Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Salamence20]

True or False?

People that stall in this game are scum vs People who talk (Me/GG/Voided/Mehdi/SPB)?

[Tazaro]

Rule of thumb: If ___ is scum, so is the replacement.

[greygnarl]

Uh Nero is eidolons replacement right? He's semi v/la due to computer issues, so there's not guarantee when he shows up.

Tammy is cheating and talking to EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!

[Phillammon]

Rule of thumb: If ___ is scum, so is the replacement.

Yes, but scummy != scum. The distinction is there, and needs to be made clear.

[Phillammon]

That said, no slot should be exonerated of its predecessor's play, but still, it's something to bear in mind.

[greygnarl]

Also, my reaction test on molla pretty much failed and I just realized that he was acting like he had a shot left to draw a NK and that him pretending to shoot me was a very town move.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.12

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

callforjudgement (7): Mehdi2277, Tazaro, Guille2015, StefanB, Phillammon, VoidedMafia, Salamence20
Phillammon (2): BBmolla, Seanald

Not Voting (8): callforjudgement, Shamrock, Nero Cain, PeregrineV, SlumberPartyBois, Pitty, Tammy, greygnarl

Deadline is November 20th, at 11:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-20 23:00:00)

callforjudgement replaces Elmo TeH AzN.

[Mehdi2277]

cfj either you act like the most obv town ever and provide a scum read with enough reason to consider swapping or the wagon will kill you.

[greygnarl]

cfj either you act like the most obv town ever and provide a scum read with enough reason to consider swapping or the wagon will kill you.

Well put.

[StefanB]

Feal bad about lynching a new player and hello Nero and callforjudgement and Shamrock(Grey), but CFJ is in an interesting spot.
Will burn the votefrezer tomorrow, if the lynch is very secure or someone goes VLA for a long time or anyone who is okay with freezing their vote.

[Tazaro]

Freezing not to be done on someone who has ever unvoted.
Provisional unvote from replacement if replacement dispels idea of Elmo's being scum--this opposed to acting scummy

UNVOTE

[callforjudgement]

Hi everyone! I've sort-of been following the game, but not in detail, so I'm going to need to reread to form reads, and that could take a while.

Meanwhile, a quick fullclaim (haven't checked to see how much Elmo claimed):
I'm an Entrepreneur.
N0 Elmo bid 69 on investigation immunity, 31 on extra vote
Won investigation immunity (spending $46 on it), lost extra vote (all but $4 refunded)
Gained $50 from efficiency bonus, $50 from wage.
N1 transferred $142 to Tammy.
I have $8 and 4 shots of investigation immunity left.

[callforjudgement]

Btw, the scumread I remember from following the game was Mehdi (based on two weak objective scumtells, one was being heavily involved in drafting a breaking strategy and then not following it, I don't remember what the other one was offhand).

[Tazaro]

Give you a pass for now

[callforjudgement]

Read up to page 7 so far (I'll be giving constant updates): BBmolla's claim seemed reasonable at the time (especially as it was confirmed that his role existed so dramatically), but it doesn't actually seem to fit flavour well. We're all flavourwise working for a company and competing, right? Actually inside the same office building? What would a bum be doing there?

BBmolla, is there flavour in your role PM explaining this? And where the kill comes from? Don't need direct quotes or anything like that, just a flavour explanation.

(Other thoughts about BB's role: if he's scum, it's possible that one of his buddies has the dayvig rather than him himself, although that seems unlikely.)

[greygnarl]

Why do you have $8?

[njoseph]

Why do you have $8?

Elmo's claim of having $50 left + Mod's wage/bonus granting of $100 - transfering of $142 = $8

[Tazaro]

Why do you have $8?

Elmo's claim of having $50 left + Mod's wage/bonus granting of $100 - transfering of $142 = $8

That was I.

[callforjudgement]

More thoughts from what I remember of the game: if scum are advertising neighbouriser, and the theory that they're trying to link up (which seems reasonable) is correct, at least one scum on one team knows at least one scum on the other team, or else they're gambling on being able to guess scum before the shots run out. How? Either it's going to be a shot of cop that's already found scum (which was IIRC seanald? someone correct me if I'm wrong), or they're trying to get the other scumteam to breadcrumb scum. We should be on a lookout for those sorts of crumbs, mostly to try to prevent them leaving them in the first place. If the scum can find them, so can we.

PEDIT: I have $8 because I had $50+$50+$50 at the start of night 1, and transferred $142 to Tammy.

My guess as to what happened is that Elmo saw that Tammy would receive $142 in the plan, and transferred $142 as a result (meaning she'll get $134 tomorrow night), rather than $150 (which would give her $142).

[Mehdi2277]

cfj you realize my action transfer wise ended up having 0 positive effect to scum if I was one? How is losing all my money as scum a good thing? Or the fact I'm a neighborizer and had planned to target GB way before the plan originated and I already explained me giving money to him.

Although the main one is the rest of my play.

You also broke the plan (plan was donate all). Although I don't see a reason for elmo scum to leave 8 dollars either (it's not going to win anything and makes it shown he broke the transfers plan).

BB's role while plausibly scum his actions and words do not fit. Trying to get reads by doing reaction tests with the kill that can get better quick reads then other things and shooting someone who's scum instead of letting a lynch be wasted and claiming all fit town.

[Phillammon]

Why do you have $8?

Elmo's claim of having $50 left + Mod's wage/bonus granting of $100 - transfering of $142 = $8

That's all well and good, true. Unfortunately, he was told to transfer ALL his money.

[greygnarl]

Elmo is fucking retarded. BTW did he set up a Qt with Magua?

[Mehdi2277]

It's also town tell. I think a scum team would go over how much they're actually sending and to send 142 instead makes little sense (I don't scum motivation in keeping 8 by mistake there).

UNVOTE: cfj

VOTE: Sham Two players worth of lurking kills a slot.

[callforjudgement]

Seanald: 577 "I figured I would be an early days target", what do you mean by that? And why would it encourage you to bid on cop?

PEDIT: Yes, Elmo has a QT with Magua (and I have access to the same QT, obviously). Also I'm leaning town on BB anyway, just trying to clean up inconsistencies in my head.

[Tazaro]

I have a reason to believe the QT thing is not a lie. I can say it if wanted.