NY 159: RUST game over

[ProHawk]

So if I flip miller that means some PR is claiming VT????

Unsure about your flip malp?

[DrippingGoofball]

So if I flip miller that means some PR is claiming VT????

Unsure about your flip malp?

Interesting wording.

[Rob14]

We don't need to worry about lynching mal right now, because he'll be our lynch tomorrow if we're still around by then. He won't make it to LyLo due to his claim and general scumminess. No reason to waste a lynch today on someone we'll get tomorrow or the day after for sure (definitely before LyLo). We can get a lot more information by lynching someone else who's scummy.

Vote Darthe

For reasons stated earlier and general scumminess.

[ProHawk]

2 Millers and 1

One-Shot

Gunsmith does not compute.

So with the setup we have to lynch one miller and gunsmith the other? Something smells fishy.

Today, we lynch Malp or Cheery.

[AngryPidgeon]

WE DONT HAVE TO LYNCH MILLERS BUT THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT THAT BC WAS A PL.

[Cheery Dog]

We don't need to worry about lynching mal right now, because he'll be our lynch tomorrow if we're still around by then. He won't make it to LyLo due to his claim and general scumminess. No reason to waste a lynch today on someone we'll get tomorrow or the day after for sure (definitely before LyLo). We can get a lot more information by lynching someone else who's scummy.

Vote Darthe

For reasons stated earlier and general scumminess.

we can also vote darte another day, which should a miller-claimed scumbag have to wait a few days?

[Rob14]

We don't need to worry about lynching mal right now, because he'll be our lynch tomorrow if we're still around by then. He won't make it to LyLo due to his claim and general scumminess. No reason to waste a lynch today on someone we'll get tomorrow or the day after for sure (definitely before LyLo). We can get a lot more information by lynching someone else who's scummy.

Vote Darthe

For reasons stated earlier and general scumminess.

we can also vote darte another day, which should a miller-claimed scumbag have to wait a few days?

Darthe could potentially slip under the radar, as could any other person who looks scummy now. Millers cannot. We'll eventually catch up with them no matter what because they will never make it to LyLo.

[DrippingGoofball]

We don't need to worry about lynching mal right now, because he'll be our lynch tomorrow if we're still around by then. He won't make it to LyLo due to his claim and general scumminess. No reason to waste a lynch today on someone we'll get tomorrow or the day after for sure (definitely before LyLo). We can get a lot more information by lynching someone else who's scummy.

Vote Darthe

For reasons stated earlier and general scumminess.

we can also vote darte another day, which should a miller-claimed scumbag have to wait a few days?

This calls for more Cheery votes.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who did Cheery pretend to target on what night?

[ProHawk]

Day 3. Cheery Claims - Post #1246 - Targeted AngryPidgeon. Not sure if the action was taken N1 or N2.

Without support to lynch Malp, I would be happy with a Cheery lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cheery Dog

[4nxi3ty]

malpascp

(2) - Paid Pyro, Cheery Dog

Darthe

(2) - TheReverend, Rob13

TheReverend

(1) - AngryPidgeon

Cheery Dog

(3)

- DrippingGoofball, roflcopter, ProHawk

Not Voting

(2) - malpascp, Darthe

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2012-11-14 12:43:07)

[Darthe]

DGB, what are your thought on what is going on with this setup?

[TheReverend]

I still think darthe is more likely but cheery is in the group of three that I'm willing to lynch.

[Rob14]

Cheery is not getting my vote while Darthe still lives. Darthe has been scummy right from the beginning.

[AngryPidgeon]

I figured it out guys. I actually figured it out.

for serious. UNVOTE: Rev

Spoiler: People that it CANNOT BE

Roflcopter - Sorry for the gambit. But if you are scum, then game is not balanced. Also I was just wrong about my thoughts. Its not outsdie your realm of townieness to connect me to BC for defending him
Rob - Setup spec, is obviously a Vig
Me - Cleared by Cheery, and setup spec

Spoiler: People I really doubt it could be

Cheery - Setup spec again. Also I just don't think its him for DC interactions
Paid Pyro - Posts read genuine. His suspicions read genuine even if I don't like them.
Reverend - Reaction to vote was good. Joke miller claim probably not from scum. Other good reasons too!

