Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Salamence20]

Thought so. Night.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Hey, just wanted to relay a message/reminder from Regfan that we absolutely need to make sure the list is compiled before the day ends.

Also, fucking LOL at Elmo wanting Investigation Immunity as soon as he hears he might get copped. No way you're getting that, bud.

Tammy, I'm gonna dig into your recent posts in just a bit as I'm doing other stuff at the moment.

No way im getting what? I'm lost on that one. All I have is investigation immunity.

No NK here

[Tammy]

So, Elmo are you claiming to have investigation immunity?

Why didn't you claim it earlier if so?

Also, if you could describe in bright and shiny colors why you're languishing on my wagon if you're not scum. That would be awesome...thanks.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

Elmo, why did you bid on Investigation Immunity?

I said that because I thought you were putting yourself on the list for the next night's bidding list (which is what Mehdi's list is for, not last night's winnings).

P-Edit: You're stealing my thunder too Tammy?

[GreyICE]

No NK, no investigation immunity.

Seanald is fairly obvious town at this point IMHO.

I need more time to read, but I have an interview tomorrow at 9 AM, so on first glance the plan seems solid. Although I do have a concern I'll voice tomorrow.

I will say I did bid on the roleblocker, but got outbid. Also tried to drive the price up on the investigation immunity, even though I didn't expect to win (one tactic that worked very well for me in the first game was to drive up the price of auctions I didn't expect to win, to drain the town's money supply. The same concept works in reverse).

[Voidedmafia]

Fucking hell, 7 pages in a span of 4-6 hours? And there's probably more while I write this wall.

For catchup Post 483[/quote] feels really underwhelming. Maybe it's just how incomplete it looks (how far is that up to, anyways?), but it doesn't make me think she's any townier.

Listen,

Defender case is that he is lurking. Seanald case actually has a LOT more to it, we can lynch Defender tomorrow, please vote Seanald today >.<

IIRC the case on Defender wasn't just that he was lurking.

Oracle bidder:
Extra voter bidder:
Governor bidder:
Investigation immunity bidder (Needs to be a town-read):
Alternative negative utility item bidder:

I should assume that these are taken already, but I'll bid on an alternate neg-utility.

Rest of pages deals with claiming stuff, blah blah. I already claimed no NK or II, and I thought I said I didn't have Oracle.

SEANALD YOU WILL BUY THE FUCKING ORACLE OR DIE!

I guess I can agree, but could someone explain the necessity for this (if this is explained by page 27 ignore this request).

NK doesn't so much work on a list because we'd need someone with maximum funds to do the bidding on it and if we put someone there who doesn't have enough money we've just fucked ourselves plus it gives scum a night kill target to prevent us holding and keeping nightkill. Also I vote on Phill or Guile or Elmo being investigated. Hate to admit it but Seanalds unprompted claim and reasoning behind it comes across as genuine.

Most of those posts on this page (Page 24, I think) feel genuine. The later posts (when he's talking about Oracle) do nag me about him possibly sounding like that to skirt by, but I think that's just paranoia or something.

Oracle bidder:

Sean

Extra voter bidder:
Governor bidder:
Investigation immunity bidder (Needs to be a town-read):
Alternative negative utility item bidder:
Tracker bidder:
Watcher bidder:

Gentlemen

Wait, who claimed Oracle?

I am not the NKer, but I accidentally PMed this to Bois. I then sent another PM to him and Magua saying that I clicked the wrong button.

...This is force-replace worthy, right?

imho i think the seanald situ will work itself out. im not really concerned about figuring it out right now.

So is this supposed to mean you don't see him as scum anymore? What changed your mind?

Reg who exactly would you want with the Investigation Immunity? At the moment I'd be fine giving it to Ice, yourself, SPB, voided, Molla, and Tammy. There are other people I wouldn't argue if they bought it those are just the people I'd be most comfortable with having it.

I'd rather not take II. If, in the coming days, your townreads on me wane then I'd prefer to be able to be investigated rather than not.

I refuse to have VM buy it. That leaves you, Mehdi. Sorry babe.

PEDIT: Don't answer Sea's question, Mehdi.

Okay, I know I don't want it, but why don't you want me to have it?

Thread locked temporarily. Don't panic.

Wut.

No way im getting what? I'm lost on that one. All I have is investigation immunity.

No NK here

Dafuq?

More or less stealing GB's little reads list, with some changes of my own.

Strong town reads:

BBMolla, The Bois, Mehdi, Stefan, Sala, Tammy.

Weaker town reads:

GreyICE, Pere, Tazaro, Pitty, GreyGnarl

Null reads:

Guile, Phillamon

Weaker scum reads

: Elmo, Eidolon, Seanald.

Strong scum reads:

D3F3nder

(Okay, that wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.)

