Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[callforjudgement]

So it's not a case of DV being

cleared

by a Seanald townflip; however, all the arguments made so far for DV-groupscum completely collapse if Seanald flips town.

Seanald, please confirm that you share a QT with DeasVail. This is important!

[PeregrineV]

Oh, and people most implicated by a Seanald scumflip are Peregrine to some extent (Neighbourizer shenanigans) and DeasVail (for similar reasons).

I'd like to hear more on this. If Senald flips scum, there's no implication for his investigated targets, but on me for {What exactly?} and Eid claimed Consp Consumer. If Eid wasn't scum before, how did DV become scum?

The theory for you is based on the weird advertising result; you'd be in the best position to manipulate advertisements because you were bidding on them, but the most obvious reason to do that would be if you'd somehow discovered the opposite scumteam, or thought you would soon, and the easiest method with which to do that would be Seanald's Cop shots. If Seanald is town, there's no obvious method via which the scumteams could have linked.

Tammy getting outbid makes this line of reasoning rather weaker in retrospect (I hadn't fully thought the implications through when SPB were questioning me). If scum wanted neighbourizer badly enough to outbid her, they probably wanted it badly enough to outbid you too, so the situation became more null.

In DV's case, he aimed his advertised Neighbourize at Seanald, or claimed to. If DV is fakeclaiming, he'd have to aim it at a buddy so as not to be exposed. If Seanald flips town, then DV was telling the truth about his role, and although proven role doesn't necessarily mean proven alignment, I have a hard time seeing that role belonging to groupscum. This theory didn't hold for Eidolon because she wasn't around when the slot got the Neighbourizer power (and she'd agreed to use it on Mehdi, which was an entirely sensible plan).

Convoluted logic, since I advertized cop for $152. All it takes to win is to advertize more than that.

Anyways, can you explain why we are not lynching Seanald and letting his townflip determine who gets the cop, and otherwise make alternate plans for his scumflip?

[guille2015]

Anyways, can you explain why we are not lynching Seanald and letting his townflip determine who gets the cop, and otherwise make alternate plans for his scumflip?

This is bad. Regardless of what Seanald flips. If he flips town, by your logic it would be me to buy the cop power. However, I practically have no money. It would be relatively inexpensive for mafia to get the cop out of town hands. Now, the best option is for SBP to grab it.

[PeregrineV]

Anyways, can you explain why we are not lynching Seanald and letting his townflip determine who gets the cop, and otherwise make alternate plans for his scumflip?

This is bad. Regardless of what Seanald flips. If he flips town, by your logic it would be me to buy the cop power. However, I practically have no money. It would be relatively inexpensive for mafia to get the cop out of town hands. Now, the best option is for SBP to grab it.

Greygnarl got the NK for a buck. Every single day-plan is predicated on scum being happy with the town plan and letting it go through. If Seanld-town=you-town, why shouldn't you get the cop if you bid all you money on it and town isn't countering you? Why would scum want cop over NK?

[PeregrineV]

Anyways, can you explain why we are not lynching Seanald and letting his townflip determine who gets the cop, and otherwise make alternate plans for his scumflip?

This is bad. Regardless of what Seanald flips. If he flips town, by your logic it would be me to buy the cop power. However, I practically have no money. It would be relatively inexpensive for mafia to get the cop out of town hands. Now, the best option is for SBP to grab it.

Greygnarl got the NK for a buck. Every single day-plan is predicated on scum being happy with the town plan and letting it go through. If Seanld-town=you-town, why shouldn't you get the cop if you bid all you money on it and town isn't countering you? Why would scum want cop over NK?

[guille2015]

If the cop falls on the hands of mafia, then it's useless. If the cop falls on the hands of town, we can confirm town or better yet confirm scum. Mafia would likely want to avoid that at any cost. Also, there are two mafias, although coordination is difficult, if they manage to do it, they can get the most out of the bids. If DV and Seanald are opposite mafias, then they likely have already coordinated what they have to do.

[Magua]

An intern ran breathlessly into the room. I was a little taken aback, because I had done my best to ensure that everyone was in this room so they could all take part in the democratic process we were undergoing, but there it was, I had obviously missed an intern.

"callforjudgement, callforjudgement!" the intern panted out, in a stunning display of efficient-lungs-despite-being-out-of-breath.

We all looked at callforjudgement, who looked nonplussed. "What?"

"Hackers! Hackers are hacking your website! Right now!"

callforjudgement leapt out of his chair to deal with the problem, because business comes first. The rest of us continued.

