NY 159: RUST game over

[curiouskarmadog]

uhhhh?

I claim miller.
Zab says "yeah, BC is legit town"
Then when Zab gets confronted about his statement, he backs off because he knows he could be lynched because of my poor play.

It's not the same kind of distancing between scum partners in my opinion. It's more of me being a leper and no one wants to be connected to me, town or scum.

this doesnt make any sense...IF you are telling the truth and you get lynched (flipping town)...why would Zab be worried and change his stance to "I am not sure if the claim is legit"? it seems to me, he would keep his stance. as town that doesnt make any sense. now if Zab knew you were scum and if you were lynched (flipping scum) he WOULD distance himself from you with that post.

[BloodCovenent]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

The only thing that i have done that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. On page 1, Zab's post was sketchy enough for Roflcopter to deduce that Zab's is scum. He believes that Zab's flip flop implies that I am scum as well, as scum wouldn't want another player of theirs in the hotseat.

Zab is distancing himself from me because i'm basically poison.... if that makes any sense.

unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow.

BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

Unvote:
Vote: Zabriel

[curiouskarmadog]

pregame game talk? what pregame talk?

[BloodCovenent]

pregame game talk? what pregame talk?

It's an assumption. IMO, the other players assume that we are both scum and we made a gambit.

[roflcopter]

no i assume you are scum and you made a gambit and he is scum and he reacted poorly and now you're both reacting just about as obviously as possible to that poor reaction, not that you made a gambit together

[curiouskarmadog]

I am not sure why I am not understanding what exactly you are saying. I dont know if you are back tracking or if I am completely misunderstanding you.

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

[Rob14]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing. They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

[BloodCovenent]

I am not sure why I am not understanding what exactly you are saying. I dont know if you are back tracking or if I am completely misunderstanding you.

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

I worded the line poorly i guess. I probably should have put a

comma

right after together, making it read as such:
"The only thing that i have done that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together, is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

Maybe you are misunderstanding me, maybe i'm confused as well.

[BloodCovenent]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

[curiouskarmadog]

to me it is sounding like slips. but I just cant imagine "slips" being this obvious.

I agree that if one flips scum, the other is probably scum...

[Rob14]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

[curiouskarmadog]

you are not really answering the question though

you said...

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

I am asking you, what you did in this game, that would make people believe you and Zab are scum (pregame scum chat). You said you did something, what did you do?

I dont think I can ask this any other way.

[roflcopter]

so ckd, why aren't you voting?

[BloodCovenent]

Some light reading.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12105

Link to role: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p1919506

[BloodCovenent]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

That was trying to start conversation and get us out of the RVS.

[curiouskarmadog]

well my gut says vote BC...

I actually took Zab's "miller...OBVtown" post a different way (will explain after he answers my question)..

want Zab to answer my question first before I decide who to vote.

[Cheery Dog]

I worded the line poorly i guess. I probably should have put a

comma

right after together, making it read as such:
"The only thing that

i have done

that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together,

is if

we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

Have you done it or not?

the bolded is the problem in that sentence.

[BloodCovenent]

you are not really answering the question though

you said...

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

I am asking you, what you did in this game, that would make people believe you and Zab are scum (pregame scum chat). You said you did something, what did you do?

I dont think I can ask this any other way.

Claiming Miller i guess.

It really feels like you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

[curiouskarmadog]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

That was trying to start conversation and get us out of the RVS.

okay, scratch that last post..

vote BC

the trying to start conversation bullshit is super scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

[BloodCovenent]

I worded the line poorly i guess. I probably should have put a

comma

right after together, making it read as such:
"The only thing that

i have done

that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together,

is if

we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

Have you done it or not?

the bolded is the problem in that sentence.

No, i am not scum, nor am on a scum team >.>

I was showing CKD what i think the other players are assuming.

[BloodCovenent]

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

That was trying to start conversation and get us out of the RVS.

okay, scratch that last post..

vote BC

the trying to start conversation bullshit is super scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

who are you going after when i flip town?

[roflcopter]

who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

[curiouskarmadog]

Claiming Miller i guess.

It really feels like you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

wait what? I am not putting fucking words in your mouth I trying to understand what the fuck you are saying.

btw "claiming miller" in no way links you to "pregame scum chat with Zab"....I think you are backtracking, I caught you in at least one slip, and now you are trying a different tactic by discrediting me?

what words am I putting in your mouth? quote the post.

[Cheery Dog]

If it was a pregame chat gambit, you wouldn't have planned this far ahead.

I feel it's more likely a gambit you decided to try yourself without talking to your team. but then we may be overthinking the miller claim, since a large theme ended recently (and nominated for a scummie) in which a miller claim made endgame.

[BloodCovenent]

who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

No, i'm not appealing to anything. You guys think we're both scum. So if you lynch Zab first, and he by some chance flips scum, i'm the next lynch. But, if you guys decide to lynch me, where will you be as far as information? Will you immediately lynch Zab then? That type of rush play is not helpful for the town, it only benefits scum. Because at best we'll have 1 scum lynch and 1 townie lynch, at worst 2 townies lynched.

Claiming Miller i guess.

It really feels like you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

wait what? I am not putting fucking words in your mouth I trying to understand what the fuck you are saying.

btw "claiming miller" in no way links you to "pregame scum chat with Zab"....I think you are backtracking, I caught you in at least one slip, and now you are trying a different tactic by discrediting me?

what words am I putting in your mouth? quote the post.

" Claiming Miller " - is the supposed gambit.

I said it feel's like your putting words in my mouth.