Open 463: Black Flag Nightless (Game Over)

[Soul2277]

Thor opinion on any of my three scum leans (since I really think cerulean's reads and opinions along with changing out weigh this one strange thing). Primarily equinox and voided since you've already mentioned sixty a decent amount.

One other question to ceru being why argue so much with thor who's a town lean like that?

~Mehdi (and ceru signing is never too tough and makes later re-reads so much easier to skim through)

[Thor665]

I think your Voided lean makes sense.
I don't grok the Equi lean at all.

[Soul2277]

Equi voting piggy to L-1 with minimal explanation or force. That clear enough?

~Mehdi

[Cerulean]

Did you read what he said? It is why he said "suggests" because even though it was similar, I had pointed out a possible town game that showed a similarity of her behavior.

I personally think you're trying to get me to put more meaning into that 'suggests' than there really is.
Counter question, if by 'suggests' he means 'We have yet to have done anything to make the read legit' why even mention it at all?

So, would you like to go back and read the part of the post you missed? Namely that he's planning on completing the task your chiding him for not doing and tht he made that clear?

Hey Thor! Hi! How ya doin? When you get done licking your little boy wounds, us grown ups are going to actually be looking for scum. Care to join us?

If you believe your town and sum game are indistinguishable I'd like to know what purpose it serves to ask someone if they think you're playing any differently than you did in your other game.

I already answered this - what part didn't you grok?

I thought it was a stupid question? If you think you're town and scum game are indistinguishable its leading and u productive. You're trying to jump on someone, howl and whine. That's obvious. I want you to stop doing it because it doesn't help town.

Did you miss the part where I'm leaning town on you?

And less than N, yes.

So, your ego is fractured? You may not remember but you've fooled me before. I read you town as hell when you replaced into experimental; I don't easily forget being duped. I'm reading you different enough that you're leaning town, but most town...he'll no.

Oh no, I read, I was hoping you'd go into a bit more detail about what you actually liked about it.

I actually accused him of sheeping me slightly, so...?

I realize that you like being sheeped...take off your Sheeping blinders and tell me what you think of their case.

[Cerulean]

^^^was tammy

[Cerulean]

Link the game pl0x.

The game that ended today? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4471519

[Cerulean]

One other question to ceru being why argue so much with thor who's a town lean like that?

Thors a lean town read. I get my best reads from interaction, and thors fooled me before. I'm leaning town on him, but we can argue to make sure. Besides once he realizes we're town, if he's town as I think, it will make it that much easier for town to work together and win.

[Soul2277]

How specific does he need to be? (little reaching and like it) Although next same question applies to ceru I asked thor (opinion on voided and equinox more).

~Mehdi

[Cerulean]

Empire didn't like at all voided's banter with thor in the beginning of the game, but I linked him to kingdom hearts which I had played with voided and he interacted in a similar way, so ithi he just likes rvs. But he's got a rather uptight play.

And we both are wary of equinox.

Right now my biggest suspects are equinox/voided/sixty

[Soul2277]

So identical scum reads and the main reason I think voided is scum isn't worth mentioning? And similar to thor can you be more specific on equinox?

~Mehdi

[Cerulean]

Meh your read on voided was fine. I didn't like how uptight he felt in Post 88.

I have little experience with equinox but empire left me a message that equinox was his backpocket scum read. She just feels off.

But sixty...read that case.

Actually I'm not waiting...

VOTE: sixty.

This is a righteousness wagon.

[Cerulean]

I cant wait for Tuesday when Oversoul starts posting so I can get a clearer read of that slot, btw.

[Equinox]

Good god. First walls, now meta. This game is going to be pretty demanding, isn't it.

PiggyGal15's recent posts are coming off as honest. I'll investigate her games sometime tomorrow night, but for now she's no longer in the lead.

I don't really care for the argument between Cerulean and Thor665, as it looks more to be out of ego than alignment. The Empire head sounds like town; I might dig deeper to see if he has any scum games, but his posts so far are reminiscent of Micro 53, which is good. Thor665 might be town, but take that with a grain of salt. Actually, now that I think about it, it might be worth a look to see if Thor665 gets into ego wars as scum. Agree that N's probably town.

...and there's absta101 who Soul2277 says has acted weird before as town or something. Regardless, I'll park my vote here because, well, I don't like him. Despite showing little reservation voting me at the start, he's hesitated at voting for Voidedmafia, on whom he's claimed he's "leaning scum."

Unvote, Vote: absta101

Did I complain yet about how much reading there is already for this game?

Seeing two scum leans pushing absta also makes him feel more likely town

Uh, come again?

[Cerulean]

And yet you make not one comment on sixty or their case on piggy even though you say she's coming off as more honest. Why is that?

[Soul2277]

I think you and voided are scum. You're both pushing absta. That makes him feel more likely town (and it's secondary reason for absta town). Read that game I mentioned since you're voting him and it'd give a better idea on his town play?

