Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[callforjudgement]

For anyone who was watching the bid amounts change realtime night 0: how early in the night was Cop bid on? I'm busy trying to work out the Seanald situation. Definitely, he's either scum, or scum are trying really hard to implicate him. Given the disjointed scumteam, possibly both!

[callforjudgement]

Final table assuming we lynch today for transfer amounts. Anyone who's been stalling on voting to get things ready should be fine voting now (only argument left is whether or not defender is lynched).

And reg for a similar scum tell to the philla one interesting how defender's slowly became more talkative near when you start defending him (look at the average times for his last several posts since he get defended compared to average time for the rest).

Player	Amount that will be transferred
Voided	186
Guille	209
Greyice	180
Elmo	142
Pitty	209
Philla	190
Sean	103

This must be where Elmo got the transfer amount of $142 from. (And it's where I've caught up to.)

[callforjudgement]

@Salamence, 1037: Why do you consider forcing players to a claim a good thing?

(This is one of my pet peeves, btw.)

[Mehdi2277]

cfj nero should neighborize me to make the neighborize chain (I plan to neighborize tammy who'll be the next neighborizer). You haven't reached that part yet but what do you think on it?

P-edit: Cop had a bid of 1 I think for the first two parts of the night. It wasn't until near the end a second person even bidded (doc wasn't bid on at all until the end of the night). Only powers that were bid on early I think were neighborizer, II, and rb (maybe double voter and gov too).

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.13

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

callforjudgement (5): Guille2015, StefanB, Phillammon, VoidedMafia, Salamence20
Phillammon (2): BBmolla, Seanald
Shamrock (2): Mehdi2277, callforjudgement

Not Voting (8): Shamrock, Nero Cain, PeregrineV, SlumberPartyBois, Pitty, Tammy, greygnarl, Tazaro

Deadline is November 20th, at 11:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-11-20 23:00:00)

[Mehdi2277]

Answering a previous comment, GB was also obvtown day 1. I treat obv town like confirmed town until shown other wise.

I've played with sean and think he's more likely town then scum. At the same time PoE helps. So far voided is near confirmed town, bois are pretty town, you're strange money thing is very town, grey's quick notes are extremely town, etc (too many town reads).

[callforjudgement]

Chaining neighbourizers is mostly only useful for the purposes of the chain if you're trying to hide their identities, IMO, which isn't the case here. It lets you pass secret messages through a chain of players, but I can't think of any real reason to do that. I can't think of any real reason not to chain them, either, so I have no objections to the plan.

I'd prefer to use neighbourizations that fall into Town hands as a scumhunting method, or proof of role. The idea behind the first is that you neighbourize someone who you think is probably scum and then you and your neighbour play the game like you would play a town-slotted hydra, talking about everything in the QT before you talk about it in thread. It's really hard for scum to sustain that for long periods of time. (I managed to catch two members of the opposing scumteam in Worst Role Mafia like this, and was caught myself along similar lines.)

@Seanald: When in night 0 did you bid for Cop? Early (and it wasn't contested until late), or late?

[Mehdi2277]

I pretty much go with the opposite ideal (I treat it like a masonizer to make it like a town hydra that just works and cooperates better). Chaining is pretty much so everything is shared. We have two neighborizer shots and want to use them quickly. It's not really possible to make one big neighborhood this night but chaining them and just sharing info works.

[callforjudgement]

Is PeregrineV widely considered town?

Just realised that there's something that isn't really adding up wrt the advertisements. If scum are sure enough that they've found the opposite scumteam to spend $153 or more on advertising Neighbourizer, they have to be pretty fricking confident. That would imply that they'd managed to cop enemy scum, = Seanald as scum. The other possibility is that they didn't advertise with $153, but rather with rather less, and that PeregrineV underadvertised on Cop and hoped he wouldn't he caught. Or is there a third possibility I'm missing here? (Perhaps scum simply really badly wanted Cop to not come up again, but if they're that scared of Cop, it'd make more sense to advertise investigation immune or tailor or something like that.)

PEDIT: Fair enough. I haven't seen that tactic tried before, and as such I'm somewhat interested in how it'll turn out. Although, it would have serious problems if there are scum anywhere in the chain, and may run into timezone issues anyway. Ideally, you should arrange for everyone in the chain to be online at once.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm the center of all chains (and there will only be two since I can't make one qt for the things now). So if I'm scum I can hide stuff from half the chain otherwise everything will be shared (so it's question of do you trust me).

I don't trust pV much and have said so before (he's a weaker read).

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

[callforjudgement]

Oh, just noticed (in post 1241) that the definition of Neighbourizer in this game makes the creation of a mega-QT possible. I see why you'd want to go for it in that case.

Long shot, but can you ask Magua if it's possible to neighbourize people into a QT you aren't part of? The literal reading of the ability implies that that's possible.

[callforjudgement]

Wait, it's a public ability, I can do it myself.

@Mod: Is it possible to use the Neighbourizer ability to add someone to a Neighbour QT that you aren't in yourself?

[Magua]

@Mod: Is it possible to use the Neighbourizer ability to add someone to a Neighbour QT that you aren't in yourself?

No.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

*him.

[callforjudgement]

@PeregrineV: Any reads other than Phillamon and Pitty? I just took a break from catching up the game as a whole to read your ISO, there's hardly any reads on people at all, and I'd like to know what you're thinking about the day game, rather than the night game.

[Mehdi2277]

So chains should go

Nero <-> Mehdi and
Mehdi <-> Tammy and two future people added in

Mod: Can posts in a qt be quoted and posted in another qt or posted in thread?

If yes I can just quote all posts in one qt and put them in the other and vice versa.

[Tazaro]

VOTE: Phillammon

I felt like I waffled on my stance on he..

Now know BBmolla is the one who is shown as most early voting for Phillammon. Now want people to note if BBmolla had a compelling case?

[callforjudgement]

@Phillamon: How much do you think you've improved since I last played with you, in Worst Roles Mafia? I'm trying to make sense of your reads list in 1395 at the moment, and I'm not sure my meta on you is still in date.

[Magua]

Mod: Can posts in a qt be quoted and posted in another qt or posted in thread?

No. They must be paraphrased.

Exception 1: They can be quoted into an alignment-confirmed QT, such as a scum QT.
Exception 2: You may post a draft/post-in-progress into a QT specifically with the purpose of posting it in the main thread or another QT when it is completed.

[callforjudgement]

Hmm, people I'm currently most suspicious of: GreyICE/Shamrock, PeregrineV, Seanald. On page 60 now, so almost finished catching up.

[callforjudgement]

@Voidedmafia: Just noticed that you didn't actually explicitly claim to protect GB last night, just strongly implied it. Can you confirm that you protected GB last night?

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

No, not enough of a case>>

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV: Any reads other than Phillamon and Pitty? I just took a break from catching up the game as a whole to read your ISO, there's hardly any reads on people at all, and I'd like to know what you're thinking about the day game, rather than the night game.

Yeah, let me get to the end of the page and I'll come back to this.

[BBmolla]

What would a bum be doing there?

I just wanted a place to sleep that was warmer than outside. I slipped by security, found food and drinks, and found a gun in the bathroom.