Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Voidedmafia]

matt and i think you are scum.

But I don't even get where this read came from! Again, the first instance of you claiming any sort of scumread on me was when you wanted me vigged

this plan calls for town reads to be recipients of cash from nontown reads. no one who has you as a strong town read has stepped up to say that you are a better recipient than the others that have been proposed as recipients. dont see the issue here?

There's the issue of "where was this explained, or where was it explained in easily understood language" that would've helped me understand why I got shunted (or at least that's what it feels like).

and who cares if mafia drive the price up? if we have to pay in the $200s to take the nk its worth it and it will give us some ideas of who the scum who bid it up that high is.

My point was to disprove GB's point that mafia would be hesitant to bid high, not whether or not it should matter if they do.

the point with this plan is that we are keeping track of the flow of money and making people accountable for it while stockpiling it on the most likely town players in the game.

Okay, now I'm on the same page and I'm fine with it because this makes sense.

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.17

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

D3f3nd3r (8): Mehdi2277, StefanB, greygnarl, PeregrineV, Phillammon, Tazaro, BBmolla, Pitty
Seanald (2): SlumberPartyBois, Gentlemen Bastards
Tammy (1): Elmo TeH AzN
BBmolla (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (7): Guille2015, Voidedmafia, D3f3nd3r, Eidolon, Seanald, Salamence20, Tammy

Deadline is November 12th, at 11:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-12 22:00:00)

[greygnarl]

Voided you are transferring money because there were a good number of people who were wary of you earlier in the day. With so many people agreeing to the plan you wasting time arguing is going to cost us another day while we change it. You didn't do anything to help your towniness by wall-posting right there. If that's how you play then fine, but understand that it comes across as a bit scummy.

[Salamence20]

With so many people agreeing to the plan you wasting time arguing is going to cost us another day while we change it.

Thats the point!

Voided is scum.
Elmo is scum.
Seanald is scum.

[guille2015]

^What about Defender?

[guille2015]

So, Elmo is the last person that needs to claim and we end the day.

Can we get an Updated list of the plan?

[Salamence20]

^What about Defender?

Hes confscum that dies today.

[guille2015]

Eidolon?

[Tazaro]

So, Elmo is the last person that needs to claim and we end the day.

Can we get an Updated list of the plan?

[Salamence20]

Im hoping shes a vig target.

Pretty much all lurkers/fluffers are claiming scum by hindering us of information and lowering the efficency bonus.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided you are transferring money because there were a good number of people who were wary of you earlier in the day.

And who were those (Besides Slumber)? I only remember maybe one other person being suspicious of me (that being Eidolon), so names, please.

With so many people agreeing to the plan you wasting time arguing is going to cost us another day while we change it.

Like I said, losing $5 isn't going to kill you nor Sala (well, it'd kill BB, I guess, but then he's some kind of miller vig that's more or less only useful for his shot until shown otherwise, so). I'd rather understand a plan even if it'd cost a day than go into it just for the sake of a couple extra bucks and potentially completely screw it up, wouldn't you?

Stop trying to turn this into a reason to call me scummy. It's stupid, it's senseless, and it's more useless than what you're trying to call me useless for. If you have some other reason to call me scummy, then please start saying such because I haven't seen anything (besides this) indicating I'm scummy from people who're alive, only GB's case that I'm town, and it's annoying.

You didn't do anything to help your towniness by wall-posting right there. If that's how you play then fine, but understand that it comes across as a bit scummy.

...You didn't even read the bottom part of it, did you?

[greygnarl]

you're being shallow. Losing the efficiency bonus costs the town $75. That's like a whole ability.

[greygnarl]

And FTR I have you as a weak townread. I'm a bit hesitant to give Slumber so much control but the plan seems pretty good.

[SlumberPartyBois]

Voided, let me make this clear as day for you:

1) It does not matter why anyone thinks you are scummy right now, we will discuss it tomorrow. The only thing you have to understand is that the 8 players on the mission are considered townier than you. Therefore you will be transferring money.

