Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Mantisdreamz]

maybe it's not the same thing entirely..
but it is still not enough for people to call out scum on him.

Even with a link proving the same?? How can you believe this??

yes!!! I don't think that just because it worked in one game that it should be really considered in another game that the same thing is happening. I think it was just fluke. It's like saying that the first person who /confirms in a game is town. and that's nonsense.

Vote Count

Mantis (L-4): Pirate Mollie
Adam-12 (L-3): Shrimp85, Guile
Prohawk (L-4): Malakittens
Guile (L-2): Adam-12, ProHawk, Leviathan
Pirate Mollie (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Code

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, who is scum?

i just said

. i'll do a reread of the last several pages

!


but off the top of my head, and from last night's reading,
i think malakitten and leviathan look town

Mala looks town? I thought you didn't like the Levi case??

No, i don't/didn't like the levi case. And i knew by me thinking that Mala seemed town, that there was a bit of contradiction there. It was the way that Mala worded herself and went on a huge hunt to see who had been online

and now that i know that she had actually found scum by doing that in another game (BY FLUKE!).. her actions seem like an eager townie, possibly finding the same results in this game, as she did another.

[Mantisdreamz]

possibly thinking*** that the same thing was happening in this game

[Mantisdreamz]

i'm not sure what this means? are you thinking i am scum, and that i'm going to place my vote on my other teammate, in order to look good(town cred, etc?)

Are you glued to the fence or something? You don't need to read between the lines, I don't leave a whole lot of space. Your vote will obviously be for scum, so when you put it down I will know where to go. That is unless you are scum and you would vote for one of the elite.

On second thought I like your idea even more. Please do share who your teammate is and if we should go after him with a watcher or a tracker...

i missed this post earlier.
the last sentence made me laugh

I think i'm posting too much in this thread now though

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE: mollie
VOTE: guille

[Adam-12]

Ok, I think I am starting to like Mantis here. At first I was like, "Why is he asking his scum read for advice/reads and saying he isn't sure about whether they are scum?"

We need to be careful because I think he might be at L-1...

He definitely needs to get on here and respond.

[Adam-12]

I just wanna confirm that Guille is at L-1 and so no quick hammers.

[Adam-12]

@Mantis: What is your take on Mollie at this point?

[Shrimp85]

The answer during my first game would have been fine, but I'm not really liking the tone here.

Yes, I must admit, I was a bit angry when I typed that, and I was mocking Adam-12 a bit.
It was just a ridiculous thing Adam-12 said to try to build up his wagon.
He claimed to have read my last game and because of that, he realized I was scum?
[quote"Adam-12"]I reviewed Shrimp's overall post history and I seriously don't think he believes what he is posting itt.[/quote]

Adam-12, I like it that you posted your reads on everyone... that is pro town.
But your votes seem to tell me otherwise.

think scum reside in the following:

Code, Guille, Mantis

Towards this end:

Vote Guille

You seriously voted the three people who are posting the least.
Easiest votes... they can also just be gone, and need to be replaced out.
Everyone agrees that people should post, that's why it's the easiest vote, and to me the scummiest action to take.

And you didn't even explain why I'm wrong about this.

His OMGUS case on Mollie is completely inaccurate. His PR Gate is completely inaccurate.

You keep saying things, but it's just empty words.

Regardless of just how plain WRONG I think he is

Explain what I'm wrong about.

On second thought I like your idea even more. Please do share who your teammate is and if we should go after him with a watcher or a tracker...

I'm not liking this in post post 204.
Sounds like your threatening for him/her to vote... kind of aggressive don't you think?

molly, what are your thoughts on guille? ---> i think he looks scummy

How come everyone's got a scum read on guille? Just because he didn't post much?
Just because people don't post much, does not mean they are scum... heck, I almost lynched town before because he didn't post much.
It's not a solid reason to vote, I think we should let their inactivity get them replaced if it continues.

what do you think of prohawk? rethink this when I flip cos I am pretty sure I will be the lynch I can see things heading in that direction.

What? seriously? You only had one vote on you!
Sounds like you were getting pressured...and strange enough, one vote was sufficient.

guille missed that Adam said his case on Shrimp evaporated

I like Mala's posts up to this point.

Quite a bit of pages last night. Good information.

