Mini 1390: Game Over

[Slandaar]

To be fair; Abaddon has clearly flaked ie isn't lurking.

Trollie, don't shoot any more unless you're, like, almost 100% sure that your target is scum.

He

need's

to shoot again and should do it tonight.

There's also the possibility that I'm right in the townreads, but Trollie is an SK. Which I could totally see.

No those setups basically don't exist, don't ask me how I know.

Side note: since Absta flipped Town, anyone against my lynch from the begining and on absta probtown

This makes no sense.

Trollie what exactly would the town reaction be to seeing their town read being flashwagoned so close to deadline?

Anyways;
A lot of kwll's posting reads fake to me, I am in for an Abaddon lynch also but on reflection I think kwll is the better lynch.

VOTE: Kwll

[_Sherlock_]

[quote="In post 650, Slandaar]

Trollie, don't shoot any more unless you're, like, almost 100% sure that your target is scum.

He

need's

to shoot again and should do it tonight.[/quote]

Explain or no.

There's also the possibility that I'm right in the townreads, but Trollie is an SK. Which I could totally see.

No those setups basically don't exist, don't ask me how I know.

I have a recently-read game as a counterpoint. Tintin Mafia. Just finished, like, a week ago. I've been in one or two as well.

Anyway, that really doesn't matter.

[TheTrollie]

Happy thanksgiving. I prolly won't be on till tonight. At the Macy's parade. Fun fun fun

[Slandaar]

If trollie is killed before his second shot ie if he is killed tonight scum are literally given a free kill ie; nolynch-> scumkill or a vigkill; so needs to happen tonight in case of death.

+ it puts the game back to odd numbers which is obviously very good.

(That is a theme game)

[_Sherlock_]

Ah, I see.

But only one shot.

[Idiotking]

Ok, so I've talked it out with my associate, and we've agreed that this is the best course of action.

ROLECLAIM: Neighbor with JacobSavage

.

Now, since we're not masons, we don't know each other's alignment. Since there are only two of us, however, unless there is another neighborhood, it's most likely that we're both town.

I also recommend a massclaim at this point, because a whole lot of vanilla townies have died, so scum will have to claim actual roles, increasing the chance of counterclaims. At the very least, we at least need to know if there is another neighborhood.

I am willing to buy that Trollie is at least not scum. I'm not sold on him being a vig necessarily, as he may still be a SK. For now if he still needs to do what the town as a whole says. If we hit 3 scum, obviously Trollie will be scum.

First, I think we need to agree whether we should massclaim or not. If the majority agrees then we can do it popcorn style.

[_Sherlock_]

Definitely don't massclaim today. MAYBE tomorrow.

Has there been much discussion in your Neighbor QT?

[JacobSavage]

not for the first half of the first night, I kind of forgot to check but other than that...

[_Sherlock_]

Hmm.

My Idiotking townread is reinforced. If there's any scum in the Neighborhood, it's Jacob.

[Idiotking]

Should rephrase that post a bit: If we hit 3 scum, Trollie is definitely

SK

.

So 1 vote for massclaim, 1 against.

I'm going to have to go back tomorrow and find out who I think is scum. A whole lot of them just died. I'm leaning scum on Sherlock, though, primarily because of his defense of Trollie and refusal to let him be confirmed. But come to think of it, Trollie was confirmed as at least a night killer, and has said that he isn't just one-shot, so a one-shot mafia killer is not true. Meaning, he's not scum. So scum-Sherlock wouldn't have been defending his scumbuddy, and he argued against Trollie shooting last night, which is the opposite of what he would have wanted if he'd known Cheery was town. I can't go after Jacob either, because unless there is another neighborhood, Jacob is very likely town. Tommy and Cheery are dead now too, so I can't even go after them.

Dammit

people, don't do this to me.

[Idiotking]

Basically in the quicktopic we discussed whether to claim or not. I also questioned Jacob why he retreated from voting on one of the major wagons on D1. We also briefly discussed a Sherlock/Cheery/Trollie scumteam, but that idea seems to have been blown to Hell.

