NY 159: RUST game over

[4nxi3ty]

AngryPidgeon

(1) - zabriel

BloodCovenant

(2) - DemonCore, curiouskarmadog

Pine

(1) - PeregringeV

zabriel

(5)

- AngryPidgeon, ProHawk, Cheery Dog, roflcopter, Darthe

Tazaro

(1) - BloodCovenant

Not Voting

(7) - malpascp, Pine, Josh Lyman, PMysterious, scooby, Rob13, Tazaro

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2012-10-23 15:08:03)

[Darthe]

why would

Zabtown

"distance" himself from someone

he doesnt know

is scum?

why would anything

BC(you)town

do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

what exactly seems odd? "opinion shift"? you mean me unvoting my random vote?

Bolded above. All are an effect called priming where the individual places words or terms in such a way that it reinforces an opinion. So this leaves two options. You either feel definitively that these two people are town (hence putting it in their name) or the more likely one in five pages is that you are mafia with one of them at least and are attempting to sway us with the subconscious reasoning of free association.

[AngryPidgeon]

First off: as usual the sine wave that is the number of active games I'm in has peaked and one in particular is sponging a lot of my time as its close to LYLO. Sorry for that. Catchup post from work: GO.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

Why wouldn't the scum team have to kill a miller? Why would a miller claim necessarily make them happy?

Ok, I think rofl is town right now based on 32-34. Im leaning town on bloodcovenant as well. I tend to like to let Miller claims live until it becomes obvious whether or not there is a cop around anyways. (Not saying a cop should claim right now >.>)

Ok, 44 makes BC very town. Not willing to vote rofl or BC right now.

Re 45: Cog dis because he said Zabriel could be the cop but that he has a null read on him?

Ya, I agree Rob's wall looks town.. I think..Rob have you played on another site? Specifically the gym? I cannot disagree more about Rob's conclusion that BC talking about the cop is scum-motivated, but I think Rob is still town for the analysis. Also the conclusion that Zabriel and BC are scum buddies: can we lynch Zabriel then? I still don't quite like a BC lynch. Rob is likely town. If hes scum, I'll know shortly. Guarantee that.

Post 49: You weren't sure if it was a legit claim, but you called him obvtown? Can we wagon Zabriel?

DemonCore is leaning scum. I think BC is town, but that read isn't too strong.

RE 57: Ya, Prohawk found the same thing I did earlier in this wall. Why does Zab call the claim obvtown and then null 39 posts later?

Ok, we aren't lynching BC today. Zabriel, sure. Rob is very likely town at this point.

A zabriel wagon, this pleases me!

67: FoS CKD.

73: BC, why are you so sure Zab is town??

74: Ok, CuriousKarmaDog is obvscum.

I just finished P3. Give me a sec, I'll get further. This thread got huge fast. wow.

Shortlist:

Zabriel
Curious Karma Dog
DemonCore

roflcopter
Prohawk
Rob
Blood Covenant

[Rob14]

Rob13, you're not voting.

This is a problem

As I explained earlier, I want to check BC's past games before the day ends. Wanting to analyze all the available information before voting isn't a problem. At least not to town, anyway.

[Demon Core]

@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

[BloodCovenent]

@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

so concerned that you're scum list?

[curiouskarmadog]

why would

Zabtown

"distance" himself from someone

he doesnt know

is scum?

why would anything

BC(you)town

do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

what exactly seems odd? "opinion shift"? you mean me unvoting my random vote?

Bolded above. All are an effect called priming where the individual places words or terms in such a way that it reinforces an opinion. So this leaves two options. You either feel definitively that these two people are town (hence putting it in their name) or the more likely one in five pages is that you are mafia with one of them at least and are attempting to sway us with the subconscious reasoning of free association.

then you are completely missing what I am saying. he said, he did not do anything to implicate Zab.

impicate: to show to be also involved, usually in an incriminating manner

so when someone who wants me to believe they are town(BC), uses the term "impicate" makes me feel like this was a slip, or from someone's point of view that is scum

[curiouskarmadog]

why would

Zabtown

"distance" himself from someone

he doesnt know

is scum?

why would anything

BC(you)town

do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

what exactly seems odd? "opinion shift"? you mean me unvoting my random vote?

Bolded above. All are an effect called priming where the individual places words or terms in such a way that it reinforces an opinion. So this leaves two options. You either feel definitively that these two people are town (hence putting it in their name) or the more likely one in five pages is that you are mafia with one of them at least and are attempting to sway us with the subconscious reasoning of free association.

also what was my opinion shift? where did a change status on anything?

