Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Tazaro]

What we know from MoI's scumteam:

1. His team most likely dont have Investigation Immunity.

2. His team doesnt consist of Mehdi, Elmo, or Voided or GI

3. Tammy could be a possible buddy as does Seanald.

4. TheBois are most likely a buddy with MoI, but I dont want him lynched yet

5. StephanB is near conftown

You write Seanald write smack dab in the middle of this. And you like Tammy the Good to that.
Take note of a while back when I voted for Seanald. Salamence did not vote for him until he did suddenly after I did.

VOTE: Salamence

[Tazaro]

*link, not like

[Tazaro]

I've seen her do this before and she turned up town so pulling the vote for now.

Being that I am pretty sure that Tammy is town. Would Seanald admit to this reason to unvote her if he were scum?

[PeregrineV]

I saw where extra vote and Governor was claimed, so Sal and Gentlemen are probably town.

With Invest Immune, RB, and NK remaining unclaimed, they probably went to scum.

Kind of been ignoring the screaming, but will go back to see if Seanald is a good lynch.

Tammy is currently leaning town, but I'll look over her other scum games, since her Good vs Evil style is similar but still distinguishable from her Team Mafia style.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Tazaro, yes, because he's bad at playing scum.

Now put your vote back on Seanald please.

[Tazaro]

GB: town

VOTE: Salamence

[Tazaro]

Meant to:
GB: town
VOTE: Seanald

[Tazaro]

<_<

VOTE: Seanald

[Mehdi2277]

Sala I realize matt likes bussing, but to do so that hard is really doubtful (along with the rest of his play). If you're half-clearing people based on MoI's reads while it's worth looking at later with some flips in it right now I doubt it'll help much (I'd expect at least one scum on it even though I doubt he'd tunnel a partner early myself). Stefan does go up quite a bit based on his flip though (and pitty goes down).

Grey, what 3rd party claims and pretty much gives the town a double lynch? I don't care if he's scum for he dies after we remove all other scum if needed (since we can just control his kill).

[PeregrineV]

Tazaro, yes, because he's bad at playing scum.

Now put your vote back on Seanald please.

Quick question, why is Seanald scum again? I only ask because MoI's opening and only vote was on Seanald, and it's way too early in the day to think MoI would be expecting to get away with bussing.

[Mehdi2277]

The only reason sean is scum that I can't defend on is his avoidance of the thread (which I'll just guess as given up town, but main thing is overall I think he's town). Reg we agree on defender. Any desire to compromise with me?

[Mehdi2277]

Continuing on the MoI dislikes bussing thing from my knowledge of him he rarely does it unless needed. One quick example is words with scum where he won with 0 bussing. He generally thinks partners alive is more important then town cred.

[StefanB]

I don't have the oracle.

I disagree that nightkill should claim.

Roleblock perhaps.

Okay Grey even if BB is a Sk (and this one is a big if considering his play) how is he a good lynch today?
We don't need the SK dead now. Let Mafia take care of it. At the moment he is usful for town.

Btw I have played with a bulletprove miller who could become a vig. And this was the role!!! And you can take 3 guises on the Mod.


MoIs iso:
Gentlemen and GreyIce are not scumpartners of MoI from his opening.
Sealid I don't think so from what I know about MoIs scumgame.

Sala is town. (perhaps unrealated)

No idea of scumpartners in MoIs ISO.

So the leadwagon is someone scum wanted dead.

Vote: Defender

I wanted MoI dead because he is more dangerous as scum than other players. I disagree that that was luck. Thanks BB.
Defender missing the quicktopic is not so telling like MoI.
I don't like Voided, but can't exactly pinpoint it.

I played with MoI scum also and we won with all scum alive.

[PeregrineV]

I disagree that nightkill should claim.

Why would town not claim the NK if they have it? They can't be killed, and they don't have to use it tonight if they fear scum roleblock.

[Mehdi2277]

Going through MoI's iso neither sean or BB is scum with him (the way he fosed both that he'd have been pretty much needed to vote them if pressured). I don't think MoI's scum team has investigative immunity (probably belongs to the other team since no one has claimed it). Voided is likely not scum with him based on the way he reacts to GB's strong town read there.

