Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Mantisdreamz]

Molly i was being kind of lazy with this post. But i still would like to hear your thoughts at the moment. You really think Shrimp is scum?

also mantis you need to get in here so I can get a read on you!!!

heya

i don't suppose you would want to give me a summary on your take of things?

Vote Count

Pirate Mollie (L-4):

Shrimp85

, ProHawk
Shrimp85 (L-4):

Pirate Mollie

, Adam-12
Mantis (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Adam-12 (L-4): Shrimp85

Not Voting: Code, Guille, Levi, Mantis, Mala

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Adam-12]

Well the "otherwise occupied" is what really sticks for me.

[Mantisdreamz]

@Adam, so you don't believe Leviathan's explanation?

Well, lets let everyone settle in so we can discuss it.

what should we discuss about it?

[Mantisdreamz]

Well the "otherwise occupied" is what really sticks for me.

Yea... but when it all comes down to it, do you think it's a good solid reason for a vote?

[Adam-12]

Its a major wagon atm.

[Adam-12]

Well the "otherwise occupied" is what really sticks for me.

Yea... but when it all comes down to it, do you think it's a good solid reason for a vote?

Yes.

[Mantisdreamz]

Well the "otherwise occupied" is what really sticks for me.

Yea... but when it all comes down to it, do you think it's a good solid reason for a vote?

Yes.

we are talking about the suspicion on leviathan, right?

[Adam-12]

Its a major wagon atm.

Ok, forget it.

Levi is obviously town, his explanation proves that whereas Shrimp's explanation proves he is scum.

The point is that the original case on Levi IS a good reason to vote (the only problem is Levi is town).

[ProHawk]

Adam, you don't have to take this grilling from Mantis, he isn't even laying down a vote... fencing all over the place.

[ProHawk]

EBWOP: Adam, you don't have to take this grilling from Mantis,

he

she isn't even laying down a vote... fencing all over the place.

Sorry Mantis!

[Adam-12]

Ya well, there is no reason not to bring it out I guess, I think everyone here (and anyone else reading this thread later) knows that Levi is town.

[Mantisdreamz]

EBWOP: Adam, you don't have to take this grilling from Mantis,

he

she isn't even laying down a vote... fencing all over the place.

Sorry Mantis!

haha

well I was all ready to vote Adam before the last page or so. I still have him in my mind but am not as certain

[Adam-12]

Ya, that's why I tend to like querying people before voting them.

[Code_X]

Hi merely checking. Will respond more later as this game seems to have started like a train and I've no time to read at present.

[Adam-12]

Ok that leaves Guille who has posted on site but not here.

[Adam-12]

Vote Count
Pirate Mollie (L-3): Shrimp85, ProHawk
Shrimp85 (L-3): Pirate Mollie, Adam-12

Not Voting: Code, Guille, Levi, Mantis, Mala

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Adam-12]

Mod: Can you do the votecount like this? ^^^

I knew I was missing something...

[Shrimp85]

Wow, you guys are getting me wrong.

I reviewed Shrimp's overall post history and I seriously don't think he believes what he is posting itt.

Adam, where do you get this conclusion from? I's complete BS.
I don't understand how you all are so confident about lynching Leviathan93 for logging in a bit later. Leviathan93 is one of the newest players.
Don't you even see that that's not a clear scum tell? We have all day, don't try to quick lynch, it would be a waste of all the precious time town could use for their benefit.

Explain how your vote turns from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote? I don't completely understand.

Where did you learn about this quick topic?

My vote turns serious mode because I find the reason to vote Leviathon very lacking.
It's a strategy of scum, but it's not a clear scum tell by a long shot.
That's why I assumed it was sarcasm, and the way that Pirate Mollie just joined your wagon,
makes me suspect her. Not only that, pirate mollie also just switched votes to me for no apparent reason.

And for the second question, Adam-12 should be able to answer this question if he actually DID read my history.
In my first game the discussion about quicktopic came up. Check it for yourself if you like.

