Mafia 53: A Bit Out Of The Norm - Abandoned!

[Thestatusquo]

Listen what is reason to vote against Rathyr? Seriously none he is on Towns side which is good, if he doesnt lie that is.

Uh...Are you dumb, or what.

[Fuldu]

Listen what is reason to vote against Rathyr? Seriously none he is on Towns side which is good, if he doesnt lie that is. So why do you people vote against him? I suggest people to re-think their actions.

I'm sorry. Is this argument seriously "Don't vote for Rathyr because he's pro-town, if he's telling the truth"?

As for the testing suggestion, there aren't that many roles that could target Rathyr in a way that would be obvious to the entire town. Cop, only known to the person who targeted him. Doc, not even known to the person who targeted him. Roleblocker, potentially known to the randomized target, but potentially not. Vig, usually known to the entire town, but not easily identifiable in this instance, since the randomized kill isn't necessarily going to be distinguishable from any other kills. I haven't looked through the entire role list, but I don't think it's as simple as you're suggesting, Rathyr.

[Eon]

Listen what is reason to vote against Rathyr? Seriously none he is on Towns side which is good, if he doesnt lie that is. So why do you people vote against him? I suggest people to re-think their actions.

I'm sorry. Is this argument seriously "Don't vote for Rathyr because he's pro-town, if he's telling the truth"?

As for the testing suggestion, there aren't that many roles that could target Rathyr in a way that would be obvious to the entire town. Cop, only known to the person who targeted him. Doc, not even known to the person who targeted him. Roleblocker, potentially known to the randomized target, but potentially not. Vig, usually known to the entire town, but not easily identifiable in this instance, since the randomized kill isn't necessarily going to be distinguishable from any other kills. I haven't looked through the entire role list, but I don't think it's as simple as you're suggesting, Rathyr.

Oh, yes didnt think about those type of roles...well my bad here. Fine then i will look at things more.

[Thestatusquo]

You didn't think of cop, doc, roleblocker, vigilante? WTF.

Unvote, vote EON

[Rathyr]

I have to agree.

Eon, what were you thinking?

[Yosarian2]

The way I see it, Rathyr's claim would be almost impossible for a scum to fake. The possibily that he might be black goo is worrying, but that dosn't really seem all that likely to me, and could still be tested at some point in the game with a claimed vig or something.

At this point, I tend to believe Rathyr that he's the nexus, at least believe him enough to wait and subject him to tests. It's almost always a bad idea to lynch someone with a testable claim on day 1. I am still waiting to see if the mods'll say if there's a posibility of a scum nexus of some type.

[Frozen Atlantic]

unvote

. I seriously don't like Rathyr's attempt to railroad earlier today, but I don't think he's the scum we're looking for.

I'm gonna look at other players reactions to him later and return with thoughts.

[klebian]

Yeah, I also think that rathyr is the scum we AREN'T looking for.

[Sarcastro]

Unvote, Vote: thestatusquo

TSQ is extremely scummy, Rathyr is not. I'm going for conciseness.

[Thestatusquo]

Uh...Because conciseness allows me to defend myself and everything.

[klebian]

LOL at Eon's post.

If you really think I am goo then just designate a single player to test me in a fashion that is

obvious to the whole game whether it worked or not.

Hello!

Is that possible? If you ARE goo, then the person who tested you would be put in a trap and thus he himself would be lynched as well. No one wants to run the risk of becoming goo, because then they can't perform night actions in the future (actually, I'd like to be sure I'm correct here --does a goo lose all previous powers?). The testing idea wouldn't really work in this case.

I'm not sure how strong nexus is that we'd risk him being scum/goo to save him.

[Sarcastro]

Allowing you a defence would be inefficient. But, since you answered sarcastically, I'm bound to give you the opportunity.

I think that cadre continues to look...off in my eyes. Maybe not truely scummy, but enough to keep my vote for now. Rathyr is pushing WAY too hard this early on day 1, so depending on his actions in the future I may feel compelled to switch votes to him.

Scummy indecisiveness, trying to keep your options open. You continue to vote Cadre, but make weak comments about Rathyr seeming scummy so that you have an out if he turns into a better target.