[Rob14]

I looked into BC's meta a bit and there are some things I'd like to watch more before deciding to lynch him. I just don't see how the miller claim would ever make any sense for him since he hasn't played it well in the past. He has no experience in pulling it off. On the other hand, it makes total sense for him to claim it early as town because when he didn't in the past it worked very poorly for him. Plus, he's just coming back to the game after a long time of being out of practice. Pulling off a gambit like this while he's still rusty as a player would be one hell of a ballsy move. This doesn't explain some of his other behavior and actions, but I'm just having trouble getting past how little sense his initial claim would make. I'm much more comfortable voting for Zab at this point. He's contributed nothing, he flip-flopped on the one read he gave with no reason, and he's generally been trying to float under the radar the entire time. I also think we gain the most info regarding other people by lynching Zab. If he flips scum, I have a few directions to go on Day 2.

Vote: Zab

[AngryPidgeon]

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make.

Yes, but really neither alignment except (jester, but this is a normal) would really do that >.>

well my gut says vote BC...

My

gut

very precise scumdar says you and Zabriel are a team. Look at all the hurr-durr BC is so scummy nonsense you are throwing around, all whilst only token caring about Zabriel?

Cheery is sailing the clear waters towards scumville. But really.. his opening post is only slightly scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

My confirmation bias is tingling.

Rofl, not to appeal to my glorious glorious town Meta, but you should believe me when I say BC is town. He ain't scum. No way. Rob will flip scum first. Seriously.

97: oh CKD is so mad! Derp. CKD is actually the most likely to flip scum in thread right now.

Done with P4. Pretty much CKD should be the lynch today. Zabriel is still ok. They are probably on a team.

[zabriel]

Two miller claims. Seems legit. We should believe both of them.

Jesus. I'm going to have to put trollface on every post I make. I'm pretty sure at least one of the miller claims is completely full of shit. Honestly I thought the first Miller claim was a joke until everybody went so apeshit over it. Guy comes in and jokeclaims in first post, and then we throw shit around until something sticks and one of us is dead.

[AngryPidgeon]

Fine, then.

Let's say the mod gave you a day vig shot that you had to use right now. Who would you use it on and why?

(Fun fact: BC's vote is still on Tazaro)

Why you not invlved in game? Why you use such ez and generic 'scumhunting' techniques? Could you be anymore obvscum?

@BC: Rofl is kind of drifting into the null-town region of my reads. Shoot CKD

Darthe is town.

Did mal just CC BC's miller claim?

DemonCore is still scum.

2 miller claims. Right. Ok. I bet my lucky oldschool 5$ bill that they are both true. Takers?

VOTE: Demon Core

[AngryPidgeon]

EBWODP: Im caught up.

[curiouskarmadog]

this Zab lynch is too fucking easy...a wagon built up on him based on a sarcastic remark?

bullshit.

AP I am curious, am I still scum when/if he flips town? I would like to know before the day ends?

[AngryPidgeon]

I just remembered that bets are a no-no. Mine was a joke in case it wasn't obvious. But my point still stands: Probably both are true. If one isn't, its the 2nd one.

P-edit: yes. You are scum regardless of what Zab flips. But we should lynch obvscum Dcore today.

[Tazaro]

I am totally going to vote for someone on the Zab wagon.
BUT WHO?

[curiouskarmadog]

really?! way to keep your options open..why?

just so I have this straight. You felt like BC was being forth coming, open, and non dodgy?

[curiouskarmadog]

really?! way to keep your options open..why?

just so I have this straight. You felt like BC was being forth coming, open, and non dodgy?

[curiouskarmadog]

sry for double post...not sure why it did that.

[curiouskarmadog]

one more question, if BC flips scum, am I still scum? based on what?

[AngryPidgeon]

BC is town.

Right now Dcore/CKD are the obvious team. CKD's "Am I scum regardless of the Zab flip" solidifies that connection although Zabriel hasn't done enough to warrant the lynch compared to these 2.

P-edit: BC isn't flipping scum and you are.

[curiouskarmadog]

BC is town.

Right now Dcore/CKD are the obvious team. CKD's "Am I scum regardless of the Zab flip" solidifies that connection although Zabriel hasn't done enough to warrant the lynch compared to these 2.

P-edit: BC isn't flipping scum and you are.

way to dodge all the fucking questions.

if BC flips scum, am I scum?

do you really think BC wasnt being dodgy?

why is that so hard to answer?

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, I am dodging your scummy questions.

1. You are scum, so yes. BC will not be flipping scum. And this question tells me hes probably flipping town and you know it.

2. BC is not being 'dodgy'. Hes posting a lot. His posts are kinda derp, but genuine.

3. I think my BC is town, you are scum already answered your first question. And who knows what you mean by 'dodgy'? Is he dodging questions? No? Is he lurking? No? Do his posts sound 'off'? Kind of?

[AngryPidgeon]

Should be quotes around "BC is town, you are scum".

[zabriel]

I'd like to hear from Mal to see if he meant his Miller claim or had read the whole thing with BC.