Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[greygnarl]

Molla already claimed to have 1 more shot. I'm pretty sure I have the most money right now and so I'll buy the NK. Tammy will buy Neighborizer. Also, Tammy mentioned that we need to scumhunt more. Yeah that sounds about right. I still think that Seanald is a good lynch. He's using the cop as a fucking shield.

[Tammy]

Seanald - What do you think about Elmo?

[Salamence20]

I don't know about neighborizing vs investing. I feel as if I may be here awhile so Idk. I'll do what everyone feels I should do

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Phil

Using my shot today, still debating on who.

[Seanald]

Let me put it simple. I wasn't going to let anyone else get Immunity.

Sure I overbid a bit and threw 69 down on it, Figured if I take it out of the game we're not going to have problems..

I bid 31 on Extra Vote.

I honestly don't think much of Elmo, he hasn't done shit all in this game. To me this was the most damning of his posts if you even want to call any of his posts damning, im not really sold on him being scum.
The bolded part is what I find strange, why the hell say that at all?

two ways to look at that, he is town and he was just trying to make sure scum don't get that ability.

The other being he is scum and doesn't want to be found out, but he knows he can wifom this shit with, well scum wouldn't claim to have the immunity.

I get the feeling that elmo is just simply....useless I guess.

[Seanald]

he is null for me to make it basic haha

[Seanald]

VOTE: Phil

Also, I just can't trust Phil, read his Iso back a bit and it just feels off. Different than what I've seen from him in the past.

[Tammy]

Philammon - Over half of your posts have been about the mechanics of the game, do you have any comments on the players in the game?

[Tazaro]

Vig Phillammon.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phil

Using my shot today, still debating on who.

If you are willing to vote for him, might as well dayvig him.
I would be pleased with people taking positions on an Elmo lynch

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.6

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Elmo TeH AzN (4): Mehdi2277, Tammy, Tazaro, Guille2015
Phillammon (2): BBmolla, Seanald
Seanald (1): greygnarl
Tazaro (1): Pitty

Not Voting (9): Elmo TeH AzN, Declan_giggs, StefanB, Eidolon, PeregrineV, Phillammon, SlumberPartyBois, Salamence20, Voidedmafia

Deadline is November 20th, at 11:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-20 23:00:00)

[Phillammon]

Philammon - Over half of your posts have been about the mechanics of the game, do you have any comments on the players in the game?

Yes, I plan to domy traditional "Read ALL the ISO" posts when I get home. If you're gonna vig me, wat for that first. I promise that it will be done with time to spare with respect to the effiviency bonus deadlines.

[Tazaro]

Hmm ... willing to do work before vig.
Willing to turn around 180 from my "Vig Phillammon" stance.

[guille2015]

We can Vig Elmo first and then Lynch Phil if his contribution is not satisfying.

Elmo's only post today was 1219 were he acknowledges that he is being targeted and does nothing about it.

On another note, GreyIce's replacement has said nothing. Niether has Eidolon. But I am more suspicious of Eidolon than of GreyIce's slot.

I am not keen on killing Seanald and loosing the Cop power.

[Voidedmafia]

We can Vig Elmo first and then Lynch Phil if his contribution is not satisfying..

I like this plan. I'd admittedly prefer offing eid to Elmo as his role doesn't sound like one I'd like to keep for an extended period of time, but either one works for me.

[greygnarl]

I got a town vibe from GreyICE despite the fact that he wasn't really doing that much. Eagerly awaiting Eid's first post. Elmo is a good vig traget as he's done absolutely nothing. Will support shooting him.

[StefanB]

The mainthink about Elmo is why to bind for investigation immune and extra vote as town?
Investigation Imune is good to keep out of scum hands, but if you know you are often considered scummy, you know that you are not a good person to get it.
And extra vote good for a townleader and good for someone who exspects to be active but why did Elmo think that would be a great role to have.
To have both as scum, good.
Why did he claim it, is another question, but that may be WIFOM.

Vote Elmo

About Sean: As long as we keep NBR out of scumhands the cop is not usful for them.

[Tazaro]

Wonder who might have bussed D3f3nd3r?

[guille2015]

D3f3nd3r

Defender was town? What do you mean bussed?