Vote Adam

It seems like he is focusing all his attention on shrimp, especially on something that was quite minor, IMO.

It will be interesting to see where he goes from here after he backed down from his Shrimp crusade.

There is something more from him that caught my eye. His questions are loaded questions. I only see scum intent in loaded questions.

My runner up scummy is Pirate Mollie. This one is more gut that anything else, and that I don't see much scummyness from the other posters.

Looks like a scum skim to me...

It really does in a way. I was thinking, maybe he prepared that post a little while before he posted it. And missed out on some of the current going ons ...... maybe i should take a look at the time stamps again.

Is it just me who sees this? I'm pretty sure he

did

see that Adam-12 backed off of the case against me.

It's like saying that the first person who /confirms in a game is town. and that's nonsense.

Finally someone understands!!!post 225

Ok, I think I am starting to like Mantis here.

Yeah, you say this right after he votes for Guille...

-===================================================================================-

I believe we are going to lynch town if we lynch Guille2015...
My conclusions - my reads so far.

Scumradar

High

Adam-12

/\

Piratemollie

|

Leviathan93

|

Prohawk

|

malakittens

|

code_x

|

Guille2015

|

Mantisdreamz

|

Me

\/

Low

[Malakittens]

I'd love to know how I'm currently reading Guile as null equals to reading him as scum. You do realize that Mantis is reading Guile as scummy and is on your low scum-radar. Personally I don't know how you are reading the no posters towards the bottom rather than null. -.-

Not to mention mantis IS voting Guile.
So explain your town mantis read.

[Adam-12]

I het charts.

[Adam-12]

Btw, I don't think its healthy or proper to hold someone that does a drive-by post like that as null...

[Malakittens]

Why?

Null means you have no read on them. If they don't post how can you actually have an accurate read on them?

[pirate mollie]

mantis shrimp guy is grooming you.

[leviathan93]

I like how i'm the one claiming here and i'm high on shrimp's scum list. =P

@shrimp there are a lot of reasons I think you are wrong, but i highly doubt you will listen to me with the way you seem to be playing since you are so sure of yourself it seems. no, thats not an excuse to get out of it. its the truth. plus I see it as filler and completely pointless to the game. a tactic i'd naturally see as scummy I might add. just throwing in pointless dialogue that will make the game harder to read. a scum tell if you must. I also would like to point out that you actually put yourself on your scale of whos scum and who is innocent. Are you claiming your innocence here? I read THAT as scummy as well even though I feel you to be innocent, but you seem to be acting scummier and scummier in my eyes. i don't understand. I also agree with Mala. How can you get a positive read on guille from the "little" he has posted compared to our scummy read of him and then claim that we are in the wrong. as mala said, you would get a null.

[Shrimp85]

To clear up the whole guile2015 and code_x position on my charts.

First of all, yes indeed I have a null read on Code_x, that's why he's close to the bottom of the list, because I find him nor scummy nor town. You can see him as the middlepoint of the scum-town radar.
Guile2015 however

did

post something, and to me the post was short, but on it's own not scummy.
My read on Guile2015 is going to be more town than my read on Code_x.
My read on Mantisdreamz is more town than Guile2015.

Code_x does not have to be in the list indeed, but if I were to put him in the list (like I did) , then to me the placement is logical.

Mantisdreamz voting Guile does not make Mantisdreamz scum really.
In my other game I also thought it was a great idea to lynch the ones that are quiet, but I realized that being a quiet player isn't a clear scum tell.

plus I see it as filler and completely pointless to the game. a tactic i'd naturally see as scummy I might add. just throwing in pointless dialogue that will make the game harder to read. a scum tell if you must.

What is scummy? The scum radar? It's the same thing as having a list of who you find scum and who you find town.

I also would like to point out that you actually put yourself on your scale of whos scum and who is innocent. Are you claiming your innocence here?

Seriously? Isn't it obvious? ofcourse I'm at the bottom of my list, everyone is at the bottom of their lists. I just decided to add myself in it, because I was adding Code_X as the null zone... might as well add it all in.
I'm the only one that I know in this game that is certainly town.

but you seem to be acting scummier and scummier in my eyes.

Just letting you know, I criticize a lot, If I find something that I think doesn't add up, I will point this out, wether I find the person town or not.
I expect the same from others. It's my gameplay, I don't like to get all personal about stuff.

