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Post Post #2775 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:07 am

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^ thats why im on LS
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Post Post #2776 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:05 am

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In post 2770, Oversoul wrote:LS, what do you think of Jal with relation to MSH calling him town?


Eh. I find it odd that he cleared Jal for a pretty weak reason (the fact that she unvoted and prevented a NK). I don't really get scummy vibes from it though, since he's been doing it pretty much since it happened. Plus, Jal has never been in any real danger this entire game, so it'd be unnecessary to call your buddy town so much. And risky. I think he was just hoping to manipulate Jal by calling her town a bunch of times. He did the same thing with me to, to an extent. :/

Seanald, why are you on LS exactly?

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Post Post #2777 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:33 am

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Had to break this up into 2 posts..as this was a long wot..sorry :(

Ugh..ok..i am guessing that one or more scum lie in the following: Seanald, Jal, LS...

Ok reviewing MS…

Here’s Michel’s original list of suspects:
In post 1899, MichelSableheart wrote:So it's mainly process of elimination that makes me look at scum in the group of Amrun, Arugula, PeregrineV, Porochaz, Sword

At least one scum in this group (Amrun) but would he risk naming two?

In post 2066, MichelSableheart wrote:With Porochaz' and RachMarie's names unlikely scum, that leaves Amrun, Peregrine and Sword as scumcandidates. Willing to join an Amrun wagon

He NEVER votes for Amrun. Again, he clears Arug/Rach and Poro, so with only 3 names in his list left and 1 of them certain scum (Amrun), I doubt he would have another scum listed in this batch.

In post 2186, MichelSableheart wrote:Sword attacked Seanald stromg and well during day 1, then was the first to unvote Seanald based on claiming a full name, then goes back to him day 2. That play feels very genuine to me. If Sword was scum, he could easily have went "it's only a vanilla claim" to try to push through a lynch.
He missed most of day 2 due to inactivity, continually promissing to try to catch up. But unlike Peregrine, he never stated he was caught up without actually contributing, and even his catch up posts are sometimes contentfull. Looks like genuine inactivity.

Here he semi-clears me..but leaves me open for later…

In post 2186, MichelSableheart wrote:Vote: PeregrineV
Amrun distancing a scummy partner is quite possible, whereas I have mild to strong townreads on virtually every other players in the game.

Now that Amrun is gone he pounces on Pere…I really don’t think he would bus here…

In post 2395, MichelSableheart wrote:In fact, combining me results with my townreads leaves me with only one name.
Vote: sword of omens
I'll also have to rethink my townreads, though.

And we are back to me.


In post 2404, MichelSableheart wrote:Jal, Last Survivor and to a lesser extend Cheery Dog are townreads, when Sword still reads neutral. I'm almost certainly wrong about some townreads, but chances that Sword is scum are high.

Above is MS’s new list.,..now that Amrun is gone he would most likely put in 1 scum in this new group. Jal, LS, Cheery.

In post 2520, MichelSableheart wrote:As mentioned before, I'm not going to vote one of my investigations. It's just a bad idea to lynch a near confirmed when there are unconfirmed players around. Since it seems I'll have to compromise, I'll
Vote: Cheerydog

When he can’t get my lynch, he switches to Cheery…


Michel:
Day 1: Voted on :
Idanny - (Idanny lynched)

Day 2: Voted on:
OversoulV1.0
-
(Guy named Riggs lynched)

Day 3: Voted on
OversoulV1.0 - (OversoulV1.0 lynched)

Day 4: Voted on
Nero - (Nero lynched)

Day 5: No Vote
(Amrun lynched)

Day 6 : Voted on Peregrine
- (Paid Pyro lynched)

Day 7: Voted on
Cheerydog - (Cheery Lynched)

Day 8: Voted on
Lowman
(Michel lynched)


Michel’s voting history shows consistent voting for Town (except for Nero) but that was a last minute hop on a dead horse. He also voted town when not on GNR’s lynch wagon. Given his mannerisms, I doubt he would vote for his scumbuddy (Pere) on the PaidPyro lynch. He’s also pushed Pere more than once as well. MS seems to play more calm and collected and I don’t see him as the bussing type.
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Post Post #2778 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:36 am

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Reviewing Jal:
For the most part Jal reads town to me, however
I’ve noted some of Jal’s stranger posts…

Michel was more or less inconsistent with his sign on times, and
this looks like it could be a heads up to MS warning/reminding him not to fake a “results” finding for the night of the black-out.
In post 2150, Jal wrote:The whole commuter thing probably means Michel doesn't have any results for today Bleh.