I personally buy the claim. It's way too strong to be a fake claim, imho.

Unvote, Vote: rathyr

His handling of the goo possibility has convinced me that he very well may be it.

Nice about-face once you realised you still had a good shot at lynching a potentially powerful pro-town player (hurray for alliteration). His handling of "the goo possibility" wasn't scummy at all, you just wanted an excuse to keep voting him.

So yeah, that and some generally scummy behaviour made me decide to vote you. Now you can defend yourself.

[Thestatusquo]

K, thanks homie.

On your one, I was the first one who called cadre out. The first one who pointed out that his posts reeked, and I kept myself on him until another target came along, because I felt his posts were a little off.

On your two, Uhhhh Rathyrs defense was essentially "Yeah...I could be goo...Shit. Yeah, maybe we should try it anyways." If you think that doesn't sound exactly like cult trying to get recruits, then I don't know what does.

[Twomz]

unvote

til the mod shows up...

I for one did find Rathyr's handling of the goo possibility scummy.

Regardless of his ability, his claim CAN be tested later if need be. I doubt he's "scum", but there is a strong chance that he's neutral (:?) in which case i'm willing to leave him be til we catch the actual scum (mafiasos).

I really need to do another reread... a lot of stuff in this game is just passing straight through my brain and not connecting w/ anything. I don't really have any read on anyone that I can grasp at . Hopefully w/ a clear head and full stomach tomorrow, something will stick.

[Eon]

You didn't think of cop, doc, roleblocker, vigilante? WTF.

Unvote, vote EON

Hello this is my 2nd game and i wrote random stuff...accidentaly. Your reaction is kinda surprising but anyway if you want vote me big deal =]

[Thestatusquo]

Uh...Dude, I can find your posts in 7 other games.

[Eon]

Well i just finished 1 game if you check out my latest posts in other games you will see that these days they are weird.
Anyway you hold for air here Thestatusquo, think im scum because of my stupid post?

[GlorkoS]

HezLucky has been KILLED

Or so you thought, until he started breathing again.

HezLucky is alive again

[GlorkoS]

Note: A Nexus can only be Neutral or Protown. All investigation roles will be informed of who their result is on if it is relevant info.

[Sailor Jerry]

I'd be in favor of a vig attempt against rathyr. We'll either hit rathyr as scum, or we'd have as much chance of hitting a scum as we do with today's lynch.

[Toaster Strudel]

Looks like a Dayvig attempt was just made against HezLucky. How many dayvigs do you think we have in this game, SailorJerry?

Why would a Dayvig target Rathyr, who has claimed, and might still be lynched?

SailorJerry, your post is very scummy. Are you in a rush to see Rathyr being lynched? I don't get your logic at all. Care to explain more deeply?

[Fuldu]

The way I see it, Rathyr's claim would be almost impossible for a scum to fake. The possibily that he might be black goo is worrying, but that dosn't really seem all that likely to me, and could still be tested at some point in the game with a claimed vig or something.

At this point, I tend to believe Rathyr that he's the nexus, at least believe him enough to wait and subject him to tests. It's almost always a bad idea to lynch someone with a testable claim on day 1. I am still waiting to see if the mods'll say if there's a posibility of a scum nexus of some type.

Fine. You're not worried about Rathyr being Goo (and testing for that "at some point in the game" is a horrible idea. We either test it now or we risk being overrun). What about Rathyr being a Bus Driver? He takes himself as one of the players targeted and fakes the appearance of a Nexus.

Since they answered for Nexus:

mod

: What are the possible alignments for Black Goo?
What are the possible alignments for Green Goo?
What are the possible alignments for Bus Driver?
Would a Bus Driver be allowed to target himself?

[Rathyr]

If anyone wants to own up to that odd occorance, be my guest. I'm going to look through the possible roles and see what might have happened.

[Rathyr]

Damn. So many possibilities. I'm still hoping for somesort of claim, otherwise I may vote Hezlucky. I'm a little suspicious of people who return from the dead.

[Rathyr]

Also, if anyone has a protown dayvig role, you could try to dayvig me, after claiming, and that would prove a lot of things, as the bus driver for example only works at night. Also, if your power failed, we would know if I am the goo or not.