And ceru os is v/la so what does that actually mean? I won't vote til he shows up since I want to hear from him first. Best I can say there is scum reads go voided > sixty > equinox.

~Mehdi

[Equinox]

And yet you make not one comment on sixty or their case on piggy even though you say she's coming off as more honest. Why is that?

No read of Sixty. I even re-read their case after posting that, but all it garnered was a shrug. Ask me again in a couple of pages and I may have something better for you.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided - what do you think about sixty's case on piggy?

Well, I disagree that it feels contrived. As for the meat itself, points 3, 5, and 6 (all of which relate to her wagon analysis, or lack of) are pretty valid. I mentioned before that I found a distinct lack of analysis for her wagon (even for a non- to semi-serious RVS one) to be rather off and farily incriminating, so I am glad that someone else agrees with my own findings in this regard.

(Point 4 also leads in this direction, but her mentions of the lack of Equi and such aren't the main focus so i'm omitting them. The point about mentioning Absta as being scummy but not bothering to develop that point is pretty good, too).

Voided's 60 along with the following post feels like a bigger absta scum read while still calling piggy a good wagon and staying on her without really explaining why she's a better wagon.

I explained why she's a good/better wagon in that post, though...

(and how she compares to dirty dealing mafia where she was town)?

I've practically forgotten what her posts were like in DDM because I didn't really read them. Stupid fake post restriction.

I guess I can take a gander during my break in college tomorrow, though.

You seem a little more uptight than I'm used to.

I'm tired, Tammy. It's past 1:00 as I'm making this post, and I think I posted what you're quoting only 2 hours earlier, so I'm probably a bit more snappy.

I think your Voided lean makes sense.
I don't grok the Equi lean at all.

So...more explanation forthcoming

Seeing two scum leans pushing absta also makes him feel more likely town

Uh, come again?

Are you aware at all of her scumreads, or are you asking for the sake of asking?

And yet you make not one comment on sixty or their case on piggy even though you say she's coming off as more honest. Why is that?

Good point. Based on what Equi said in

his

her most recent post, Sixty's case should've been in the range to actually see it.

Soul, could you elaborate more on why you feel Absta is town?

[Cerulean]

And ceru os is v/la so what does that actually mean? I won't vote til he shows up since I want to hear from him first.

~Mehdi

It means that I'm leaning town on your slot, but I cant wait for Oversoul to start posting to be sure. I've played with Oversoul and we were team mafia teammates, so I feel like once he starts posting I can get a more solid read of your slot.

~tammy

[Equinox]

Are you aware at all of her scumreads, or are you asking for the sake of asking?

Soul2277 was pretty clear about their scum reads, so, yes, I was aware. I just didn't see how that necessarily led to "absta101 is probably town."

[Soul2277]

Meta. Meta explains absta so well (specifically while hard to describe it's his act play style where he just acts and plays). Artemis fowl being the example given (while it has 25 pages isoing him gives an idea of style and he mostly posts short).

Me and OS are both male even though I'm like anime.

And unless I'm seeing the wrong 60 that post focuses on absta not piggy.

P-edit: It's a secondary reason for absta. Do you think both scum bussing is likely in a white flag set up (well with the extra black rules).

~Mehdi

[Cerulean]

Equinox - why are you townreading Thor?

[Equinox]

P-edit: It's a secondary reason for absta. Do you think both scum bussing is likely in a white flag set up (well with the extra black rules).

Maybe, maybe not. I get that it's a secondary read. I just don't, well, "grok" it, to steal from Thor665's lexicon.

Took a brief look at the game you indicated and can sort of see it, but let me get back to you later when my brain isn't so preoccupied with sleep.

Equinox - why are you townreading Thor?

Liked how Thor665 pressured PiggyGal15 earlier. There's also some notion about Thor665 maybe not getting into an ego war because why take offense at someone doing something silly when it doesn't concern him and those posts didn't come off contrived, but I think I need to verify that I'm not doing bogus psychoanalysis first.

[Cerulean]

P-edit: It's a secondary reason for absta. Do you think both scum bussing is likely in a white flag set up (well with the extra black rules).i

Probably not. Well, we only have to find two if them. If I have time tomorrow, I'll see if I can find what someone posted in the team mafia white flag game for strategy. I feel like there was something. Oversoul played I. That game though so he might remember.

[Soul2277]

Ceru do you want to try explaining to equi why it's unlikely then? Since somehow two scum are unlikely to bus in white flag isn't clear enough and I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.

~Mehdi

[Equinox]

Ceru do you want to try explaining to equi why it's unlikely then? Since somehow two scum are unlikely to bus in white flag isn't clear enough and I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.

You're trying to convince someone who's bussed in every White Flag game as scum that it's unlikely.