What I also didn’t like about Jal was her “if MS is scum then auto-clear the masons”. Scum certainly made it look that way by taking out one of them that same night. As if they were under the assumption that MS’s scum-flip would guarantee the Mason’s free and clear as town, which it didn’t.

Jal Votes:
Day 1: Voted on : Seanald -
(Idanny lynched)

Day 2: Voted on:
GNR
-
(Guy named Riggs lynched)

Day 3: Voted on
Nero
(Oversoul lynched)

Day 4: Voted on
Nero - (Nero lynched)

Day 5: Voted on
Amrun - (Amrun lynched)

Day 6 : Voted on
PaidPyro - (Paid Pyro lynched)

Day 7: Voted on
Cheerydog - (Cheery Lynched)

Day 8: No Vote –
(Michel lynched)


Vote-wise, though, Jal looks pretty decent…
Jal did vote Nero on OS’s lynch day, Nero again on his lynch day, and for Amrun.
Although she didn’t vote on MS. Meh..could be she bussed her 2 buddies then held off when MS was going down, but I have a hard time believing that..if she were scum with MS then I have a feeling she wouldn’t have had a problem voting him, rather than keeping him as town til the end.


At this point in time, I’d put her at the least of the three suspects…




I’ll go over LS and Seanald tomorrow…
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Post Post #2779 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:47 am

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vote pere
need to shit or get off the pot.
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Post Post #2780 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:07 pm

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VOTE: LastSurvivor

Just going with gut at this point.

Watch me be wrong after I was right about PP/Cheery. :/

LS is L-2
Pere is L-1


I'd like to wait for Sword to finish his LS and Seanald read before one of them dies.

LS I give you a better explanation after I finish this essay.
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Post Post #2781 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:10 pm

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@ Porocaz but im constipated. I can't decide.
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Post Post #2782 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:48 pm

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First, Porochaz
Second was talking about myself
Third. If we're going by prior behaviour you wil vote for LS in
3...
2...
1...
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Post Post #2783 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:49 pm

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oh hey, your already voting him... thats a surprise.

You should be voting pere though.
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Post Post #2784 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:21 am

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So ... I kinda passed out after that essay.

I'll get to it later today. I promise. >_>
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Post Post #2785 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:21 am

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Poro, why isn't LS scum?
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Post Post #2786 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:06 pm

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Back to work…
Up for bid today is one review of Last Survivor, with a side of Seanald.

Let’s start with LS:

His start-off looks good.. his posts are pretty solid as well..
He defended PMyst… brought up some decent arguments…


And Holy Shit, I also ran across this gem:

In post 1532, Lastsurvivor wrote:For simplicity's sake, let's look at the OS wagon.
Oversoul (5)
Nero Cain
, Porchaz,
MichalSableheart
, VisceraEyes,
Amrun

Porochaz hasn't really mentioned Nero at all, but hasn't justified his OS vote well (yesterday he had an excuse I guess).
MSH is being genuine I think.
VE...ah...nothing really from him. Nothing about Nero, nothing justifying his vote.
Amrun's been pushing OS hard and defending Nero. See this post.