174 is a weak scum tell for Tammy (MoI could have ignored the meta aspect and attacked her for it without much trouble).

I don't think any scum knew that town had a qt based on his reaction to it (which already said hurts Pitty some). Don't think sala is with MoI based on 186 and 223. Slight scum tell there for Peregine as well based on MoI not really using the question to an attack, but just backed down kind of (rest of his play for now keeps him as town).

Already mentioned stefan not with him and don't think GB is either.

Overall while it's helped some town reads only person I think it hurts a good amount right now to put as a scum read is Pitty.

Pitty's walls themselves are pretty strange when she complained to me about walls quite a bit in a recently finished game. She knows as scum she uses them more, but I think it's scummy anyway. Right now I want defender or pitty lynched most (defender much more, but I'd accept a pitty lynch just fine).

Town claiming NK I like since it let's us vote on it (I think triple lynches is more important then decreasing scum's ability to affect the lynch).

[StefanB]

Okay, that is a good argument.
I am still thinking to normal.
I have neither the nightkill nor the roleblook.

[PeregrineV]

Overall while it's helped some town reads only person I think it hurts a good amount right now to put as a scum read is Pitty.

Was going to ignore the whole town and scum PM statement from them, but with MoI's flip, it's a possible slip at this point.

Vote: Pitty

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Peregrine and Stefan, first off, you are assuming that MoI and Seanald are on the same team which is not necessarily true. Secondly, even if they are, it is perfectly within MoI's scum meta to turbo bus a weak player (see this game where he turbo busses the Godfather less than 5 pages into the game).

Mehdi, I'm not Regfan, but no. We both feel very strongly that he's scum. He's getting lynched today.

Despite all this, don't vote Seanald just yet. Let the wagon on him marinate a bit while we try to draw as much content from the thread as possible (Tammy, waiting on you especially). The efficiency bonus isn't worth it, so don't even bother.

[Mehdi2277]

In

general

MoI doesn't bus (which two examples of games he did pretty much none have been given as well). At the same time I'm also fairly sure on my town read on him so I want to know who else you'd be willing to lynch.

[D3f3nd3r]

BBMolla's claim: Way too early. From past experience, early miller claims came when a player was L-1 from an RVS wagon, even though the player in that game was scum. It's either scum playing it safe or a genuine town claim, probably the former. IMO, a town miller should claim towards the end of the day, not in the first post of it.

What games have you been playing, in nearly every game I've played with a miller they've claimed immediately day one.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22472: Shotty claimed miller when pressed during RVS. He was scum.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Forgot to mention one other thing: Salamance, you need to check your assumptions. However, I do agree that VM and Stefan look even better as town after MoI's flip (still want to mull this over with Regfan a bit, though).

P-Edit: This dude isn't town. Don't get me wrong, Defender's a fine alternate wagon since his posts have been worthless, but my very soul screams with the desire to see Seanald flip red.

[Mehdi2277]

BBMolla's claim: Way too early. From past experience, early miller claims came when a player was L-1 from an RVS wagon, even though the player in that game was scum. It's either scum playing it safe or a genuine town claim, probably the former. IMO, a town miller should claim towards the end of the day, not in the first post of it.

What games have you been playing, in nearly every game I've played with a miller they've claimed immediately day one.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22472: Shotty claimed miller when pressed during RVS. He was scum.

It's also site meta to claim in the first post as true miller and most follow it. The majority of town millers claim early. Saying him claiming early as a fos reason is really dumb.

I don't care if he's scum anyway (pretty sure he's town, but fosing him now is stupid anyway). He let's us have double lynches which is very useful.

Sat I just heavily doubt he's scum. Only fos reason I think is decent on him right now is thread avoidance. I can understand the others, but completely disagree with them.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm FoSing him as a Miller. It's better how he's a Vig.

[Mehdi2277]

I don't even care if he's scum right now. If he's scum he can be lynched later (after removing other scum). The fact you can't see how his day vig doesn't make him near clear when he claimed it and was willing to have it negotiated is bad. What kind of scum pretty much becomes a person who can do a second lynch for the town?

[Magua]

"While money can't buy happiness, it certainly lets you choose your own form of misery."
-- Groucho Marx

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