Open 455 - Tit for Tat - OVER

[Nekoko]

I. Random Voting Stage (Post 5-8)

5.Lord Mhork - RV: A_Potato
6. Disturbed_One - RV: Cheery Dog
7. combinatorialEnigma - RV: NumberQ
8. Klick - RV: Klick

Post 8 - I'll consider Klick's self-vote as a random vote done by town. I don't see the mafia doing crazy stuff that could catch attention. Though I wouldn't think it's a wise thing to do as it's lulzy way to lure votes.

II. (Post 9~)

9. Cheery Dog - V: Klick *
11. Disturbed_One - V: Klick from Cheery Dog
12. Shamrock - V: Disturbed_One
13. Klick - V: Disturbed_One
14. Venmar - RV: Lord Mhork
17. combinatorialEnigma - V: Disturbed from NumberQ
27. Disturbed_One - V: Venmar from Klick
29. Lord Mhork - V: Disturbed_One from A_Potato
45. Klick - V: Cheery from Disturbed_One
50. Cheery Dog - Unvote Klick
53. numberQ- RV: Disturbed
59. HerrRudi - RV: Klick
61. numberQ - Unvote
63. Lord Mhork - Vote: HerrRudi from Disturbed_One

Post 9 - Don't find anything suspicious with Cheery's vote on Klick. I think it's a good way to end RVS as soon as possible.

Post 11 - Scummy. I think this is the case of scum taking advantage on Klick's weird self-vote. If what Disturbed_One said on Post 25 that he has no scum experience is true, then it makes this more believable to me.

Post 14 - Suspicious vote on Lord Mhork by Venmar. I think it's very clear that something is happening already and it looks like he doesn't want his opinions to be heard.

Post 27 - I would have entertained Disturbed_One's reason on Post 19 if not for this one. I think it's scummy that he would unvote after getting pressure.

Post 45 - I don't understand this vote. Why Cheery Dog? The only reason I could see from my point of view is that he voted you.

Post 53 - I don't like this post as it looks like it's a lazy way to start the game. And it's not even RVS anymore. What's weird is that I think it's not "random" anymore if the person you're voting on is half of the majority.

Post 59 - HerrRudi's vote on Klick is more suspicious than Venmar as the game is already 3 pages long and there are more things to comment on.

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For now the most scummy player is still Disturbed_One so...
VOTE: Disturbed_One

Klick

- What's your reason for voting Cheery Dog?

Lord Mhork

- In Post 29 you said, "Dude... I was with you up until that horrid last vote... "
Did you too believed that Klick was deserving of the votes?

[Nekoko]

Actually read the game now. I'm content with my vote at this hour. No clue what Klick's meta is but I'm uncomfortable with people playing town leader like he is. Seems fake

I like Mhork, Cheery, Potato right away. Feel bad vibes about Rubiks cube avatar guy except have nothing to back this up

Did you find Disturbed_One more scummy than Klick?

[Klick]

HerrRudi will be the late D1 lynch we end up at after days of arguing.

I'll answer questions when I get home from school.

[guille2015]

Klick is a master of getting out of RVS.

It was a disturbing vote from Disturbed One. He sheeps the Klick vote. He realizes it's bad and retreats. IGMEOY

I've seen Klick do that play (self Vote RVS), and for him it's a null tell. Cherry Dogs followup is suspect.

I can understand Disturbed's explanation that a self vote was not town-aligned. That is usually a scum maneuver late in the wagon. I can chalk that up as a newbie player. His interaction made me feel uneasy so I will think of him as Null leaning scum for the time being.

We are totally out of the RVS NQ. I agree with shamrock's #58.

I think I am in three games with Om, I like this guy.

HerrRudi's vote without reading the rest of the game caught my eye. The reason is not good. For all he knew Klick could have been in L-1.

I like Neko's post, but I disagree with his/her opinion of Cheery and Klick.

Vote:HerrRudi

Herr Rudi: What's your opinion on Disturbed.

[Messiah]

Vote Count 1.3

With twelve alive it will take seven to lynch.

L-4

Disturbed_One

- Shamrock, combinatorialEnigma, Nekoko

L-5

HerrRudi

- Lord Mhork, guille2015

L-6

Lord Mhork

- Venmar

L-6

Venmar

- Disturbed_One

L-6

Cheery Dog

- Klick

L-6

Klick

- HerrRudi

A_Potato

-

combinatorialEnigma

-

guille2015

-

Nekoko

-

numberQ

-

Shamrock

-

Not voting: A_Potato, Cheery Dog, numberQ

Deadline in (expired on 2012-10-28 21:30:00).