How can you get a positive read on guille from the "little" he has posted compared to our scummy read of him and then claim that we are in the wrong. as mala said, you would get a null.

Because so far the only thing he posted is not something that makes me get suspicious about him. It's not a null read if you have something to base your read on.
Depending on what he does next, I can decide if I find him more scummy or less, but so far, all I've got on him is a positive read, however small that may be.
Besides, wasn't there a time limit in which you have to post in order to stay in the game?
If he stays quiet for too long, he'll automatically get replaced, and then we can get a better read on the slot.

[Malakittens]

Love how you dodged my questions, but answered Levi's. >.>

[ProHawk]

Shrimp! +1 for seeing backed as past tense in Post #140.

Re: Post #240 - Scum hunting is not for the faint of heart. I will play aggressively in order to get people to take a stand so we can get reads.

Here is what this should say...

How come everyone's got a scum read on guille? Just because he didn't post much?
Just because people don't post much, does not mean they are scum... heck, I almost lynched town before because he didn't post much.
It's not a solid reason to

vote

lynch, I think we should let their inactivity get them replaced if it continues

Votes are one of the most important keys to finding scum. Its easy to track and gives the most info. Votes are a good motivation to get your act together. Voting doesn't equal lynching. If he ends up getting replaced, great, but if not then the votes will help us get more information from him.

I like how i'm the one claiming here and i'm high on shrimp's scum list. =P

You should add early claiming to your notes on scummy behavior. Thx!

So on that note....

Guille

any last words before the blacksmith hammers your head in?

[Malakittens]

Are you guys fucking serious?

He posted once and you are all ready to hammer him? Either he's seriously town and everyone's about to quicklynch him or he's scum with his partner seriously bussing his ass. I'm not convinced of the latter.

Hold your damn horses and wait for codeX to post reads.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: prohawk

[Mantisdreamz]

Just a quick post
UNVOTE: guille

To prevent a hammer
I didn't realize i had put him at l-1

[Mantisdreamz]

mantis shrimp guy is grooming you.

That occurred to me, but not sure he still doesn't seem that scummy.
What do u find scummish exactly?

[pirate mollie]

going to get my reads in before someone is retarded enough to do what hawk boy says.

mantis - firm town. her pissiness with me reads as genuine. mantis as scum is generally non-confrontational and her getting up in my grill is pretty indicative that she is town. she is also going to get all weird on me cos of how many times I have screwed her as scum.

malacat - liked her reaction just now wrt hawk boy wanting to shut down discussion by ending the day. all of her posts look pretty town motivated if she is scum that was a sweet set up at the very beginning of the game.

levi - his post right after mine on this page looks followy but this could just be chalked up to being new.

code x - who is he has he even posted lol why is he laying low.

adam - unsure

guille - he is in my unsure pile too and I am not opposed to his lynch but we are not done with the day so people need to back off.

shrimp guy - is wearing eau de scum cologne but might actually not be scum. once played a game where I was an indie and all of town looked horrifyingly scummy and scum obliterated them unfortunately with mine and another indie's help. he looks like pondscum but I am not sure he IS scum he seems way too obvious. he is someone town will not want around in endgame and would be a good choice for a tracker or a view. I think his list is gold but probably for different reasons than what other people would think.

hawk boy - really thought he was town! but no. thinking he isn't.

[Shrimp85]

Love how you dodged my questions, but answered Levi's. >.>

Uhm.. I thought I answered all.
Which ones am I missing?

but if not then the votes will help us get more information from him.

So here I get the message that you want him to speak.

Guille any last words before the blacksmith hammers your head in?

And here I get the message that you want to hammer him.
I don't feel he's getting enough room/time to speak, what if he's gone from the computer for a couple days?

@MOD , How long does it take before a player gets prodded due to inactivity? , And how long before they get replaced?

[pirate mollie]

lol xost

mantis shrimp guy is grooming you.

That occurred to me, but not sure he still doesn't seem that scummy.
What do u find scummish exactly?

hedging his bets with his rvs vote-turned-serious vote on me, his list which is super wonky, wking of newbs only to turn on them later I dunno. could be retarded town I guess but if I had to place a bet at this point I would say he and hawk boy make a cute couple.

eta: his prod of code x looks good though.