Open 446: C9++ (Avast! Viruses!) - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

im just sayin'

if there isn't any bias whatsoever, i'm crazy

there is bias
I have bias
I want certain people to be town
I want certain people to be scum
you do as well
live with it

also vote defender since you obviously can't refute the infallible logic you just got blasted with

[Nachomamma8]

and the logic i am referring to is the logic that you are ignoring, for the record

[Nachomamma8]

...bitch.

[inte]

its the same shit i've been saying

d3f3n3r lynch tells us nothing about the alignment of other players. he has zero associative tells

i would rather lynch mcstab over d3f3nd3r at this moment

[Rainbowdash]

There is plenty of wagon stuff to go off of though. There was quite a bit of calling him scum early but the wagon went nowhere. Now the wagon on MS has fallen over to AJ and the defender wagon sprung up from the dissenters of that one.

While he hasnt been talking about individuals too much, a lot of us have been talking about him and the wagon having two times in the spotlight does reveal a whole lot about it when we get his alignment.

Also what... thats a "never lynch lurkers" policy?

[zabriel]

McStab does have a softclaim. But if he's fakesoft he probably could ride that to d3 on plausible deniability if DY is doctor like he claims, seeing as we have an innocent child and a claimed doc, I'd say those are pretty high on the NK priority list.

I'm sleepy. Defender is butt. I'm okay with that going through.

[zabriel]

Is he at L-2 or L-3?

[McStab]

Rainbow, if you seriously think lynching lurkers when you have 30 pages of content and you supposedly have a handful of strong scum and townreads is a good thing, then you're either scum looking for an easy target or you don't know how to scumhunt. I know for a fact it can't be the second, because you're a good scumhunter.

Defender needs to get in here and vote AJ. All of you last minute rushers to Defender are just gonna cause a no lynch. Defender lynch brings us virtually no information except if he flips scum we can consider Nacho likely not same alignment.

As for role speculation on me, I'll reveal on a massclaim, but don't try to paint a picture of what I am while I'm unable to properly explain myself (I can't at this stage without making all of my efforts for naught; careful observers will note what I've done). That's about all I'm gonna go into until then.

[McStab]

Defender is L-3, AJ is L-3.

[Rainbowdash]

You continue to ignore that I think defender is scum for reasons that are not "lurking" dont you?

[inte]

ur not allowed to sheep me

[solidstate]

Actually... I think right now Defender is at L-2 and AJ is at L-3? (they both had 5 as of my vote, DY voted for Mcstab again)? Correct if I'm wrong.

[solidstate]

its the same shit i've been saying

d3f3n3r lynch tells us nothing about the alignment of other players. he has zero associative tells

It gives us associative tells about the people RABIDLY defending him, IE you.

[Nachomamma8]

Rainbow, if you seriously think lynching lurkers when you have 30 pages of content and you supposedly have a handful of strong scum and townreads is a good thing, then you're either scum looking for an easy target or you don't know how to scumhunt. I know for a fact it can't be the second, because you're a good scumhunter.

scum is scum
the fuck does it matter how much he posts?

its the same shit i've been saying

d3f3n3r lynch tells us nothing about the alignment of other players. he has zero associative tells

i would rather lynch mcstab over d3f3nd3r at this moment

inte, you don't understand how associative tells work if you think that's how things work
they go both ways
and I'm getting tons of good stuff

[inte]

its the same shit i've been saying

d3f3n3r lynch tells us nothing about the alignment of other players. he has zero associative tells

It gives us associative tells about the people RABIDLY defending him, IE you.

more like i'm rabidly saying applejack has the highest chance of being scum

can we just fuckin do it so i can say i told you so and be nk'd?

[Nachomamma8]

its the same shit i've been saying

d3f3n3r lynch tells us nothing about the alignment of other players. he has zero associative tells

It gives us associative tells about the people RABIDLY defending him, IE you.

more like i'm rabidly saying applejack has the highest chance of being scum

can we just fuckin do it so i can say i told you so and be nk'd?

no because you won't be able to say you can tell us so
otherwise i would be all for eating humble pie and tasting a scumlynch

[Applejack]

Has nobody thrown their weight behind the Applejack wagon yet? As in, swear to do it and start eating some very sharp Bowser shells, specially delivered, when I flip town?

