, but I don't think it matters all that much. I have to say that I don't really care for a voting system, though. Since ultimately your votes probably won't matter so much to the king (our actual cases being the important part), votes are really only good for posturing.

Right now, I have pretty good townreads on Klick and the Reckslot and a bit on UCT, and a pretty good scumread on guile.

Since we are in twilight, I think we can still keep talking about stuff.

If Battousai allows us to bold the votes, then some of us can keep track of the votes.

If that is not allowed, we can simply go FOS: xxxx and bold that. Use that as a measure of votes.

This can read either one of two ways. First, he figured it was a reaction test and then responded like he believed it so he could actually act like he was contributing something. Second, he actually believed that UCT was executed that quickly, which in case his reaction was "oh, we can still keep talking about stuff. like keeping track of our votes!" instead of "what the fuck why did that lynch happen so quickly?".

mmmm
I'm not so sure you were first with that guile scumread

[Empking]

I'm not so sure you were first with that guile scumread

You are correct.

[Nachomamma8]

Hmmm.

Execute: Empking

I am about 90% confident in my AI read, and with guile as confirmed town, I feel really good about this vote.
RXK could still probably be scum, but I doubt it.

[Battousai]

The King has spoken! With one swing of his mighty axe, the executioner beheads Empking.

Empking -Villager- has been executed D3

It is now Night 3. Day 4 will begin Friday at this exact time.


(expired on 2012-10-05 01:25:00)

[Battousai]

As the sun rises over the horizon, so do 3 players.

guille2015 -Hero- Has been killed N3

A new King has been chosen. However, it seems this King doesn't want to kill assassins. Agent Ireland, assassin, executes the last villager, Nachomamma8. With the head of Nacho, the last of the small uprising has been eliminated, and the Raven Brotherhood can continue to dominate the region.

Nachomamma8 -Villager- has been endgamed

Agent Ireland, RXK, and RachMarie -Assassins- have won!

[Battousai]

Green Room: http://quicktopic.com/48/H/NETB5vA4tEJ

[RachMarie]

Woot we pulled it off

So Nacho why were you so sure I was scum that you executed me before I got into the swing of things


Good game all BTW. It definitely could have gone either way.

Thanks to the mod who worked so hard on keeping it all going awesome job ♥

[MaverickMaestro]

Nooooooooooo!

[Agent_Ireland]

Well that was fun, thanks for the help Nacho

[Klick]

I blame the fact that this was balanced WAY in favor of scum.

Seriously. Only one mislynch to kill three assassins.

[guille2015]

It was technically two mislynches. But yeah, this game suffered because we town didn't know how many mafia there were. If we'd known there was three, the game would have played differently. I admit, I thought about the possibility of there being 3 players when Nacho proposed his Rachmarie plan, but I failed to point it out later, hoping that I was wrong.

And Maverick, I did not play my role badly since if I had done what you said, Nacho would have attempted to kill me.

AI frustrated me. He spoke more in the Phineas and Ferb Game where we was not allowed to speak.

I really want to play another Kingmaker, because the idea is really good and the mechanics are good. Things I'd do differently is either fix the number of scum or Tie the PRs and Scum variables: More Scum = more PRs.