Event:

callforjudgement's vote is frozen on Tazaro, and cannot be moved for the rest of the Day. Votes by callforjudgement on or after post 2350 are ignored.

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.4

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Tazaro (5): SlumberPartyBois, greygnarl,

callforjudgement

, N, Mehdi2277
Phillammon (2): Seanald, BBmolla
Seanald (2): VoidedMafia, Pitty

Not Voting (7): Guille2015, StefanB, DeasVail, PeregrineV, Phillammon, Tammy, Tazaro

Deadline is December 3rd, at 5:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-12-03 17:00:00)

[Tazaro]

If a lynch is my fate here, then may it be resolved that it is timely to say, "I accept it."

[Tazaro]

How about "it BE timely"?

[Tazaro]

But if I am to die, how about with a nk?

[Tazaro]

Nevertheless, decide my fate.

[Tazaro]

Would this help you decide it?

VOTE: Tazaro

[greygnarl]

Peregrine is being really weird by trying to get somebody with no money to buy the cop. Still don't like him.

[Tazaro]

I'm basically obsessed with buying stuff.

[StefanB]

@All: If DV is groupscum, there is no QT so he and Sean can't be from different teams.
Doesn't mean that they didn't fake it, if they are scum together.
I don't see any townreason to neighborize the scum cop.

SK has a motivation.

So from that, I give DV town the lowest posibility.
No abbilitys for you.

Sean: You have still a chance to get the SK lynched or distance yourself. (2089 is a confirmation of the QT from Sean, so there is no turning bad) Want to paraphrase your thoughts, scumhunting.

Vote: Tazaro

Tazaro

: You have now a mission, get your reads out. Convince me why you are derp town and not desperate scum, because that selfvote looks completly fake. And giving me a reason, why not to lynch your selfvoter. (Lynch all selfvoters is totally policity)

And if aren't scum, any plan to not make everyone hate you postgame.

[Tazaro]

Ok, this will be my "worksheet" to fill in for my reads:
SlumberPartyBois,
greygnarl,
callforjudgement,
N,
Mehdi2277,
Phillammon,
Seanald,
BBmolla,
VoidedMafia,
Pitty,
Guille2015,
StefanB,
DeasVail,
PeregrineV,
Tammy,

[Tazaro]

Now doubly spaced:

SlumberPartyBois,

greygnarl,

callforjudgement,

N,

Mehdi2277,

Phillammon,

Seanald,

BBmolla,

VoidedMafia,

Pitty,

Guille2015,

StefanB,

DeasVail,

PeregrineV,

Tammy,

[greygnarl]

WTF are you doing?

[StefanB]

And Peregrine, we are not risking the cop for "scum will not fight this, if we bid low."
The cop is to important for that!!!
I want to scream at a lot of people and ask them if they want to claim scum or are just completly insane.
Tazaro (seensless spamming comes after that), Sean, Peregrine and DV are on that list. (List from WTF are you doing, are you insane????? to perhaps only mindblowing stupid)
So this people have work to do.

Perhaps a special shoutout goes to Peregrine: I know you. You make normally more sense. You are far from a VI, what was that for a stupid antitown plan?

[Tazaro]

Tazaro 11/21/12
SlumberPartyBois, LEFT possibly

greygnarl, LEFT

callforjudgement, Misguided TOWN for voting me?

N, ??

Mehdi2277, if I trusted her enough to give money, so ...

Phillammon, TOWN member

Seanald, If scum, not in the same team as SPB?

BBmolla, I trusted his claim

VoidedMafia, said he could be LEFT member

Pitty, Gut pinged by this participant

Guille2015, Gut pinged by this participant

StefanB, Same as Tammy below if not more null

DeasVail, Null to scum

PeregrineV, ?

Tammy, Null leaning town to town

[Tazaro]

Tazaro, TOWN

UNVOTE

A++

[StefanB]

So why the vote, why the 2 usless post?
Well the reads are not that great usful.
Phil and then Mehdi are your greatest townreads right?

If you are town, can you please try to play to win?

[SlumberPartyBois]

Ha I love it when we catch three to four scum at once (guille now you just have to claim scum)

Pedit: seriously? You realize he just scum claimed right?

[Tazaro]

So why the vote, why the 2 usless post?
Well the reads are not that great usful.
Phil and then Mehdi are your greatest townreads right?

If you are town, can you please try to play to win?

Forget the vote. Forget the 2 posts. Grade my reads.
Phil, BBmolla, and Mehdi would have my trust.
Town can win after lynching me.