Open 458: Carbon-14 (Over!)

[Shamrock]

CommieX has been prodded.

[CommieX]

Will post tomorrow.

Sorry, been having chronic internet issues for the past few days.

[Radelle]

Huff Duff. Emp putting his vote on me after someone else does? What a surprise.

Radelle- It's not that you've been ignoring him directly, but ignoring him in the game (confusing, but hold on). While, yes commie was on v/la right after your vote on him, it doesn't seem like you are trying to get him lynched. You haven't posted a case on him and only address posts about him when I brought it up. The fact that you were much more vocal with Emp has little to do with you not being vocal with commie.

You're trying to paint me as scum for not trying to get a scum read lynched or something. Of course my prior behavior regarding scum reads becomes a factor. I only have been now addressing Commie... because when I came back he actually responded to something not because you pointed out some crap out. This isn't flying.

Also, I'm on Commie because of gut and because of his stance between Emp and I. I already have a scum read on Emp which no one is going for, so I'm going for my next (scum) gut read. When Commie actually answers something, I can get a better a read.

[Shamrock]

Salamence20 replaces CityElectric.

[Salamence20]

Hola peeps, reading!

[Salamence20]

First and Foremost, I want everyone to repeat the following line:

I will not fakeclaim Cop/Seer as VT.

Doing this will protect us from counterclaims and the like.

UNVOTE:

So my feelings after reading consist of:

Empking is town.
The scumteam is shos/Radelle
Why is/was there a wagon on Batt?

VOTE: Shos

This happens now.

(Anyone failing to post their promise not to fakeclaim is auto-lynched with no questions asked)

[Empking]

I will not fakeclaim Cop/Seer as VT.

If you find Radelle scummy why not vote Radelle?

The Batt wagon came from his list of mystery.

[Salamence20]

Because I find shos more scummy.

[CommieX]

Welcome Salamance.

I will not fakeclaim Cop/Seer as VT.

Now then.

I honestly don't remember and cannot take the time right now to go check. I'm assuming it wasn't nothing. ISO me, check the post where I said that first, and read the game up to it, I'm sure you'll see something. no time now, sorreh~

No. Answer my question.

bout the next part I'm not following your line of thought. so you agree with my points against Batt; and you agree with my points against City; and City should really seriously answer my votes; OH! got it. all those are wonderful reasons to vote me. what.????

You need to either explain why you think I am scum, or freakin decide your mind. you either don't agree with my case on Batt, and then you agree with it, and then you vote me for going after Batt. am I out of focus or is it really this stupid?

You are a seperate entity from the cases you make. I can agree with something you say and still think you are scummy for saying it. Particularly when your case is "this person is very neutral and needs to give more opinions on stuff".

Being reluctant to say what the list means doesn't mean being afraid of sharing scum reads. Mafia isn't a game where you always show your cards to everyone; sometimes it's better to keep them close to your chest. I also don't see why scum would even make a list like that, unless it's to pretend to be doing something. I don't know if I buy that version.

That is a very general answer for a very specific question.

Commie, why is Emp a scummyish read and I am town?

I don't like how Emp's attitude towards Bat went from "shos makes a good point" to "DIE SCUM DIE" very quickly. Seems like sheeping to me.

I think you're town because you seem to be legitimately scumhunting.

[Empking]

I don't like how Emp's attitude towards Bat went from "shos makes a good point" to "DIE SCUM DIE" very quickly. Seems like sheeping to me.

Sheeping isn't scummy. 99% it's needed to lynch scum.

[Battousai]

I will not fakeclaim Cop/Seer as VT.

Sal-

Thanks for replacing in, but just so you know, deadline is in 3 days and if there is not a majority vote, then there is no lynch.

Radelle/Commie ISO-

• Radelle votes commie in ISO 26, no case and no questions to him.
  
  Radelle first question to Commie ISO 38 - "Why is Emp scummyish read and I am town"
  Note: This was after I said Radelle failed to mention a case on Commie or address him
  
  
  Radelle's case emerges ISO 41- Gut and his stance between Emp and Radelle (which emerged after the vote)

Radelle-

I'm not trying to paint you as scum for not trying to get a scum read lynched or something... You are scum for not trying to get a scum read lynched. What case did you present to get people to think, "hmm I think Radelle is right?" None. Now it is less than 3 days to deadline and you say "Gut." Let's all join Radelle because she has a gut feeling on something... ya, that's not going to get a lot of votes.