@MOD, could you explain a wee bit about this? thanks

This quote would demonstrate someone that is a "complete newb" to mafia and someone that is not familiar with how things work here. I think that he has far more experience that what he is portraying here; i.e. he's not a complete newb to Mafia or this site.

Ofcourse I'm not a complete noob, I never stated that I was.

@Shrimp: How long have you been playing Mafia?

You can see this right under my profile pic.

@Mala: How much do you remember playing with Mollie? Was she town or scum?

Adam, this question is completely useless... Other games are irrelevant to this current game, except if you want to get some kind of gameplay read.

I think he has also tried to avoid responsibility for all this by claiming to be drinking.

Whaat? Are you serious? I never said that, I made typo's, I did not try to avoid any resposibility... besides, what responsibilities DO we have?
You don't even know what you're talking about.

Oh yeah, shrimp did do that. Other then being stupid I don't really know what to say about that though.

And you... wtf?

aren't blacksmiths townies?

Shouldn't you know if you're town? why did you ask?
This CAN be seen as a scum tell.

Now, in my next post I'm going to explain who I have my read on, and why.

[pirate mollie]

No, first time together. Adam, whats your read on mollie?

I don't like the process she went through to vote Levi and

if she is scum I read her as very calm and collected scum

. Her demeanor would indicate that is possible for her.

lol, where the fuck would you get that idea.

[pirate mollie]

is this a question for the sake of a question?
maybe you heard it from mantis adam in the QT!

@Shrimp: So is your vote serious or not, I can't seem to tell...

If you read his vote post he at the same time mentions his vote as RVS in a playful manner & as a serious vote for a scum tell. I hold that as disingenuous voting where he can swing responsibility both ways. So, no not a useless question at all.

It looked like shrimp maybe voted molly just as a joke at first. but then, when it was brought to his attention that malakitten was actually serious about her vote on leviathan for not confirming right away, and then saw molly's post where she somewhat furthered the idea by asking mala if it was because she thought leviathan wanted more time in pre scum chat... then his vote turned to a serious one.

i don't know if that makes sense.

guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't find shrimp all that suspicious.

and i am wondering about molly myself

.

and why is this exactly??? in the 2 years we have been playing together the only time you try to leave me out to rot is when you are scum.

VOTE: mantis

[Adam-12]

Explain how your vote turns from a semi-serious vote to a serious vote? I don't completely understand.

Where did you learn about this quick topic?

My vote turns serious mode because I find the reason to vote Leviathon very lacking.

This is not an explanation to the specific question of why your vote

turned

serious; its obvious that you found the case (erroneously) lacking on Levi. The question is actually:

Why did your vote turn serious once you discovered that Mala wasn't being sarcastic.

And btw, how in the heck could you even see Mala as being sarcastic in the first place?? These statements of yours lack a genuine feel to them and I think you made them so you could justify yourself in your vote for Mollie which you appeared to be having some self-conscious trouble with.

And for the second question, Adam-12 should be able to answer this question if he actually DID read my history.
In my first game the discussion about quicktopic came up. Check it for yourself if you like.

@MOD, could you explain a wee bit about this? thanks

This quote would demonstrate someone that is a "complete newb" to mafia and someone that is not familiar with how things work here. I think that he has far more experience that what he is portraying here; i.e. he's not a complete newb to Mafia or this site.

Ofcourse I'm not a complete noob, I never stated that I was.

@Shrimp: How long have you been playing Mafia?

You can see this right under my profile pic.

This is an outright lie based on my research and its the reason why I am sure you're scum. Your disingenuous voting and related unsupportable statements are what brought me to look at you more closely and discover this. Clearly you have manufactured a newb-town image here out of whole cloth.

I think he has also tried to avoid responsibility for all this by claiming to be drinking.

Whaat? Are you serious? I never said that, I made typo's, I did not try to avoid any resposibility... besides, what responsibilities DO we have?
You don't even know what you're talking about.