[Shamrock]

I actually think Distrubed is probably town based on his response to pressure, I think that sort of conspicuous and self-conscious flip-flop is more likely to come from nervous/inexperienced town than nervous/inexperienced scum (who would be more likely to stick to the original position). I was leaving my vote on him to see if anyone would jump on the wagon for shitty reasons. Nekoko did vote him but his post was fine.

UNVOTE: Disturbed_One

Mhork, did your opinion on Disturbed change? What provoked you to unvote him?

[Klick]

VOTE: Herr I like this wagon.

[HerrRudi]

Quite frankly, I voted when I still thought we were on page one. Then I checked back later and it was a "woops actually on page 3 error." That's my bad there. Nothing more to say on that than that.

If this is Klick's meta, I'll take y'all's word for it (Potato and Guille mentioned that I think?). I looked at a couple of finished games of his just now quick too and I see no reason to disagree with you two UNVOTE:

As for disturbed? Eh, I really don't know what to think. On one hand I want to agree with Klick that it's a town reaction, but on the other hand that switch to Venrob was utterly disgusting. He's viable option for today, along with Combinatoral Enigma for his wagon jump combined with his fluff in his last two posts, not commenting on the rest of the game. Really, he hasn't commented on anything actually.

VOTE: combinatorialEnigma

[Klick]

Liar. You made a comment on A_Potato, who hadn't posted until after Page 1.

[HerrRudi]

Liar. You made a comment on A_Potato, who hadn't posted until after Page 1.

First

Venmar, comment on stuff. We escaped RVS.

False.

VOTE: Klick

For the record I am being completely random here

Second

Actually read the game now. I'm content with my vote at this hour. No clue what Klick's meta is but I'm uncomfortable with people playing town leader like he is. Seems fake

I like Mhork, Cheery, Potato right away. Feel bad vibes about Rubiks cube avatar guy except have nothing to back this up

[Klick]

OH I thought that was part of your reasoning for an unvote, which would imply that you just read the rest of the game.

[HerrRudi]

At what point did I just read the rest of the game?

[Klick]

Before your second post. I thought you were claiming that you just now read it.

[HerrRudi]

Oh okay that makes a lot more sense now.

[combinatorialEnigma]

Quite frankly, I voted when I still thought we were on page one. Then I checked back later and it was a "woops actually on page 3 error." That's my bad there. Nothing more to say on that than that.

If this is Klick's meta, I'll take y'all's word for it (Potato and Guille mentioned that I think?). I looked at a couple of finished games of his just now quick too and I see no reason to disagree with you two UNVOTE:

As for disturbed? Eh, I really don't know what to think. On one hand I want to agree with Klick that it's a town reaction, but on the other hand that switch to Venrob was utterly disgusting. He's viable option for today, along with Combinatoral Enigma for his wagon jump combined with his fluff in his last two posts, not commenting on the rest of the game. Really, he hasn't commented on anything actually.

VOTE: combinatorialEnigma

I've been kind of busy with an essay, because college.

I think Disturbed is scum, I think Cheery might be, but less likely, I don't know what to think about you, and I think A Potato is a potato.

[HerrRudi]

I'm curious to your read on Cheery Dog. Can you elaborate more on that, or is it gut? He seems fine to me.

[combinatorialEnigma]

It's gut, and I'm not entirely sure why.

[Venmar]

My bad guys, i haven't been keeping up. Modding and school work have dominated my life for the past day or so, and i'm trying to post where I can.

For the time being, i have no idea why she isn't being looked at right now.

Unvote

Vote: Nekoko

[Cheery Dog]

Why should she be looked at right now?

[A_Potato]

I just realised I was wrong about Cheery. His posts are so lifeless and blank and the townvibes I was getting earlier were just an illusion.

[Lord Mhork]

Lord Mhork

- In Post 29 you said, "Dude... I was with you up until that horrid last vote... "
Did you too believed that Klick was deserving of the votes?