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.14

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

D3f3nd3r (7): Mehdi2277, StefanB, greygnarl, PeregrineV, Phillammon, Tazaro, BBmolla
Seanald (3): SlumberPartyBois, Gentlemen Bastards, Pitty
Tammy (1): Elmo TeH AzN
BBmolla (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (7): Guille2015, Voidedmafia, D3f3nd3r, Eidolon, Seanald, Salamence20, Tammy

Deadline is November 12th, at 11:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-12 22:00:00)

[StefanB]

I will bid on the tracker (if we get one), hope this is okay.

[PeregrineV]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Two counts of auction investigator (auction+player=did they get it?)
Targeted vote blocker (target+player=target can't vote player)
Two counts of banker (how much $$$?)
Three counts of Sixth Sense (if target dies, get to talk to them)
Vig shot
Four counts of untrackable and/or unwatchable Master of Ninjitsu Arts
Three counts sartor, who is really a fake investigation results giver
Two counts of follower (where did they go?, but not what they do)
Stalker (eyeball a player, who visits them?)

[guille2015]

Only the more relevant stuff.

Page 8:

@Stephan: Scumslip much?

Same thing as MoI. The diference is that MoI made a big deal out of it, and Defender was not even available, hence he came out of it clean.

Page 10:

Here is were the QT thing heated up. Stephan mentions the QT and calls out for MoI saying that MoI could not possibly have missed the QT proposed from the Mod. It's clear, in retrospect, that MoI simply checked the Fake PM and the Intro for the QT reference. Thus his lashing out. MoI could simply say that he missed it, but he didn't. Interesting enough, he completely disappeared after he got this pressure, and somebody somewhere mentioned that they say him posting elsewhere. IMO, this last part is a much graver scum tell than missing what's on the PM. For the record I agree with those that the particular information that MoI missed appears to be information sent to everyone in the game regardless of alignment, in which case MoI did in fact missed his or scum didn't get it, which would have been bad modding from Magua.
Stephan, Greygnarl, Sala and Phillamon use the miss by MoI as an Obvscum tell. I think the real tell was him going bonkers on it and not simply saying "I missed it, sorry".

Page 11-12:

Pitty clarified her information about the QT thing. Gangbang on seanald. Nothing more of note.

Page 13:

There is a fight between GreyIce and SPB. SPB is planning the doctors action. This is normally not a good idea. I don't know why they want to protect themselves over anyone else.

Page 14:

I disagree with GreyIce 327 position of why SPB are scum. First because he believed the Molla Claim and second because he wanted GreyIce (and others) vigged. Not substantial really. The rest of the page goes on about the same about how SBP buddies with GB. Generally I don't agree with GreyIce and I think he is tunneling. Last time I saw him do this, he was town.

Page 15:

I dislike Medhi's Post 352. His scum reads are players who haven't posted. This game has at least 5-6 scum and he has 6 players in null and scum reads. Not particularly good reads really. I agree with GreyIce and GB that a plan is requiered to maximize town's powers. Last game GreyIce Won because he basically had all the good powers. Bmolla Kills MoI.

Page 16:

GreyIce goes crazy here. "MoI is really fucking GOOD when he's town." I actually agree with this. Shooting MoI was dumb and the fact that he ended up being scum was luck. That Bmolla was telling the truth however, is not an indication of his alignment. For the time being though, he is more of a threat to mafia then to Town.

Page 17:

Repercusions. Sala's vague information in 421.

Page 18:

Page 19:

Sala's clarification 457, I agree with 1, 2 (GreyIce not being MoI's buddy) and 5. ISOing MoI is a good idea. But I want to remind everyone that MoI had another mafia team he knows nothing about, which means that he can't force lynches too hard for fear of catching the other Mafia. This applies to the remaining mafia since they half to be careful not to lynch or kill the other mafia.

Page 20:

I am tired. Caveat, I haven't seen defender as scum, but in the games I was with him (2) he vaguely posted and had crap defense, which got him lynched early in both games. I like to point out that this game, the lack of posting is amplified due to a large number of posts that happen per day.

Page 21:

Yeah, I noticed the "scumslip much?" Basically the only reason I am not against the Defender Lynch.

Page 22 and onward:

Planning so I don't have to analyze these pages.

tl;dr:

MoI's shot might hae been luck but his stumbling and reaction to the QT makes him Obvscum in retrospect. Anybody that was headstrong about Killing or Lynching MoI because of this slip is likely Town. Having someone like MoI as scum would have been beneficial for the scum parties so the other Mafia team will likely not Force the issue, they will also likely not get too involve in it though.
Defender is playing at his town Meta from what I recognize. However, he echoed MoI's QT slip. I am in favor of his Lynch.
Planing on the Oracled abilities is a good idea.