So, in order of most likely to be Nero's partner to least: [Amrun/VE/Poro/MSH


I have a hard time believing that scumLS would hi-lite that many of his buddies like that...
It’d be some seriously funny shit if that list contained the whole scum team…
It definitely makes me want to go back and re-do the wagon analysis that day…


Something that stands out now that I read the ISO:
In post 2352, Lastsurvivor wrote:At this point, I pretty much think everyone's town except for Cheery and sword, and I don't think either are particularly scummy


In post 2408, Lastsurvivor wrote:Something in this game isn't adding up. PereV is Ren...I dunno the show, but it seems like a protagonist. I'm going to guess there's a name Godfather of sorts...a protagonist who's scum. I'm not going to vote PereV based on that speculation though.
So hum. I guess I'll vote Sword.
VOTE: Sword of Omens
The last post from him is pretty wishy washy, going back and forth on MSH.


In post 2497, Lastsurvivor wrote:ohey Cheery I forgot you existed.
Now, can you prop up a real reason for me being scum that's not associative?
----
I skimmed Sword's ISO yday. Didn't see anything damning.
Cheery's ISO is next. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that this game is not how it seems.

Originally I jumped on LS for his post about Pere and his vote on me…
I didn’t even realize that he already had me as one of his likelies for scum, and he also came back and explained his reasoning on why he thought Pere was cleared..so it makes a bit more sense…He did say he forgot about Cheery though (after stating that he was also a likely scumdidate) so that’s a small point against him..looking at the rest of his ISO is pretty solid..i guess I put him in my group of possible scum because I didn’t really remember much about him during the game up until the last couple of days where he voted me..so that was probably me jumping the gun…

LS is looking pretty solid ISO-wise..so now i’m thinking he might not be the lynch for the day…
Moving on:


Voting history:

Day 1: Voted on
iDanny – (iDanny is lynched)

Day 2: Voted on
OversoulV1.0 - (Guy Named Riggs is lynched)

Day 3: NO VOTE –
(OversoulV1.0 is lynched)

Day 4: Voted on
Nero – (Nero is lynched)

Day 5: Voted on Pere –
(Amrun is lynched)

Day 6: Voted on
Paid Pyro - (Paid Pyro is lynched)

Day 7: Voted on
CheeryDog - (CheeryDog is lynched)


Well shit…based on his revelation (from above) , now I’m curious why he didn’t Vote for Amrun on her lynch day right after the Nero flip?Going back and reading the days events…
He started out with:
In post 1802, Lastsurvivor wrote:Note to self that I need to look at Amrun later.

And even this:
In post 1822, Lastsurvivor wrote:Amrun defends NC hard. Posts like this are pretty scummy as well (AMG OS V1 ADMITTED IT WAS OMGUS HE'S SCUM GETTIM GUYS).

And instead throws a vote down on Arugula (not even in the list)
Then because of Arugula flaking changes to Pere:
In post 1971, Lastsurvivor wrote:Pere's scum.
Amrun is pretty likely scum, but I like her recent posts because she was pushing Perescum. I might read her ISO, like I said I was going to but never did. :/

In post 2060, Lastsurvivor wrote:Also tots agree with Seanald re PP. I'll vote Amrun once Rach gets her question answered or whatever

A bunch of back and forth with Amrun and LS with a final intent to hammer.
In the next post, Rach hammers….

Well..that was kind of anti-climactic..
I really was hoping for something more out of that…
Alright, still think he should’ve started out chasing Amrun, but I still have to say that LS is most likely town..i really did like his post hi-lighting the 3 (known) scum and i highly doubt that scum would do that...


Also…it’s taken me most of the stupid day to write this, seeing as how work has been having me run back in to meetings and crap all day..so my Seanald will prob have to come tomorrow…
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Post Post #2787 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:16 pm

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vote count:


LastSurvivor (3) seanald, Oversoul, Oversoul
Peregrine (4) last survivor, Lowman, Jal, Porochaz
Seanald (1) PeregrineV

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Post Post #2788 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:57 pm

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you could just realize that your seanald case will end up being a hodge podge of scummy actions and myslynches but nothing that really leads to anything sensical.

However I like your cases. But who are you going to vote? or where are you leaning to vote right now since you havn't done the case one me yet.
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Post Post #2789 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:28 pm

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@Sword
:
In post 2778, sword_of_omens wrote:this looks like it could be a heads up to MS warning/reminding him not to fake a “results” finding for the night of the black-out.


Rach had already announced using her ability in-thread.

