In post 339, Adam-12 wrote:In post 288, Mantisdreamz wrote:
but you've said that it will create a false sense of security. But just because you say that, i don;'t see how it will create that. how is it much different from stating your scum reads and who you think could be certain scum?
The problem is we don't have flips and are uncertain of alignments. Using "pairing" to scum hunt without scum flips is a false scum hunting technique; its illusory. Scum hunting is based on scum tells by individuals, when the individual actually flips scum then its safe to hunt by pairings.
yes but it also gives you the chance to step back and see who has interacted with who. for example, i would say that you and shrimp are not scum together. someone may also say that mollie and i aren't scum together.
i'm not going to argue it though, i think i can see somewhat what you mean.. in that, it's best to just focus on one person at a time... and being that that can even be difficult in itself (to find one scum).. that it's even more wifom to look for 2 at once.
but still it's still good to look at who has kept a distance from one another.
Ya, we pretty much can't help having those thoughts run through our head but its best to keep them on a leash so we stay sane and grounded in actual scum tells. Its also an easy way for scum create cases because you only have to show simple connections or lack of them based on unknown alignments.
In post 344, Shrimp85 wrote:Now, from Pirate Mollie I amnotgetting any town read whatsoever.
From the PR claim, to the constant OMGUS.
And now her WIFOM's on how scum would act.
Nah, I think I see scum.
UNVOTE: Adam-12
VOTE: Pirate mollie
Adam-12 wrote:Now that I think about it, I think that RVS tell on Molly does show scum-conscious voting behavior and both Hawk & I were correct in noting it.
Pirate Mollie wrote:already knew I would most likely be lynched I have played enough games I can see where the herd is going
In post 345, Adam-12 wrote:Ok caught up.
So, Mantis has been moved to the town category. This means that most likely one of my town reads is incorrect. Of the town reads I have, I am not willing to consider Hawk, Levi, Mantis or Shrimp.
That leaves Mala & Mollie.
Mala -- At first I was really turned off by her summary post (#166) which really sounded off with her suspicion of Mollie & Vote for Hawk. Later however she explains the Hawk vote and unvotes which looks genuine to me because I can understand the lure of the strong meta pull for Hawk. She didn't seem to see how Guille was active lurking even though he posted elsewhere on this site without posting in this game and when he did finally make his first post, it was apparent that he clearly skimmed. She then goes over the top defending Guille against pro-town pressuring even to the point of saying she likes to lurk as town and going in-your-face yelling about it even when he only had one vote on him. I find this behavior bizarre but am hard pressed to believe that (or even explain how) she would do this as scum; the only explanation I have is that she has some kind of affinity with Guille having played with him before and being in a game he is modding and so for her it became personal and beyond the scope of this particular game. She is queried by Mantis about her odd recent postings and apparent lack of scum hunting and replies that she was reaction testing; ultimately I think I buy this because this game is showing itself difficult to figure out and I think she is experiencing some of the same frustration that I have been. Her vote for me for stopping discussion is just bad but I have a set of questions set out for her which should help me understand it better. Ultimately I think its just a residue of her defense of Guille which I actively opposed her on. So with everything taken into account, I am finding it hard to paint a scum picture with Mala.
Mollie -- Upon my re-examination of Mollie I did come across something I missed earlier but stands out to me now. Across many of her posts she seems preoccupied with being lynched and declaring that she is not scum. These declarations have also been accompanied by AtE which I found odd; such as, "When I flip re-examine this" and "I am looking to be the next lynch, I can see things going that way" and "Let me post these reads before people follow Hawk in lynching me". Her vote for Hawk had no explanation. She also directed the tracker/watcher in post #247. She also tends to describe her behavior as scum to show herself as town (self meta); such as, "I WoT as scum" and others. What I liked about Mollie was her level head, strong demeanor & mafia skills and these traits created a town profile in my mind that sort of hid these other subtle signs of scum-conscious behavior. The easy scum tells are usually the ones that result in a D1 lynch of a townie. I am always in favor of the more subtle tells because they're the ones that tend to catch scum. I think a vote here is in order.