[guille2015]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Two counts of auction investigator (auction+player=did they get it?)
Targeted vote blocker (target+player=target can't vote player)
Two counts of banker (how much $$$?)
Three counts of Sixth Sense (if target dies, get to talk to them)
Vig shot
Four counts of untrackable and/or unwatchable Master of Ninjitsu Arts
Three counts sartor, who is really a fake investigation results giver
Two counts of follower (where did they go?, but not what they do)
Stalker (eyeball a player, who visits them?)

Wait? where'd you get this?

[PeregrineV]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Two counts of auction investigator (auction+player=did they get it?)
Targeted vote blocker (target+player=target can't vote player)
Two counts of banker (how much $$$?)
Three counts of Sixth Sense (if target dies, get to talk to them)
Vig shot
Four counts of untrackable and/or unwatchable Master of Ninjitsu Arts
Three counts sartor, who is really a fake investigation results giver
Two counts of follower (where did they go?, but not what they do)
Stalker (eyeball a player, who visits them?)

Wait? where'd you get this?

I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question.

[greygnarl]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Auction Investigator: Checks what that player won. x2
Blocker: Stops one player from voting another. x1
Banker: Checks to see how much money someone has. x2
Sixth Sense: Targets a player and if they die you get a QT with them. x3
Night-kill
MoNA: Cannot be tracked or watched x4
Sartor: Gives fake investigation results. x3
Follower: Tracker. x2
Stalker: Watcher

Clarified because I'm awesome. and that was confusing as hell.
Does the MoNA stop people from being watched or does it stop watcher's from seeing you visit their target?
Is Sartor like Investigative Immunity?

pedit: He is the fucking Oracle

[PeregrineV]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Auction Investigator: Checks what that player won. x2
Blocker: Stops one player from voting another. x1
Banker: Checks to see how much money someone has. x2
Sixth Sense: Targets a player and if they die you get a QT with them. x3
Night-kill
MoNA: Cannot be tracked or watched x4
Sartor: Gives fake investigation results. x3
Follower: Tracker. x2
Stalker: Watcher

Clarified because I'm awesome. and that was confusing as hell.
Does the MoNA stop people from being watched or does it stop watcher's from seeing you visit their target?
Is Sartor like Investigative Immunity?

pedit: He is the fucking Oracle

The MASTER gets to choose which of his nocturnal jaunts are invivisble to the Follower or Stalker.

Sartor seems more like framer, can pick the player and the "result" that an investigation on that player will return.

Banker is not player specific.

[Salamence20]

Again, MoI shot was not luck.

[guille2015]

Night1 auction items have been posted.
Paraphrased for your reading pleasure.

Two counts of auction investigator (auction+player=did they get it?)
Targeted vote blocker (target+player=target can't vote player)
Two counts of banker (how much $$$?)
Three counts of Sixth Sense (if target dies, get to talk to them)
Vig shot
Four counts of untrackable and/or unwatchable Master of Ninjitsu Arts
Three counts sartor, who is really a fake investigation results giver
Two counts of follower (where did they go?, but not what they do)
Stalker (eyeball a player, who visits them?)

Wait? where'd you get this?

I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question.

You said this was posted, but i don't see it anywhere. Are you the oracle.

[Tazaro]

What do you mean by "Banker is not player specific"? Does it reveal the amount of money that one "random" person has?

[PeregrineV]

@Guille- posted in my QT. Yes.

@Taz-no, total $$$ all players have, minus the money they don't have on them

[greygnarl]

GreyICE had nothing to say. Sala you better vote.

[greygnarl]

Should we claim anything we want to buy?

[StefanB]

Thinks we don't want in scumhands:
Targeted vote blocker (target+player=target can't vote player)
Vig shot

StefanB

Four counts of untrackable and/or unwatchable Master of Ninjitsu Arts
Three counts sartor, who is really a fake investigation results giver

From the nice think I think a priority:
Stalker

Nice thinks
Two counts of auction investigator (auction+player=did they get it?)
Three counts of Sixth Sense (if target dies, get to talk to them)
Two counts of follower (where did they go?, but not what they do)
Stalker (eyeball a player, who visits them?)

Thinks I don't understands:
Two counts of banker (how much $$$?)

So we want people, who bide on the first group and I think on Stalker: I will try to get the vigkill, if this is okay. The vote blocker should be taken and burnt tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

@StefanB- If you want the NK, it would be preferable if you invested all of your money night1 and so will be bidding in the $200+ range. If you don't win it, then we at least want to make it cost prohibitive for scum to acquire it.

Banker tells how much money total exists that is not elsewhere.

Same rules apply. Town wins of scum abilities (vote blocker, MASTER, Framer) should be claimed immediately.

[StefanB]

Pere: If they want that kill, it will cost them a lot I can promise that.

[guille2015]

Is the Vig kill the same as the night Kill?

[PeregrineV]

Is the Vig kill the same as the night Kill?

Yes, since paraphrasing was required.

@Stefan- fair enough. I'm good with you having it and max-bidding on it.