That's kind of a tough one there. I personally did not feel like Klick's self vote was all that sketchy, for self voting is actually a fairly common tactic to get out of RVS, at least as far as I've seen. For that reason I wasn't keen on hopping on the Klick wagon, though I could understand why others would. What bothered me most was that fact that Disturbed started putting some pressure down, then bailed when he started getting heat.

That

is more sketchy and more voteworthy, 'cause scum tends to try and avoid attention and avoid going against the general feel of the town.

I actually think Distrubed is probably town based on his response to pressure, I think that sort of conspicuous and self-conscious flip-flop is more likely to come from nervous/inexperienced town than nervous/inexperienced scum (who would be more likely to stick to the original position). I was leaving my vote on him to see if anyone would jump on the wagon for shitty reasons. Nekoko did vote him but his post was fine.

UNVOTE: Disturbed_One

Mhork, did your opinion on Disturbed change? What provoked you to unvote him?

It kinda changed. He was more or less null-leaning-scum, but I liked his responses to the flak he was getting, so I decided to place my vote elsewhere. HerrRudi looked more scummy than Disturbed, so I figure it's better to throw some fire in that direction, you know?


Now, in addition to the Herr's 'Rah! We're still in RVS-land' issue, there are a couple of things I've noted that might be worth a discussion. For instance this guille dude. I don't like him.

Klick is a master of getting out of RVS.

It was a disturbing vote from Disturbed One. He sheeps the Klick vote. He realizes it's bad and retreats. IGMEOY

I've seen Klick do that play (self Vote RVS), and for him it's a null tell. Cherry Dogs followup is suspect.

I can understand Disturbed's explanation that a self vote was not town-aligned. That is usually a scum maneuver late in the wagon. I can chalk that up as a newbie player. His interaction made me feel uneasy so I will think of him as Null leaning scum for the time being.

We are totally out of the RVS NQ. I agree with shamrock's #58.

I think I am in three games with Om, I like this guy.

HerrRudi's vote without reading the rest of the game caught my eye. The reason is not good. For all he knew Klick could have been in L-1.

I like Neko's post, but I disagree with his/her opinion of Cheery and Klick.

First off, check out the bolded parts. He starts off with a brown-noseyish comment simply to compliment Klick. This is totally unnecessary buddying and rather sketchy. A better example, though, is the next one in which he throws out a 'hey I know Om and he's cool' comment. He doesn't even back it with a reason from this game, but rather saying he likes him from other, completely irrelevant. There's no real town motivation to buddy in this manner, not when Om has done little to nothing this game. Then, lastly, is that 'I like Neko, but he's wrong.' It's more buddying. Plain and simple.

@guille:
Why you buddy so hard with those guys?


I don't like A_Potato either. Something feels...off. My favorite is this quote here:

There's always room for one more~
Also I forgot to say that you're town.

He claims there's 'room for

one

more despite the fact that Cheery brought up two names (guille and Neko). Now why would he do that? How can he be so confident that there are at least two scum in his pool of four? Looks an awful lot like a scum slip from where I'm standing. A better problem than a derp RVS vote on page three at least. For that reason:

UNVOTE: HerrRudi

VOTE: A_Potato

Potatoman, why is there room for 'one'?


So far I'm getting scummish vibes from A_Potato, guille, and HerrRudi, nullish vibes from Cheery Dog, combinatorialEnigma, Nekoko, numberQ, Shamrock, Venmar, and townish/semi-townish vibes from Disturbed_One and Klick.

[A_Potato]

Wow, you're obviously trying to justify a shitty vote so that I can't attack your vote on Rudi anymore. This vote is even weaker than that vote tbh.
VOTE: Lord Mhork
Thanks for confirming yourself broski~<3
You realise it would look really stupid if I had over half the game in my scumlist, right? I have a reputation to keep y' know?

[A_Potato]

There's no real town motivation to buddy in this manner,

not when Om has done little to nothing this game.

You blind mate?

[Shamrock]

Mhork, your reasons for (potentially) voting guille seem much stronger than your reasons for voting potato, yet you're voting potato. Why?

[HerrRudi]

Wait so Guille is buddying 3 people at once with subtle compliments? What's the goal in that?

That "scum-slip" is also nonsense.
Assumption: there is always room for one more. So I add one. Since there was always room for one more, not conditioned on any previous additions (hence always), there is still always room for one more, hence two.
Regardless, you're playing an absolutely trivial game of semantics that means nothing

P-Edit: Shamrock I'd hardly call those reasons