Spoiler: I guess it could be these guys, but I'm leaning against it

Darthe - Because Dc mentioned him after I called out 3/4 of the scum team. Also I just don't see it today, but maybe.
Prohawk - Eh, could be. His interactions with the DC/Zabriel wagons D1 were awkward, but CKD blatantly connecting himself to PH makes it less likely.
Malp - Setup spec most indicates its him. Because really, without either miller this would have been a little scum-sided. With TWO millers its very scum sided. But Im not feeling it from his posts anyhow.

[Darthe]

I'm not a fan of balance talk that agrees with the concept of the game being mafia sided. Yes, it may be a bit heavy in their favor theoretically but that doesn't mean anything to the real game. No more proof besides the dead mafia is needed. So using that or setup speculation to judge someone on is faulty logic IMO.

[AngryPidgeon]

It really isn't. I mean I agree that it should be taken with a grain of salt, but there is definitely something to it.

[roflcopter]

there's too many unknown factors to try to clear people solely based on speculating about game balance. 3/7 dead players are scum. from that alone the game looks almost town sided. all these one shot abilities made the first 2-3 nights in this game very town sided. thats got something to do with why this game has seen scum lynches two out of the first three days (and the other a miller lynch, which players like drmyshotgun would argue are as good as a scum lynch) but now that they're most/all used and the two full use roles are dead (both faction's doctors) its become basically mountainous.

although looking at the symmetry of the setup if cheery is telling the truth is pushing me off of him.
town:
doctor
2 x 1-shot roles (vig*, gunsmith*)
2 x 2-shot joats (vig/cop*, bp/rb)
2 x millers?**
nilla wafers

scum:
doctor**
2-shot joat (claimed track/jk)(*,**) - see note
1-shot something? goon?(*,**)
goon(*.**)

* - this role has a gun AKA gunsmith guilty
** - cop guilty

note: we can't necessarily believe ckd's claim since he's scum and it doesn't flip what a joat is made of, but track approximates rolecop and jailkeep certainly approximates roleblock, two abilities i expect to see at least one of on a four man scumteam in a game this size

so that was basically stream of consciousness but yeah i think i've convinced myself cheery has to be town
ap is confirmed town by virtue of having a claimed inno on him at this point (realistically there's no way he's a mafia doctor), either cd is town in which case ap is inno or cd is scum in which case all other players (including ap) are innocent

unvote, vote: darthe

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

Does DC really drop the name of his 4th scum team member here after I said it was CKD/Him/Zabriel?

[ProHawk]

Cannot create a causitive correlation from your evidence rofl. Scum was killed due to Rob's outstanding play and scums terrible play, plain and simple. Roles just made it possible for an extra kill.

[roflcopter]

@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

Does DC really drop the name of his 4th scum team member here after I said it was CKD/Him/Zabriel?

its ballsy, but dc is ballsy and wasn't "caught" yet (zab was still the leading wagon), so the fact that he did that is nowhere near enough to outweigh all the evidence i see in favor of lynching darthe

[AngryPidgeon]

My gut (I know how much you trust that) tells me its DGB. I could be really off. But I'm going through the issue that I don't really have any super scum reads. Just mild to strong townreads. DGB is kind of the odd one out in that I don't really have a read on her.

And I know some of it is her style, but some of her intro posts made me

Inb4 Josh Lyman couldn't have made an NK.

[roflcopter]

Inb4 Josh Lyman couldn't have made an NK.

ftr i don't think this is a real argument he could have easily made the kill

he's also plenty late on the dc wagon day one, a good place to be bussing

and dgb isn't immediately obvtown, which she usually (but not always) is as town

i just think its more likely to be darthe

[Rob14]

Also, DC didn't play well. Full stop. His play was BAD. I wouldn't put it past him to make that post if Darthe is scum.

P-edit: We shouldn't lynch DGB today because she hasn't had enough time to come off as definitively scummy or town. Even if her early posts were semi-scummy (I don't think they were at all), it's always possible to look town as scum or scum as town within a few posts. Her posting history cannot have established the types of patterns necessary to find scum because it's too short. Let's look at her Day 5-6 when we there's something there to look at.

[Rob14]

EBWOP: Obviously, I was referring to #1593 by AP in the first part of my above post.