2) You needing explanation for this is a waste of money. It is not worth it, we will discuss it tomorrow

3) If you do not in your next post agree to the plan proposed then you will be PLd tomorrow, which is against any wincon you have

Think about those things and respond accordingly in your next post. Thanks.

[Voidedmafia]

you're being shallow. Losing the efficiency bonus costs the town $75. That's like a whole ability.

Um, we're nowhere near losing the entire thing?

It's only be 6-7 days. We're still getting at least $30-$35 if defender is hammered today. That's still enough to potentially buy an ability/put down a minimum bid, or enough to be worth investing/transferring. Of course I'd like to have a little extra cash in my pocket for tonight, but again, I'm not going to take that small bit just to go through with a plan I haven't understood entirely when that lack of understanding could cost us the game. That's an entirely reasonable stance to take.

If I'm somehow being shallow (which I'm not), you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

P-EDIT

And FTR I have you as a weak townread. I'm a bit hesitant to give Slumber so much control but the plan seems pretty good.

Even so...

1) It does not matter why anyone thinks you are scummy right now, we will discuss it tomorrow. The only thing you have to understand is that the 8 players on the mission are considered townier than you. Therefore you will be transferring money.

Be that as it may, I can't just let people say I'm suspect without at least one decent reasoning behind it. Especially because I've yet to recieve such a reason from

you

.

2) You needing explanation for this is a waste of money. It is not worth it, we will discuss it tomorrow

It's a waste of money to ensure that all facets of the plan will go as smoothly as possible?

3) If you do not in your next post agree to the plan proposed then you will be PLd tomorrow, which is against any wincon you have

Ignoring the obvious fact that this is not PL material, I already stated agreement when I said this plan made sense to me. Here, in case you missed it:

I agree.

[Salamence20]

Again, the information we need is being stalled. This should of been handled a long time ago.

[greygnarl]

Slumber shut up about the PL. But seriously Voided, even GreyICE agreed.

Since when were we on a mission?

pedit: Each time we lose the efficiency bonus, Town is essentially deprived of $75 or probably $70 if you assume 6 scums.

[SlumberPartyBois]

Just tryin 2 get shit done yo

[Voidedmafia]

Again, the information we need is being stalled. This should of been handled a long time ago.

The plan was only brought up maybe 12 hours ago, more or less. And I've only had time to be around to discuss it for maybe 5 of those 12. Pardon me for wanting clarification.

pedit: Each time we lose the efficiency bonus, Town is essentially deprived of $75 or probably $70 if you assume 6 scums.

Six scum doesn't equal $70?

[greygnarl]

14 townies does.

[Gentlemen Bastards]

You know what would own? If Elmo actually showed up in this thread and posted clear compliance with the plan.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not just VM.

[greygnarl]

Elmo hasn't posted since he left this thread.

[Voidedmafia]

14 townies does.

Oh, okay. I'm just using the wrong number, derp.

You know what would own? If Elmo actually showed up in this thread and posted clear compliance with the plan.

We can only hope he will <_<

What I'm trying to say is that it's not just VM.

Difference being that I was trying to understand the plan before giving assent while Elmo hasn't even bothered to do anything of importance beyond two more-or-less throwaway posts? Point being that my "stalling" had a purpose (to further my understanding of Slumber's plan), while Elmo's just...not doing anything, including not being here.

[greygnarl]

Nobody is policy lynching you. The reason I was upset si because you spent so much time making that fucking wall yesterday, but didn't understand the plan.

[Voidedmafia]

Nobody is policy lynching you. The reason I was upset is because you spent so much time making that fucking wall yesterday, but didn't understand the plan.

That was Slumber who said that, not you, I know.

Perhaps I missed something there (having to trawl through 8 pages does not help in focused reading of the posts within those pages), but even so.