[TheTrollie]

Do not massclaim

[TheTrollie]

@Slandaar, why would scum jump on the absta wagon instead of joining the wagon on me.

I think the best course of action is to look at the absta wagon and my wagon. We have three flips, sucks they are all town but should be a lot to go off of. I am going to do a new list of reads based solely on interactions with conftownies and compare that with my other list of reads

[Abaddon]

Today is Thanksgiving. I've caught up overnight, but left my laptop at home. I'll post it when I don't have to phonepost

[Slandaar]

No massclaiming.

@Slandaar, why would scum jump on the absta wagon instead of joining the wagon on me.

Generally; because they were not voting you so by voting Absta they ensure 2 large wagons on town; because they are scum who think like you; because they thought you were lynched and could park their vote on a 2nd wagon then get 2nd wagon lynched d2 ie Absta.

A more precise answer; Well their reads were 'Trollie town Absta scum' so had to vote Absta to follow through with what they were saying.

The point being; assuming scum were on one town wagon and not the other is just bad.

[Deltabacon]

Having serious problems with my UCAS applications, so I'm V/LA until tuesday, most likely.

[JacobSavage]

What/where you applying to? [/offtopic]
Anyway in my humble opinion Trollie should be considered a invalid lynch target for the rest of the day, I mean there is little point arguing over whether Trollie is an SK/Vig/2nd Scum team when we could be focusing on finding the other scum, we can control his kills in order to make sure its not too harmful to town.

Also I would say yes to mass claim but thats just me

[TheTrollie]

Ok,

eventually I want to do a thorough look through of the thread now that we have a lot more info, but for now I'll say this

ConfTown-Dead

Absta (VT)
Tommy (VT)
CD (VT)

Claimed Town PRs

Idiotking - neighbor with JS
JacobSavage - neighbor with Idiot
TheTrollie - vig

town reads

Sherlock

- gut (worried because this may just be halo effect for being on my side yesterday)

Delta

- This is one of my first stops when i get the chance. I very hastily declared Delta town for his argument with me but I do not think I should have. I need to re-read our interaction now that I am not as riled up by the argument and make sure it looks town. I think i spoke to this in my notes last night actually

kwll

- willing to entertain the other side of this argument.

(sorry being rushed by fam now to get out of house) so far: my three town reads listed have some skepticism i need to double check. formatting from now on not as neat cause rushing

abaddon - scummy - need more from abaddon. unwilling to do much until we hear from abaddon AND
Kinetic - dumb to keep playing this game like we are with pieces of the puzzle missing. if kinetic is scum we are letting a pretty dumb scum-strat get the best of us

Slandaar - gut says town, logic says I gotta be careful. There is a good story for smart scumslandaar.

jacobsavage - if one of the two claimed neighbors is scum, itd be this one. I want to double check why i said he was town, but i do think it was a good reason. something to do with his reasons for unvoting me i think (though that also means he started a wagon and hopped off which is a scumtell usually)

Idiotking - like i said in my notes from last night. I think I am putting too much weight into one very pro-town post. Want to re-read that post to be sure I am not being mislead

I think thats everyone. Sorry i know this post was repetative from some of the stuff i wrote last night. My plan while we wait for Abaddon/kinetic action is to go back and solidify my town reads

[nhammen]

Deleted double post.

[kwll]

just got back into town...will be posting soon

[_Sherlock_]

@Mod: I'm officially back from V/LA.

I'm going to try in-depth analysis on every player tonight if I'm given the chance.

kwll, I see you. I'm looking forward to your post.

[_Sherlock_]

Oh, you left.

[nhammen]

This game seems to have slowed down somewhat due to the holidays. Under normal conditions, both toxictaipan and Kinetic would be due for prods as of 6 hours ago, but they are both on V/LA until today. Nobody else is due for a prod until 5 hours from now.

[JacobSavage]

Also V/LA Sunday and Monday by the way. thanks

[_Sherlock_]

Alright. Reads, in the order from most to least convenient for me to type up:

_Sherlock_:

Town, duh.

Trollie:

Either Town or SK. I see no point in speculating on this further.