Regarding Guille, I expect him to honor his expressed intention to post regularly with substantial content and would ask that he give a summary of the major events of the day (Mala's RVS Levi case, Blacksmith Gate, Mollie-Mantis Meta, Myself vs. Shrimp, Hawk vs. Mollie and anything else of note that he finds). I am not concerned very much about his case against me as every one of my questions have been designed to hunt scum and with substantiation of such, the discussion should move elsewhere.
Unvote, Vote Mollie
In post 345, Adam-12 wrote:Regarding Guille, I expect him to honor his expressed intention to post regularly with substantial content and would ask that he give a summary of the major events of the day (Mala's RVS Levi case, Blacksmith Gate, Mollie-Mantis Meta, Myself vs. Shrimp, Hawk vs. Mollie and anything else of note that he finds).
Pirate Mollie wrote:shrimp guy - retarded. if town he should simply stop posting if scum well bang on job I guess.
pirate mollie wrote:guille - is going wtf. non-committal, defensiveness, safe play.
pirate mollie wrote:malacat - her reactions look good IMO. if she is scum she has mastered the art of navigation flow. she has offered up that she will find scum on d2 and the complete scum team by d3. scum don't usually offer this up andI say hold her to it, if not lynch her.
stop posting
In post 363, Shrimp85 wrote:pirate mollie wrote:guille - is going wtf. non-committal, defensiveness, safe play.
You act as if safe play is a bad thing... You do realize that as town you also have to play it a bit safe in order to not get yourself mislynched right?
Besides, how is he playing it safe? It seems to me that the word you're really looking for is responsible.
I agree this is a very bold thing to say of Malakittens... It's one thing to make a promise that has no certainty that it can be kept, but it's another thing to even think about demanding her to keep up to it.
Don't pretend we all don't know it's a stupid claim.
And that on it's own is not enough to lynch her in my opinion.
By the way, this:
"her reactions look good IMO. if she is scum she has mastered the art of navigation flow."
Seems like you are leaning toward a town read, but the other part of the post hints at lynching... confusing really.
By the way, Guille2015...
I really like your posts, very easy to read, very clear, and most important, it all makes sense.
Just your posting style alone is something I can learn from.
In post 364, pirate mollie wrote:
thinking on all of this mantis your votes and foses look truly terrible.
In post 365, Adam-12 wrote:Ok, I think I have misunderstood the term "groom" and I suspect it comes from another site. I thought it meant setting someone up for later lynch but I think what it really means is "buddying"??
In post 366, Adam-12 wrote:In post 364, pirate mollie wrote:
thinking on all of this mantis your votes and foses look truly terrible.
I'm finding her to be quite thorough and genuinely active, is this wrong?
In post 369, pirate mollie wrote:In post 366, Adam-12 wrote:In post 364, pirate mollie wrote:
thinking on all of this mantis your votes and foses look truly terrible.
I'm finding her to be quite thorough and genuinely active, is this wrong?
well one can be thorough and active and that have nothing to do with one's alignment. her reactions look very genuine I disagree with her foses and votes. her fos on levi looks good to me though cos it did look like he kind of knew how
also why are you talking to me like I am town aren't I the evil scum lord or something like that.
In post 370, Adam-12 wrote:What does "set up for a endgame or midgame nk flip" mean?
In post 368, pirate mollie wrote:In post 365, Adam-12 wrote:Ok, I think I have misunderstood the term "groom" and I suspect it comes from another site. I thought it meant setting someone up for later lynch but I think what it really means is "buddying"??
it is a type of buddying I guess. when I think of "buddying" I usually use the word "cosying", grooming is a sweet set up for endgame or a midgame nk flip. cosying supports reads while grooming supports character does this make sense.
