Mini 1390: Game Over

[_Sherlock_]

you're*

[Tommy]

I believe I need to apologize to you for the misunderstanding. Sorry about that!

No problem.

What do you think of my read on the trollie and absta post I made?

You mean 535? _Sherlock_ is right that it's anti-town to draw attention to soft-claims, but absta101 is right that it isn't really a scum-tell. It is slightly scummy that absta101 hasn't since been able to explain why he did it, but then I guess he's had quite a bit of explaining to do. Then we get on to absta101's response to _Sherlock_ in post 503. You're right that this wasn't a scum-tell and TheTrollie was wrong. I guess if I had an overall scummy view of TheTrollie, then his accusation in post 518 would count against him, but since I feel he's town I read it more like over-excitedness. He saw absta101 suggesting switching to QT, and made the wrong assumption that that implied switching to QT there and then - as opposed to waiting for night. Anyway, none of that matters much for now, because of this:

Im a fucking 1-shot Vig.

Dammit, Slandaar.

Everybody off the Trollie wagon now

.

The biggest scum-tell you've dropped all game, absta101, is that you posted several times between the claim and your unvote. It's also scummier than anything Parama did.

I'd rather TheTrollie didn't use his shot tonight.

[JacobSavage]

@absta
1. not a day one lynch but I replaced in there https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=13332
2. Okay my be was I was an SK that game but sssh https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14128
3. Finally this one D1, VT (yes I know, I was a terrible player then) https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=13625

But yes any protective roles really should be on Trollie tonight now but other than that I think not wasting it until its needed is best although it would be a good test of his claim.

[toxictaipan]

@Mod: A vote count would be cool.

Alright, we're obviously not lynching TheTrollie. I wasn't sold on the Parama case, but absta101's recent posts are easily his scummiest yet.

UNVOTE: Kinetic

[Slandaar]

Had been assuming you are an alt even though you denied Sherlock.

I hate this situation. Trollie is probably town - claiming a confirmable role as scum is pretty bad; Absta is town I am pretty sure...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Abaddon

We need to flashwagon on Abaddon, he is scum.

Why are you blaming me Tommy and for what exactly?

Directing Trollie is bad.

[_Sherlock_]

How about you explain why my case is wrong and why absta is town. If you can successfully do that before deadline and there's a reasonable chance of people switching, MAYBE I'll wagon Abaddon.

In other words, it's probably not gonna happen.

[absta101]

The biggest scum-tell you've dropped all game, absta101, is that you posted several times between the claim and your unvote.

How is this even scummy?
I posted 2 times talking to Sherlock and Kwll. The third post was close enough (in time) to be part of the unvote post.
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I'll sheep Slandaar for today, only guy I trust now.
VOTE: Abbadon

[_Sherlock_]

I'll sheep Slandaar for today, only guy I trust now.

lolwut?

[Idiotking]

We have to confirm trollie's story. I say have him kill Cheery.

Vote Absta

[absta101]

Is that a hammer?

[_Sherlock_]

Shooting N1 is a terrible idea in the first place.

Besides, what the hell kind of fakeclaim is one-shot vig? I may have confirmation bias, but that's a pretty bad role to claim as scum.

PEdit: I'll count.

[_Sherlock_]

No, you're at L-1.

You should give your reads.

[Idiotking]

Shooting N1 is a terrible idea in the first place.

Besides, what the hell kind of fakeclaim is one-shot vig? I may have confirmation bias, but that's a pretty bad role to claim as scum.

PEdit: I'll count.

If Trollie is a legit 1-shot vig then mafia will be gunning for him from the very beginning. Doctors are becoming increasingly rare on Mafiascum, so there is no guarantee we will have one. A roleblocker is more likely, but since roleblockers have a much lower chance of preventing a scum attack, we have very little chance of a roleblocker helping keep Trollie alive.

[nhammen]

Vote Count 1.13

absta101(6): _Sherlock_, Tommy, kwll, TheTrollie, JacobSavage, Idiotking

TheTrollie(3): Deltabacon, Cheery Dog, Abaddon
Abaddon(2): Slandaar, absta101

not voting (1): Kinetic, toxictaipan

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2012-11-17 17:30:00)

I have decided to extend the deadline by 24 hours.
New deadline is in

(expired on 2012-11-18 17:30:00)

[_Sherlock_]

No, I was saying the Mafia might have a Roleblocker.

[Idiotking]

... maybe you are right, Sherlock, but it's gotten me thinking.

I have a theory now. Sherlock/Trollie scumteam.

This is based on the fact that Sherlock has been absolutely adamant about keeping Trollie alive in these last few hours using extremely weak arguments. This is 50% of the case against Trollie himself. Now add into that the fact you are saying that he is town because he has claimed an easily confirmable role,

but you are against our efforts to get it confirmed

.

Your actions close to the deadline are very peculiar, Sherlock. If absta flips town I'm going to be highly suspicious of you. I could see a Sherlock/Trollie/Cheery scumteam.

[nhammen]

@Mod: V/LA from Sunday until next Sunday.

A week long V/LA? Although, most of it will be over the Night phase, so it isn't as bad as a week long V/LA over a day phase. I will send a PM about this.

[nhammen]

Hmm... this is also Thanksgiving week. Maybe I will be a little bit more lenient on prods over the next week because of this.

[TheTrollie]

god i wish idiot was scum

[absta101]

Slandaar is a slight town read.

Lynch me to stop the no-lynch going through.

[Tommy]

Why are you blaming me Tommy and for what exactly?

It was a bit harsh. Sorry. I was kind of hoping we'd only need one person to claim, but given the situation I guess that was unrealistic.

How about you explain why my case is wrong and why absta is town. If you can successfully do that before deadline and there's a reasonable chance of people switching, MAYBE I'll wagon Abaddon.

Seconded. Now that we have an extension, this is possible. I have an open mind. But you'd need to show me why

my

absta101 case is wrong as well (posts 456, 513 and 576). And my Parama one (post 115).

Preview edit: looks like this post now forms part of my absta101 case too. There's no way his last post came from town - if he was town, he would have a guarantee that his own lynch would hinder his team. He should be campaigning hard for his biggest scum read, not giving up.

[_Sherlock_]

... maybe you are right, Sherlock, but it's gotten me thinking.

I have a theory now. Sherlock/Trollie scumteam.

This is based on the fact that Sherlock has been absolutely adamant about keeping Trollie alive in these last few hours using extremely weak arguments. This is 50% of the case against Trollie himself. Now add into that the fact you are saying that he is town because he has claimed an easily confirmable role,

but you are against our efforts to get it confirmed

.

Your actions close to the deadline are very peculiar, Sherlock. If absta flips town I'm going to be highly suspicious of you. I could see a Sherlock/Trollie/Cheery scumteam.

Sure, that's a reasonable conclusion. However, my reasons for not wanting Trollie to shoot are perfectly substantiated. You'd also have to assume I'm not into the whole distancing thing.

Lynch me to stop the no-lynch going through.

This doesn't add up. A few hours ago, you agreed with wagoning Abaddon up after Trollie claimed. Now that we have

more

time than before, you're suggesting your own lynch just so that we have something. It's AtE.

[absta101]

Wait what? We have more time?

[absta101]

I didn't read the Mods VC post fully. Hence the "to stop the no-lynch going through".

[_Sherlock_]

Fair enough. You could have also voted yourself