Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Adam-12]

@Bork: I outline my initial reads in my summary post; apparently you didn't read it.

Since then those reads have remained true as his posts continued. He just thinks like I do and plays like I wish I could. I have agreed with every aspect of his play; I know that sounds over the top but its true.

Vote Count

Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-3): Shrimp85, Guile
Guile (L-2): ProHawk, Pirate Mollie, Mantisdreamz
ProHawk(L-4): borkjerfkin
borkjerfkin (L-4): Adam-12

Not Voting: leviathan93

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[pirate mollie]

i liked pro hawk's vote switch to guille.

i had levi as town at the beginning for a reason that i have no recollection of right now. <- i bet someone's going to try to use that sentence against me.

levi does not seem that town to me right now. need more participation from him.

You didn't really answer me. I don't really care why you initially had him as town, I care more why you first say 1) Levi and Hawk makes a likely team and afterword 2) Prohawk looks more town now. This looks like a backhanded way to switch your read on Levi without a reason.

@Mollie: Come on. My reading all the cases D1 is neither going to help me find scum (It's hard to tell the difference between confirmation bias and fabrication without flips) nor is going to help you see that I'm town (I am essentially forced to cherry pick what to post about and that's easily manipulable as scum). Post-flip, that's a different story. Do you actually think I should do what Adam's asking me to do?

Lynch prohawk. His switch onto Guille was the opposite of good.

don't "com on mollie" me mr. borkybork I happen to think you are a pretty good town player certainly better than the limp responses you have been giving. hawk boy's vote switch to guille did look good cos he was actually following through with what he said about scum tending to hide and try to blend in and he was trying to draw guille out. he was being very consistent with that vote switch. I think he knows that I am town but will go with lynching a player who other players clearly have a problem with rather than have a no-lynch.

[Adam-12]

I'm saying that the broader the subject matter I'm being asked to comment on (Like the whole freaking game), the less possible it is to be concise without cherry picking and

not giving anyone a good insight into my overall thought process

.

ORLY?

[ProHawk]

"joke's on them I was only faking being

retarded

" because that's pretty much what you're doing here. His jump off Mollie in #449 is

awful

And the post you quoted is

awful.

Lynch prohawk.

His switch onto Guille was the

opposite of good.

You're not supposed to buy it. You're supposed to

die

.

This makes up about a good 50% of your content. I am the only one here that gets the honor of your demeaning tone. It is clear that 1) my play thus far has not been awful, and 2) that you have some sort of death wish on my head regardless of my alignment.

If I didn't believe that you are town, I would be all over your for your sub-par play. You can either drop the Village Idiot act, or get to helping us find scum. Read the whole thread yet? Your reads are way off due to your lack of commitment.

[pirate mollie]

Ya he did have a good point there. I'm glad you guys are following the rules even on Skype.

we would never break a game that way. I am visiting her in febuary that is why I want to get her on skype but as a general rule we do not talk while we are in games together so that it doesn't influence the game we are in but this is important. I somewhat slightly worried that she failed to mention that I am visiting her and we are road tripping to nova scotia but scum mantis is usually not this noisy so I am sticking with my town read.

[Adam-12]

Why does this "reading the game and giving substantive input is bad for the town" sound like a bunch of happy horse crap to me?

[pirate mollie]

hawk boy why do you have borky as town? I don't.

[ProHawk]

2) What info has he divined from it so far?

You're joking right? Can someone please tell me this is a joke? Go read Guille's posts and tell me what info Guille has given anyone since my vote switch. All I got was Guille saying basically "Good luck with that" and then a vote post on Mollie.

[ProHawk]

Mollie, has to do with our differing opinions on scum bumping against town.

[Mantisdreamz]

ProHawk: Does me being quiet = scummy? You played before with me and you know exactly what I'm doing.

I am disappointed in this. Nuff Said. Please re-read #378. Quiet

equal

scummy. Quiet wasn't the key word, Mollie was.

Mollie! You almost took my advice, but what I

really

like is how you bait Adam into tunneling you with this AtE "you think im scum but treat me like town" BS, and then accuse him of being sticky. Its quite comical indeed. Your AtE attacks and cries are like a spotlight in my face, can't see much of your content around the blinding light. Dial it back a notch or two. You are looking like a promising lynch today, but I did find one gem in all of the scummy fluff.

guille

got super cranky

and looks like he is

playing it safe

cos why has he not followed his "gut bad pizza read" read and just vote me already cos there is the possibility of

knowing how I will flip

that's why. that is what I mean by playing it safe.

ALL of his posts (few I might add) are like this. What is the deal with these fence sitters this game? Guille, you are taking your sweet time which just may be how you play, but its lookin bad to me. I would much rather see you take time to compile a complete post, instead of leaving us with bits and pieces and have to wait a whole day to get part B.

Sorry Mollie, its time for a new angle.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guille

Anyone else notice how he managed to make it all the way to L-1, with my voicings of impending doom causing the not so innocent to lash out in anger and he

fails to even mention

anything about it?

Well, there is more where scum Guille is concerned, lets see if anyone else can find the clues...

Guille its time for some real fire beneath your wings. Wagon Ho!

yea, it is curious that he didn't really mention it.

[borkjerfkin]

don't "com on mollie" me mr. borkybork I happen to think you are a pretty good town player certainly better than the limp responses you have been giving. hawk boy's vote switch to guille did look good cos he was actually following through with what he said about scum tending to hide and try to blend in and he was trying to draw guille out. he was being very consistent with that vote switch. I think he knows that I am town but will go with lynching a player who other players clearly have a problem with rather than have a no-lynch.

