Micro 75: Bureaucracy Mafia (Game Over)

[pirate mollie]

so what doyou think of njoseph, maestro?

[Maestro]

@mollie: I already made a post saying how unsure I was about Tazaro. His time/experience would indicated he's not as incompetent as his posts here show, which is just me being honest, I'm not trying to insult. I don't have a good read on him.

@Shamrock: I don't know what assumptions to make about the papers, but I have reached a conclusion based on Jake's posting from yesterday and his death last night that it is very possible that the Scumteam is connected to the papers. In my mind the evidence is sufficient to prove that the null hypothesis "the papers have nothing to do with Scum" is false, since to me the evidence suggests that if the null hypothesis were true, the events we've witnessed so far would be unlikely. Conversely, the alternate hypothesis "the papers are connected to who is Scum" has not been disproven at all, since the evidence is not only possible but likely given that the null hypothesis is false and therefore supports the alternate hypothesis since the two events are the only outcomes of the hypothetical situation and are mutually exclusive.

If anybody here hasn't taken a statistics class or would like me to explain my reasoning in different terms, just ask.

[Maestro]

Hopefully this will help.

[njoseph]

Okay, Mathematics to try to make decisions in Mafia is genuine effort.
I already said that the "other" scum could be m_a. There were two papers, and one COULD have included a scum's name.

VOTE: maverick_alpha

[Maestro]

Statistical reasoning is also fundamentally provable or unprovable, so you can tell my thought process is genuine/true and you should all sheep me on it.
Any thoughts at all besides defending past opinions of "who is Scum" which are only relatively relevant a Day later? Or are you scum, Tazaro?

[njoseph]

It is still relevant that m_a hasn't been on contributing much

[njoseph]

It is still relevant that m_a hasn't been on contributing much

[pirate mollie]

okay let's get this sorted.

request for mod prod on maverick pretty plz

[pirate mollie]

@mollie: I already made a post saying how unsure I was about Tazaro. His time/experience would indicated he's not as incompetent as his posts here show, which is just me being honest, I'm not trying to insult. I don't have a good read on him.

@Shamrock: I don't know what assumptions to make about the papers, but I have reached a conclusion based on Jake's posting from yesterday and his death last night that it is very possible that the Scumteam is connected to the papers. In my mind the evidence is sufficient to prove that the null hypothesis "the papers have nothing to do with Scum" is false, since to me the evidence suggests that if the null hypothesis were true, the events we've witnessed so far would be unlikely. Conversely, the alternate hypothesis "the papers are connected to who is Scum" has not been disproven at all, since the evidence is not only possible but likely given that the null hypothesis is false and therefore supports the alternate hypothesis since the two events are the only outcomes of the hypothetical situation and are mutually exclusive.

If anybody here hasn't taken a statistics class or would like me to explain my reasoning in different terms, just ask.

so vote him

[Empking]

Vote Count 3

njoseph (1) - pirate mollie
Maestro (1) - maverick_alpha
maverick_alpha (1) - njoseph

Not voting: Shamrock, Maestro, Aj The Epic, Robert2424

[njoseph]

@MOD: Maestro's vote should be on maverick_alpha

[Maestro]

Yes, it should. mollie, I'm not voting Tazaro for now because "probScum/badTown I have no read on" is trumped by "probScum/sureScum who's lurking his ass off".

[Shamrock]

Jake was obvious town and had some sort of object that had information on it and was obviously too much of a stubborn ass to give it to anyone.

Why are people acting like his death is a mystery or even indicative of anything interesting.

[maverick_alpha]

I hate sick weeks

Alright, sorry I haven't been participating much late Day 1, couldn't really go online due to sickness. So if there were any questions directed to me, could anyone please repost.
@Maestro did your paper change on anything? Did the "Symbol" make any sense?

Okay, I've been reading (ahem, skimming) Day 2 posts because it's early in the morn. Rereading again later

[Aj The Epic]

Always helpful to have good first posts from lurkers.

7 left, 4 to lynch? Just a check, since M_A is probably at l-2 right now.

Anyways, I'm not big on this "Name on card, must be scum" or even "name on card, lynch to check scum" logic. I think Maestro may just be looking for a lynch to get him through the day. He played quietly and without much important said yesterday, and now he's playing pretty hard for an M_A lynch. I think we may end up being duped.

VOTE: Maestro

You have two small reasons to lynch M_A. Lurking, and the fact that he's on the paper. You couldn't even bring yourself to call him scummy. And let me remind you, we just lynched a lurker, pro-town. So that excuse about lurking scum? Not going to work, buddy. I don't want to be goaded into voting someone solely on activity when you've changed up your style so much today. What's with the more aggressive and forced attack on M_A today, and the passive attempt to have a 'intent to hammer' only hours before the deadline, when you knew Breakfast wouldn't respond fast enough? Mind explaining why I'm seeing such a different side of you today?

[Robert2424]

Well, I'm torn on this issue right now, and I might have work tonight(it be good if I did). I feel Maverick hasn't participated much and may be targeted just for that, or it could be him being scum due to a paper, but that would make very little sense why a mod would do that though? I like modding games on Ika mafia, and wouldn't do that. That be outing the mafia and what kind of game would that be? I wouldn't do that as a mod. Maestro is pushing to just to see, purposes really. So, if Maverick is town, and we lynch him, somebody else will be killed during the night, that would mean there is only 5 players left. If we do have 2 mafia, that would put us at we must get a correct lynch in order to win the game. (since we had 9 including me to begin with, I do believe we have 2 mafia). I don't like this scenario. Course I'm unsure with Maestro and if he just look automatically scummy. (Kind of like MCmasterful off the Ika site).

[Shamrock]

@njoseph

Who do you think is scum and why?

[Maestro]

He played quietly and without much important said yesterday, and now he's playing pretty hard for an M_A lynch.

This...is actually bullshit. Go read the thread, Aj, I had a huge argument with Jake, am one of the most prolific posters even considering the inactive time I suffered during a family emergency, and I briefly pushed for maverick_alpha yesterday as well. My wanting his lynch does not come out of the blue in any way, shape, or form. Also, I tihnk most of the thread would agree that those who're "playing it safe" most definitely does not include me. It includes you and mollie though, and maverick, who has once again reappeared from Lurkcity right after being voted. I changed my vote from maverick to Breakfast yesterday because it was the best choice, especially given you all still don't believe me when I say I'm positive his name being on the paper means something. Even Jake agreed with me! And now he's dead!

@Shamrock: Speaking of which, discounting the little amount of information we have (e.g. the nightkill) is terribad, IMO. Stop this foolishness.

@maverick_alpha: No, I was given no information Night 1 about my paper. Nothing has changed.

[Maestro]

@Shamrock

Who do you think is scum and why?

[Maestro]

Actually, everybody

EXCEPT

Tazaro can answer that question.

[Shamrock]

VOTE: Maestro

[Shamrock]

(that's not actually L-1, the vote count is wrong.

maverick_alpha is not voting Maestro

)

[Maestro]

Cool, so you think I'm Scum.

@Empking: am I allowed to send my paper to another player during the day?

[njoseph]

Okay, Mathematics to try to make decisions in Mafia is genuine effort.
I already said that the "other" scum could be m_a. There were two papers, and one COULD have included a scum's name.

VOTE: maverick_alpha

Shamrock: Look at a vote on a scum. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[pirate mollie]

maestro is too pissy looking to be scum.

njoseph I am still unsure about you!!!!

I still do not understand why the maverick lynch did not happen yesterday.