Now, to be fair, you also said that he is scum because he finds you town and Emp slightly scummy. You fail to elaborate on it, and instead you say your read isn't as good because Commie fails to answer why he has those reads. You asked him that question Sunday and it took him 48 hrs to answer, which is about the same time it took you to ask that question after he made that post (He gave that read on Friday and you asked him why almost exactly 48 hrs later; he responds 2 days later...). That tells me that you have no case, and only added this onto it so your case is more than gut. Why is it scummy that he finds you town and Emp slightly scummy?

Sounds like to me, your read was never that good, and you are willing to accept that to deadline, where I presume you'll "Vote: whoever, because rather have whoever lynched than a no lynch."

[Salamence20]

With 3 days, I will look over Radelle's Iso later tomorrow then and see, but I feel as if Shos is my stronger scumread, but I can be persuaded.

[shos]

I will not claim cop/seer as VT.

can you explain why you find me scummy? a reasonless vote is not helping.

@commie:
a simple ISO search would get you this:

unvote, vote: shos

Posts towards CE are pretty scummy.

I have to say that this might sound like OMGUS but this post is really scummy.
Battousai put me in L-1 without saying that he did; he voted with reasons whose quality is just about as good as the farts from my dog; and look at his ISO....that's his only relevant post, and he's V/LA. amazing.

do you realize that you agreed with me on my case (then) on battousai, and then thought I was scummy for posting it? I'm *still* not following you.

[shos]

I went over the ISO, and if any, it only amde Radelle look town to me and CE look scum more. can you make a case with quotes and stuff to direct me more specifically to what you mean?

[Radelle]

I will not fake claim as a PR if VT blah blah.

Not going to bother addressing Batt anymore. I realize after him totally failing to grasp the concepts I was trying to convey about Emp, that it's just not worthwhile trying to logically go through him with this either. Still think he's town though. I don't see why he would switch his vote to the one person calling him town.

@Commie

:

That is a very general answer for a very specific question.

The question can only be answered generally because there are so many reasons for townies not to just flat out share all their reads for everyone. This game isn't straight forward like that. Still don't see how he was "afraid" to share either. Do you think my answer was scummy, or what?

When did I start becoming town and scum hunting from this point:

Slightly scummy. I don't necessarily like the reasoning behind the argument he's presenting, however I do appreciate the insight it's giving into the two of you via your responses.

Just to add,

Sheeping isn't scummy. 99% it's needed to lynch scum.

I wouldn't call Emp's vote for Batt sheeping. Regardless, it was certainly not one of those times where the above applied whatsoever to the situation.

[Salamence20]

can you explain why you find me scummy? a reasonless vote is not helping.

When are you ever not scum? I should be asking you why you feel my slot is scum and Radelle (who I am accusing you of being buddies with) is town.

Town
Salamence20
Empking
Battousai
CommieX
Mhork
Radelle
Shos
Scum.

[Radelle]

Just answer his question, Sal.

[Lord Mhork]

I will not fake claim cop/seer as VT.

So I'm following along and will try and get real things posted soon. Opening night is Friday... Blah blah blah IRL stuff...

Sorry!

[Shamrock]

Vote Count 1.9

Salamence20 (2) - Lord Mhork, shos
shos (2) - CommieX, Salamence20
Radelle (2) - Battousai, Empking
CommieX (1) - Radelle

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is at noon EST on Nov. 9 (that's

(expired on 2012-11-09 12:00:00)

from when you loaded this page).

[Empking]

Radelle, put someone at L-1 will you.

[Battousai]

Deadline is at noon EST on Nov. 9 (that's

(expired on 2012-11-09 12:00:00)

from when you loaded this page).

This is just getting ridiculous. Sal, you should be voting Radelle. You find the slot scummy (though not as much as shos). Then all we need is commie to switch to Radelle since, voting for someone who has no wagon is anti-town at this juncture.

[Salamence20]

There are two people on each wagon. I can see some town in Radelle where I can't in Shos.

[Battousai]

Ya, but the thing is, chances of getting shos lynched is slim!

[shos]

Just answer his question, Sal.

[shos]

as much as I'd like attention off of me, part of my case on you is probably going to include the fact that you're faking scumhunting.