Micro 75: Bureaucracy Mafia (Game Over)

[Shamrock]

Why are you, njoseph, voting Maestro?

[Shamrock]

or... were.

Yeah, the self vote is not sitting well with me either.

[Shamrock]

(Your old avatar was fine because the animation was subtle. Your current one is too busy and eye-catchy and draws my attention while I'm trying to make a post. I blocked it with AdBlock though.)

[Aj The Epic]

Actually, I believe that Njoseph just... hammered himself. That is a legal move, is it not? Well. I did NOT see that coming. Sorry guys, my bad if that's a legal move in this game.

[Maestro]

No, no, no. The correct response is that Town should never fucking self-vote ever, in any universe, at all.
He's Scum or he's terribad Town and either way he needs to be gone.

P-Edit: Wow...thanks.

[Shamrock]

No, he put himself at L-1. It's 4 to lynch.

[Maestro]

Doesn't matter. He self-voted.
I never said he self-hammered.

[njoseph]

We can have ourselves a njoseph lynch. Let's come together this November.

[Aj The Epic]

Oh, in my original post, I had confused him with M_A when I looked at Empking's vote count.

Njoseph, serious, what the hell?

[njoseph]

People have their chance to unvote for me; who's going to take it?

[Aj The Epic]

No one, I assume. You have removed yourself from being helpful at all. I can't imagine how you would help us from here on out after that move.

[njoseph]

:/ I could take my chance if no one else takes theirs:/

[Shamrock]

Doesn't matter. He self-voted.
I never said he self-hammered.

I was responding to Aj.

The only thing stopping me from voting njoseph right now is that I've actually seen him do this as town

[Aj The Epic]

So, that was legitimately your way to try to get votes off of you? How long have you played mafia?

Okay, completely ignoring Nj from here on out: What do we need to discuss? This day has gone on for another weak, so I'd assume we're not doing all that badly with our time and I wouldn't mind discussing somethings before we hammer out Nj. I feel that we'll find our last scum between M_A, Maestro *completely depends on Nj's flip* and Robert. With 6 left going into night phase, I feel one confirm town and one probtown here.

Sham, Maestro: Is there anything we need to know that could help us should one of you two die? That might be a good question. It'd be interesting to gauge if the paper changes as it passes from one person to the next.

Lastly, Robert/MA: Where the hell are you and what are your thoughts.

The only thing stopping me from voting njoseph right now is that I've actually seen him do this as town

No way... Someone actually does that? Maybe we need a mafia 101 class here. Rule number 1: Don't self vote. Rule number 2: The objective is to NOT die.

[njoseph]

BUT WHAT IF YOU LOSE THE WILL TO LIIIIIVE!

[Maestro]

Rule number 2: The objective is to NOT die.

Interesting...mine just says when the bad guys have been eliminated, or some such. [/inb4 avoiding Modkill]

njoseph is officially trolling, and I am not taking Shamrock's word on this. Give me links of this happening to this degree before, and I will blacklist Tazaro and his painful alt and be done with it. Otherwise, and possibly even then, I say we lynch him for our own sake.

@Aj: I've given my "last words", the only thing that I'd add is to ask why you think maverick_alpha's flip will in any way reveal what alignment I am. I can give the paper to somebody else, and when I do I imagine it will say the exact same thing it does now. They will draw their own conclusions from maverick_alpha's name being on the paper, as I've said, but also as I've said, I believe it means he might be Scum. Jake obviously did too. Now he's dead. I don't expect to be alive tomorrow at this point, but WIFOM etc.

[Aj The Epic]

@Aj: I've given my "last words", the only thing that I'd add is to ask why you think maverick_alpha's flip will in any way reveal what alignment I am. I can give the paper to somebody else, and when I do I imagine it will say the exact same thing it does now. They will draw their own conclusions from maverick_alpha's name being on the paper, as I've said, but also as I've said, I believe it means he might be Scum. Jake obviously did too. Now he's dead. I don't expect to be alive tomorrow at this point, but WIFOM etc.

Maestro *completely depends on Nj's flip*

No, I think that, would Nj flip scum, it verifies you as town.

Also, from both sides of the ball, the objective is not to die. Seeing as you die if you lose, and even if you survive as town and lose, you still die in endgame. So try not to die?

[njoseph]

Here:
[/url]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2569363[/url]

[njoseph]

Here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p2569363

[Shamrock]

Please answer this:

Maestro, why are you assuming that the paper (if revealed somehow) must necessarily say "maverick_alpha is scum" and not, say, "maverick_alpha is town"?

The game where njoseph selfvoted as town is ongoing, I'm afraid, but he was playing as Tazaro.

pedit: Okay, well, apparently there's

another

example of it that I didn't know about.

[njoseph]

Post #1030 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:24 am
ACTUAL POST in Reboot Mafia:


Tazaro wrote:I give you carte blanche to hammer me, TheLoneWolf. I think I'm better off dead and flipped, and I have to put my attention in my studies, which I'm distracted from.

Actually, I need to take at least a hiatus from mafia.
Vote: Tazaro

[njoseph]

NOW do you believe I am not doing this as scum who HOPES THEY DON'T DIE?

[njoseph]

I take my chance to unvote from njoseph

UNVOTE

[Maestro]

Jesus...alright fine. So he could be Town. Doesn't mean he is. Love the irony of the fact that Tazaro is linking it to us himself, while simultaneously seemingly accepting his own terrible play and consequently not doing a goddamned thing about it. Classy, dude, classy.

@Shamrock: I'm assuming it's the former and not the latter because the latter is more likely/accurate-until-proven-otherwise in most cases, and mainly because I doubt Empking would insert a special mechanic just to tell two people from the beginning that two people are Town.

@Aj: No, that's not correct. I have always felt, especially as Town, that the goal is to forward the Town's chances of winning. Sometimes that requires stepping down and allowing one's own lynch while giving good input before death so it's taken seriously post-flip; sometimes it means claiming early as a Town PR to get one or two Scum sure-fire lynched...conversely, as Scum, if I allow myself to be bussed when under light or heavy suspicion and my partner gains footing because of it (or vice versa WRT busser/bussee), I consider that beneficial to my win condition - which in neither case says anything surviving. (Unless, of course, you're a Survivor or a Jester or a Lover or a Serial Killer or something.)

P-Edit: No, I don't believe it. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around a player as terrible as you in this game...first time for everything though.
P-Edit: Cool, ok. Whatever. You are nothing to this game at this point.

[pirate mollie]

lol, I have self-voted on other sites a lot as scum and town but I see no benefit to do it as town in this format. I did find it beneficial as scum though in this format but that was a self-hammer and I quoted shakespeare.

aj survivability is a scum motivation not a town one you win the game as a team. vt usually rolls over cos your lynch will provide info to the rest of the team and you are keeping a pr from outing or getting lynched. I should qualify that with good vt.