We have responsibilities with our voting and I am sure you are quite well aware of that.

[Adam-12]

No, first time together. Adam, whats your read on mollie?

I don't like the process she went through to vote Levi and

if she is scum I read her as very calm and collected scum

. Her demeanor would indicate that is possible for her.

lol, where the fuck would you get that idea.

From the way you handled the probing from Hawk.

[Shrimp85]

First off, I want to say that mantisdreamz seems to be the only one understanding why and what I did. you can see that in post post 87.

Now, my vote is without a doubt going to Adam-12.

His posts are full off useless questions.

Not at all. In both cases valuable information was concluded from that question.

Where is this valuable information?

How long have you been playing Mafia Levi?

filler

@Shrimp: How long have you been playing Mafia?

filler
[quote="adam-12]I think I will do this:

Vote Shrimp[/quote]
I got no explanation as to why you wanted to vote me in this post.

@Mala: How much do you remember playing with Mollie? Was she town or scum?

Useless

I reviewed Shrimp's overall post history and I seriously don't think he believes what he is posting itt.

This is bullshit, and almost certainly a lie.

I think that he has far more experience that what he is portraying here; i.e. he's not a complete newb to Mafia or this site.

I never stated that I WAS a noob, I DO have more experience indeed.
This post is deceiving BS.

I think he has also tried to avoid responsibility for all this by claiming to be drinking.

This is also a lie, since I never stated that.

So you guys have played together before?

Another filler.

Well, lets let everyone settle in so we can discuss it.

A call for action, but a useless one, it's obvious we have to discuss...it's another filler to make him seem active and pro town.

Levi is obviously town, his explanation proves that whereas Shrimp's explanation proves he is scum.

The point is that the original case on Levi IS a good reason to vote (the only problem is Levi is town).

Now Levi IS obviously town?
Why?

Ya well, there is no reason not to bring it out I guess, I think everyone here (and anyone else reading this thread later) knows that Levi is town.

No,this is NOT the case, there is no confirmation on Levi's role,where did you get this from?

In fact, my read on Leviathan93 has increased mainly because of these posts.

basically i'm just a simple blacksmith.

Blacksmith? I'm pretty sure there is no such role.

aren't blacksmiths townies? =P point is, i'm claiming i'm a townie.

it's like you don't even know how to claim townie.

I apologize and want to clarify my use of the term "blacksmith" It was an expression I was using to show a just a townsperson. nothing special about them. i could have said baker, or candlestick maker.

Why would you use different words? You get a role in your inbox, and that is what you are.
You can't suddenly change to a candlestick maker.
This seems like you're trying to cover up your scumslip.


VOTE: Adam-12
Almost every post you make is scummy in one way or the other, unbelievable.

And a big

FOS on Leviathan93

Sorry for the long post, but it was necessary.

[Shrimp85]

Adam, I already explained what my vote was.
It started off half serious, because I don't like people that jump early RVS wagons, definitely not when the wagon is one that is claimed to be a serious vote way at the start of the game.
So it was half serious, because I could not really understand how someone could seriously vote so early on.
It seemed too silly to be the case, so I assumed the vote was sarcastic.
Is this so hard to understand?

When the vote seemed to be a serious one, that's when mine turned serious, because that would mean that pirate mollie purposely joined a serious vote in RVS stage.
Meaning pirate mollie was creating a wagon based on so little information.

Is this clear?
You claim to have experience in this game, but I really can't see that in your gameplay.

[pirate mollie]

lol shrimp guy, I am not going to quote your long ass post but my vote levianthan was to see what would happen. it was still early enough in the game to do that yanno. I switched to you cos you looked like you were dancing around a bit with your vote on me as in you couldn't make up your mind as to whether or not it was a serious vote or not. the lack of commitment at the time made you look scummy. you trying to further what to start with was a pretty dumb case still makes you look scummy but I am on to mantis now.

I have teh prohawk as town!!!!

eta: xposts!!!!