Because I've got tons and tons of these things.

[inte]

sure ill vote myself the whole next day

[inte]

or, d3f3nd3r if you like

or whoever you choose, that is, if you flip town

[Bitmap]

*sigh*

So last night I thought about a lot of things about this game.

I don't McStab is lying about his claim. If he is, then he's going to get lynched eventually anyways.

Same applies to Yoshi.

There's no possibility that both ponies are scum. It has to be one or the other or none. That's it. I guess I'm relating to how Greywing was buddying DLG in Open 421 and that DLG eventually flipped scum. Old game fears that kicked in which is why I was worried about Applejack.

I'm going to wait till Zabriel inputs more before looking at his alignment.

I'm having second doubts about Applejack wagon. If Applejack is indeed town, he will be a great asset and shouldn't be lynched. I've looked over Applejack's ISO and I think this wagon is bad.

Azusa is probably town or possible SK at this point. Azusa goes with mostly what the ponies say which I used to do in Open 421 as SK in order to fake townieness or just save my ass. Most likely town.

If McStab is what I think he is, then inte is probably town. Otherwise if Defender flips scum, inte might be scum due to buddying.

I'd rather keep a more active scum player alive if Applejack is indeed scum.

My case on Applejack wasn't even that great to start with. I rather look at the people on the wagons.

Give me some time to think about Defender though.

UNVOTE:

[zabriel]

McStab doesn't die by NK til night 3 if everybody is honest. He's shady enough that we still might lynch him if we don't get him absolutely clear, so that puts him behind the IC in NK priority, and if the Doc claim is legit, he's gone tonight or tomorrow. So a softclaim buys him until day 4 before he has to start explaining stuff.

[Azusa Nakano]

*Sigh*
Given reasons why the AJ wagon is bogus, given reasons why Defender is a better lynch, and the closest thing to any kind of response is intesun saying "no. 'cause."

Tired of this nonsense, and the fact that somebody is arguing that McStab gets to live to D4 makes me very very sad.

[Bitmap]

Okay, I concluded that I like the d3f3nd3r wagon better.

VOTE: d3f3nd3r

[Cartographer]

Okay. I've clearly lost any control I ever had of my impulses here, and I have better things to do than to waste energy hating on a game that I am refusing to replace out of due to sheer stubbornness. Lynch me or whatever; when I flip town, I fully expect McStab to die so that I can cuss him out again in the graveyard QuickTopic. If neither McStab nor I die today, I am replacing out on Day 2 because hell will have to freeze over before I even consider continuing.

Please don't do this, Apple.

This threat in addition to her highly emotional spree of posts makes me feel better about this slot. Otherwise it is painting a huge red target on her back. She is doing this without regard to the opinions of others. While there are niggling problems with her earlier posts specifically the caginess of her votes, I don't see this rapid mood swing coming from scum.

You asked to place a vote on either you or D3f3nd3r. I have an answer.

VOTE: D3f3nd3r (L-1)

I strongly encourage you to remain in this game come Day 2.

To answer your question about my McStab vote. It was purely to get a lynch. I thought the deadline was sooner. I didn't think I would have the willpower or the persuasiveness within the town to get Rainbow, my primary suspect, to get lynched. I can see that has not changed at all. I predict it wouldn't have changed with my support as well...

I finally understand the tiered system now. I don't know why it takes me so long to see readily apparent things. First, the solid tell.I spent many minutes staring at that post and still don't completely recognize it. Now the claiming in tiers.

I have a problem with Rainbow's recent post detaling McStab's demise or possible plan of actions. First, is that not the move that McStab did to Apple? Predicting her vote based on previous posts and play? Second, even if there is a distinction (which I doubt) why would you detail the logic behind McStab's alignment based on deaths tonight?

I am not going to elaborate the second until after Rainbow posts.

[Nachomamma8]

zab, it's your show.