Thinking about this, given that MSH cleared Rach, scum knew what role Rach was and probably what happened/was going to happen already when Rach soft claimed to be using her ability the day prior. Only ones posting at the time (before the mod came back) were CKD, OS, me, Seanald, LS, and Rach. CKD had such an obvious town reaction of not knowing what was going on, and OS telling everyone to shut up seems like town trying to figure out what happened. Lastsurvivor gave no real reaction, except to comment on the mod starting the day early, so no town or scum indicator there.

Getting a minor scum read on Seanald though, for his first reaction was to try to imply that the only reason CKD took so long was to talk things over with scum buddies, while also saying he's town:

In post 2108, Seanald wrote:since your alone, I find it strange that you took so long to send in a submission. I almost think your 100% town but why take so long other than to talk it over with scum buddies. Just sayin.


I feel like he is almost... blaming CKD?
Other than that, similar to LS, he gives no reaction
to the event itself
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Post Post #2790 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:36 pm

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In post 1532, Lastsurvivor wrote:For simplicity's sake, let's look at the OS wagon.
Oversoul (5)
Nero Cain
, Porchaz,
MichalSableheart
, VisceraEyes,
Amrun

Porochaz hasn't really mentioned Nero at all, but hasn't justified his OS vote well (yesterday he had an excuse I guess).
MSH is being genuine I think.
VE...ah...nothing really from him. Nothing about Nero, nothing justifying his vote.
Amrun's been pushing OS hard and defending Nero. See this post.

So, in order of most likely to be Nero's partner to least: [Amrun/VE/Poro/MSH


This
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Post Post #2791 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:38 pm

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In post 2788, Seanald wrote:you could just realize that your seanald case will end up being a hodge podge of scummy actions and myslynches but nothing that really leads to anything sensical.


Preemptly defending yourself, eh?

Has anyone here played with Seanald before?
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Post Post #2792 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:37 pm

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In post 2788, Seanald wrote:you could just realize that your seanald case will end up being a hodge podge of scummy actions and myslynches but nothing that really leads to anything sensical.

If its anything like mine it won't.

Also noone has really convinced me of LS's scumminess and on my read through I felt he was town.
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Post Post #2793 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:43 am

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I think I have Jal. Either that or I read one of his games. This is pretty typical of him in my mind.
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Post Post #2794 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:23 am

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Meh... Tempted to go to Pere despite my better judgment.
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Post Post #2795 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:24 am

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In post 2794, Oversoul wrote:Meh... Tempted to go to Pere despite my better judgment.


That's cool. Let Sword finish his player analysis, since they have good info.

Vote: Last survivor

Although logic dictates Seanald is the better lynch, there has to be some on the other side.

We are both at L-1. Save your doublevote for another day if you can, it should only take one vote to hammer.
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Post Post #2796 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:26 am

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In post 2795, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2794, Oversoul wrote:Meh... Tempted to go to Pere despite my better judgment.


That's cool. Let Sword finish his player analysis, since they have good info.

Vote: Last survivor

Although logic dictates Seanald is the better lynch, there has to be some on the other side.

We are both at L-1. Save your doublevote for another day if you can, it should only take one vote to hammer.


Nevermind, just saw the vote count. Sword will be the hammer unless someone moves from where they are.
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Post Post #2797 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:44 am

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I don't think he can use the double vote on a different day anyway.

@OS, yeah I went through his games earlier and noticed that. Bleh.
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Post Post #2798 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:47 am

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@Sword,

In post 2124, sword_of_omens wrote:most likely a blackout ability...


You said this before Rach said what her ability was. Why did you think someone used a blackout ability?
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Post Post #2799 (ISO) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:45 am

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In post 2797, Jal wrote:I don't think he can use the double vote on a different day anyway.

@OS, yeah I went through his games earlier and noticed that. Bleh.


In post 928, PinkyandtheBrain wrote:Parrot Robot (aka doublevoter) - The parrot robot repeats a vote cast by a player. The person who receives the parrot robot will have their vote counted twice during 1 day phase.
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