[Tazaro]

My goof. Did not realize I was misremembering.

[Phillammon]

Well nuts. This is the third iteration of my post. If this crashes one more time, I GIVE UP.

1. BBmolla

Dayvig, a bit odd in places, but killed MoI, so he can't be all that bad. Odd mentality in some of his posts, especially those relating to lynching seanald over defender when the wagon hit critical mass.

2. Elmo TeH AzN

Lurking scum, fundamentally. His most recent post was stating the bleeding obvious rather than actually reacting or making a meaningful contribution, and the remainder of the iso is fundamentally worthless.

3. Declan_giggs (replaces GreyICE)

GreyICE tried to backpedal out of several things this game. First, he tried to backpedal out of having yelled loudly and repeatedly that Molla has no kill. Then, he tried to backpedal out of his townread on MoI. The issue is not the fact that he originally did these things, but instead that he is trying to pretend that they didn't happen. Then, declan has not appeared. Neither of these is good. Also, note the mentality in #1056. Strike anyone else as odd?

4. Guille2015

#659 is good, there is nothing in the ISO to particularly alarm me, looks reasonably good if a little low activity. Yeah, I know, hypocrisy.

5. Voidedmafia

Incredibly unrelentingly townie. Masses of walls, good analysis, piled on to MoI's scumslip. Good stuff.

6. Mehdi2277

Good and Full ISO, good posting, contributed highly to strategising as well as getting lots of reads out. Town.

8. SlumberPartyBois (a hydra of kanyeknowsbest + MattP)

One head is nearly good, but falls short. Their first post is a good example. It's like it's trying to emulate town thought processes, but hasn't quite made it. Poor assumptions, failed and in some cases disproved attempts to outguess the mod, and mildly obnoxious demeanor.

Then there's the kanye head. Yeah. High post count is good, but spam is not.

9. Pitty (a hydra of of Malakittens + PiggyGal15)

First 3 ISO posts are great, then it falls off. Until something comes of #1346, can't really pass judgement. Again, elements of lurkiness here, but who am I to talk.

10. StefanB

Post light, but well justified and attacking one of my scumreads with genuine logic. Good stuff.

11. Eidolon

Transitions seamlessly between lurking, incoherence and contributing. The failure to claim until late suggests that it's not a fakeclaim, but I reckon it does look suspicious all the same. Not sure which way to go on that, I'll be honest. (Unrelated, I recognize your name from somewhere. You frequent tg?)

12. PeregrineV

Unrelenetinglier town. If PV is scum, I will happily eat a multitude of hats.

13. Tazaro

Also a seanald pusher, with what may or may not be grey sheeping, however, reasonably good activity, and towny interactions with other players.

15. greygnarl

Second highest activity rate. A tad obnoxious but gets things done, and is very open with thought processes- and at that, there's a lot to go from. So pretty good, all in all. Solidly townish.

16. Seanald

Obnoxious is okay when it's backed with being townish, getting out reads and generally not doing what you are doing. The tammy tunnel is PARTICULARLY scummy. Unrelated, what game are you referring to in #1381? I don't recall having completed any games with you yet...

18. Tammy

260 and 251. That is all.

20. Salamence20

Confessing the DV straight up was very townish, it got better than there. I was confident enough yesterday to give him all my money, so I'm willing to stand by that.
I realize that this list has far too many townreads for them all to be right, but I promise you that I can justify them all, having been through all the isos in detail. The first 3 are more detailed because I had them copy pasted after attempt 2...

[greygnarl]

Also, for people using reasoning that Stefan is town for hunting or whatever let me give you this:
We know that scum didn't know about personal QTs. He knew before anybody mentioned it. The only way he would've said that as scum is if he was soft-claiming Neighborizer and that is not possible so he's 100% conftown.

[greygnarl]

Plus you forgot to mention that having cop and then having Neighborizer advertised is fucking ridiculous. SEAN IS SCUM. Actually we should vig him because then everybody will pile on Elmo and we get efficiency.

[greygnarl]

Magua can you replace GreyICE again? declan obviously forgot about this game and he just went V/LA till Sunday in another game.

[Phillammon]

Right. VOTE: Elmo, vig whoever out of my reds, please. Preferably seanald.