micro 38: 7p micro normal

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

A couple of quick questions (for the record, now Majiffy is the awesome one and I'm the mumbling bastich of the pair - egads!)

1. JKer *is* an amazingly potent pro-town tool I think 1 JKer + 1 Doc is the most potent pro-town possibility in Newbies, because the JKer is a functional cop too once one scum is dead. Huge power there. Not really a question, just stating a belief (I'll also add I think Watcher is an immensely potent town role once a town PR claims...if played right...)

2. Batt - before you said this game would be poorly balanced if there was only one town PR - now you're saying it would be balanced with one PR and two goons (which I agree with) which do you actually believe, and why do you seem to be reversing a prior statement?

3. Also for Batt - as a Watcher suspecting Kimor why not push for a mass claim yesterday too? You have shown a willingness to hide your claim for 'town benefit' so why not try for a massclaim if you doubted Kimor - any town PR claim would have let you know for a fact Kimor was scum, and depending on the other claim you would have put town in a strong position. Your actions feel very muddled for if you suspected him or if you didn't, and I feel like you're trying to stay in a mushy middle where you can have it both ways.

4. Batt - also, you waiting to claim last for Watcher in a game with obviously finite PRs (1 *maybe* 2) and then also having no proof of any results because, hey, no results, is hardly doing a win in your favor. You've functionally claimed PR, tried to argue it as obv. existing to make you obv. town, and then not even had any results. Basically your claim was a 'don't lynch me claim' why do you find that odd that AV would find it scummy? I find it scummy.

5. Cheery Dog - I think Batt's actions make no sense as town, AV also thinks this. Batt obviously thinks they do, and Emp appears to do the same (though he ducked addressing my challenge about that). What is your call? You're currently clearing him based off a theory mod guess that apparently Batt doesn't even agree with - so?

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

@Anyone - what would be the balanced scum PR versus a JK+Watcher combo in a 7p?

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

Because I'm pretty sure we all agree Goon+Goon is not it.

[Cheery Dog]

I was thinking it made sense to do as town, but then batt actually started off the massclaiming unprovoked except that we were saying it needed to happen.
It would make more sense for him to wait his turn in the popcorning after deciding who should start.

When we only have one mislynch, a JK+watcher combo against two goons sounds fine to me.

[Battousai]

In response to 450:

2) Please link or give post number of where I said that I believe that the game would be balanced with 1 PR and 2 goons.

3) I didn't want a mass claim because if Kimor was town, we'd lose a PR (scum would kill Kimor). If Kimor was scum, then a mass claim would out another PR with a non-jailkeeper role. Then it would be, which PR is real AND/OR would 3 PRs be in a game. I don't remember playing a mykonian game, but I've played in games where the setup had more PRs than VTs (since micros don't have to pass a balance test like normals, it increases this chance). The fact that I had doubts on his alignment wasn't enough for me to out myself.

4) Finding it scummy, and having it labeled as definite scum are two different things (especially since he didn't find me scummy at the end of D1). In lylo, it seemed like AV was just sheeping you.

451- I would say it would be a roleblocker or investigation-immune modifier.



Thor- I don't think you've weighed in much on the Empking being blocked. Is there any good reason for scum not to kill a claimed PR that blocks kills in a small game?

I'm just going to throw my vote out now:

Vote: Empking

[Cheery Dog]

I didn't want a mass claim because if Kimor was town, we'd lose a PR (scum would kill Kimor)

but then, you'd be able to watch kimor and catch the scum..

[AurorusVox]

I didn't want a mass claim because if Kimor was town, we'd lose a PR (scum would kill Kimor)

but then, you'd be able to watch kimor and catch the scum..

Which is another reason batt is scum who is faking watcher. Pretty obv at this point.

Batt goes today, emp tomorrow.

[Empking]

. Is there any good reason for scum not to kill a claimed PR that blocks kills in a small game?

In case there's a Watcher?

[Battousai]

I didn't want a mass claim because if Kimor was town, we'd lose a PR (scum would kill Kimor)

but then, you'd be able to watch kimor and catch the scum..

More than likely, kimor would try and save me, given his idea that he wanted to protect town roles. And saving me = roleblocked as well.

[Battousai]

I didn't want a mass claim because if Kimor was town, we'd lose a PR (scum would kill Kimor)

but then, you'd be able to watch kimor and catch the scum..

Which is another reason batt is scum who is faking watcher. Pretty obv at this point.

Batt goes today, emp tomorrow.

Then vote me... this game has dragged on long enough as it is...


Scum team is Emp and AV.

[Battousai]

Actually, lynch Empking. If I'm scum bussing, that means town only needs 2 of it's 3 players to hop on for a lynch.

Also, why that order, of all orders? There are no mislynches left, so in what way does a scum flip of me prove to you that Empking is scum/town instead and is more beneficial than of a flip of Empking proving that I'm town/scum?

[Cheery Dog]

Given that everyone has posted since the TUG voted for you and none of us joined your bandwagon, I think it's safe to say that either batt or TUG is scum and by not noticing this and calling TUG scum for having his vote out on what would be town, you would still be open to a double hammer by scum.

I'm just going to see if anything happens with batt's vote on emp before deciding which of you it is, I'm currently leaning batt

[Battousai]

460 is in response to AV stating that I get rope today, and tomorrow Empking does.

[Battousai]

Given that everyone has posted since the TUG voted for you and none of us joined your bandwagon, I think it's safe to say that either batt or TUG is scum and by not noticing this and calling TUG scum for having his vote out on what would be town, you would still be open to a double hammer by scum.

I'm just going to see if anything happens with batt's vote on emp before deciding which of you it is, I'm currently leaning batt

That's just not good logic. A quicklynch involves 2 people being on at same time, and being able to gauge that the other will quickhammer before an unvote happens. Just because everyone posted once, doesn't mean both scum were on at the same time.

[Battousai]

Wait a second... the timespan between thor's vote and unvote is short. Only the mod, himself, and I posted during that time.

[Cheery Dog]

I failed to notice he had unvoted again, he's done it like 5 times now, I thought that last one was still on.

[AurorusVox]

I'm more certain of batt scum.
I fully intend to vote when I'm not phone posting.

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

Majiffy is the awesome one and I'm the mumbling bastich of the pair

Finally you admit it.

I was thinking it made sense to do as town, but then batt actually started off the massclaiming unprovoked except that we were saying it needed to happen.

You mean the massclaim where he claimed VT, then waited around until everyone claimed, renegged on that claim, and claimed a PR with a shoddy situation?
Yes, that is so brilliantly town.

Also, I'm sure Thor will agree when he reads Batt's latest posts;
VOTE: Batt

This is just ridiculous at this point.
-Majiffy

[AurorusVox]

Oh yeah.

Vote: Batt

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[Empking]

If Batt was town then I'd've scum to try and quicklynch me (or at least not vote Batt)

I'll

Vote: Batt

[AurorusVox]

Emp are you scum with TuG because if so I'll be very displeased.

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

[AurorusVox]

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[AurorusVox]

I had you, Thor. In my little meat fist.

I mean, I caught you because of a scumslip that wasn't a scumslip (if Batt wasn't your partner, then it's not like you were trying not to bus...) but let's ignore all of that.
DAMNIT I should have kept calling you scum regardless.

I wish I'd stayed aloof and not thought about things too hard. Or voted Emp.

[Majiffy]

T.T Thor isn't the only one posting under TUG why does everyone ignore me?