I'm curious what you think the town response for Guille would be at this point. ProHawk knows you're town? Seriously?

@prohawk -- Who should I be voting? Mollie or Guille?

@Adam -- You basically went "read the whole thread and comment on [7 vague talking points]". No direction. I don't consider that pro-town. I'm pretty much done with that point.

[borkjerfkin]

@Prohawk -- what do you think of Guille's case on Mollie, then?

[Mantisdreamz]

mantis why are you enabling jerome on the zombie board there is a reason none of us are on it and teeth was a dummy I was going to die anyway that's how a suicide bomber works you know if you would get on skype I wouldn't have to be telling you this stuff in a game thread, lol.

Lol.

see skype comment from one of my previous posts tonight.

jerome really tries though. he thinks he's doing good

[ProHawk]

You need to vote whomever you are working on getting a real read from. Mollie and Guille are my top two picks at the moment. Levi needs to get in here and make some noise or I don't condone him living to LYLO even if he is town.

[Adam-12]

Levi needs to get in here and make some noise or I don't condone him living to LYLO even if he is town.

You read my mind again.

[borkjerfkin]

You need to vote whomever you are working on getting a real read from.

This is where we are failing to communicate, because that seems backward to me. I'm having trouble figuring out why that if you think you had scum nailed in Mollie that you'd give up on that and switch. The wagon's even starting to fall apart.

[borkjerfkin]

@Mantis -- I still don't understand the scum read on Levi.

[ProHawk]

@Prohawk -- what do you think of Guille's case on Mollie, then?

His last post pretty closely mirrors my own sentiments regarding Mollie. However it greatly lowers the probability of Mollie being scum with Guille. A Guille scum flip would essentially clear Mollie as well as a Mollie scum flip would essentially clear Guille.

Again, hunting

equal

tunneling. Just so we are clear, my read on Mollie is still scummy, but we aren't at critical lynching point yet. Right now we are voting to apply pressure and give us some reads, or are you suggesting the day is done and we should move on?

[pirate mollie]

@Bork: I outline my initial reads in my summary post; apparently you didn't read it.

Since then those reads have remained true as his posts continued. He just thinks like I do and plays like I wish I could. I have agreed with every aspect of his play; I know that sounds over the top but its true.

adam plz set aside your dislike of me and just listen to what I have to say. scum can make really good posts and look very town in fact more often than not I have found that sometimes the towniest looking players are actually scum. scum have more of a motivation to survive so they are more careful with their posts. that is what hawk boy means when he says scum try to hide and blend in. putting someone in your town pile

is

a good way to find town but if town after town are getting lynched you might have to do a hard reset on who you have in your town pile.

the only thing that worries me about hawk boy is that he apologised to me (scum guilt <------ I actually got busted for this in an early scum game once and I have seen other scum do it too, it is an aTe that you keep clamouring about) and that he is steering and that he is witholding a town read on me. I see borky's point it isn't out of the blue but borky looks worse cos he has not actually read the entire thread but is saying hawk boy is sure scum. and he very well might be but I am wiling to give him another day unless I can be convinced otherwise. if I borky flips town and I get lynched or night killed you will need to do a hard reset. I think you are enamoured with hawk boy's style pretty plz don't let that cloud judgment the entire game.

[pirate mollie]

don't "com on mollie" me mr. borkybork I happen to think you are a pretty good town player certainly better than the limp responses you have been giving. hawk boy's vote switch to guille did look good cos he was actually following through with what he said about scum tending to hide and try to blend in and he was trying to draw guille out. he was being very consistent with that vote switch. I think he knows that I am town but will go with lynching a player who other players clearly have a problem with rather than have a no-lynch.

I'm curious what you think the town response for Guille would be at this point. ProHawk knows you're town? Seriously?

@prohawk -- Who should I be voting? Mollie or Guille?

@Adam -- You basically went "read the whole thread and comment on [7 vague talking points]". No direction. I don't consider that pro-town. I'm pretty much done with that point.

yeah well a bunch of cross posts cos apparently he is claiming he still finds me scummy! which contradicts what he said about what scum typically do which is to hide and blend in which I am definitely not doing.

[borkjerfkin]

That's a huge generalization anyway. It's an acceptable meta tell if someone tends to post way more or less as scum but it doesn't work as an across the board tell.

Why's not reading the thread scummy?

[ProHawk]

Two things Mollie ~

My apologies were sarcastic, and not sincere, which

guilt

.
We have not given you a chance to hide and blend in, you were in the spotlight since we first started.

[Mantisdreamz]

2) What info has he divined from it so far?

You're joking right? Can someone please tell me this is a joke? Go read Guille's posts and tell me what info Guille has given anyone since my vote switch. All I got was Guille saying basically "Good luck with that" and then a vote post on Mollie.

sorry bork that line is kind of funny for some reason.

..

Adam, levi or guille should be lynched this day.

^this is something i said earlier. oh i guess Shrimp didn't misrepresent it.

either way, I was thinking levi or guille. but thinking on it now, these 2 have been low posters and i doubt that both of the low posters are scum. that's way to easy to look at it that way. so i'd like to take back this comment.

[Adam-12]

@Mollie: I wasn't planning on giving him a "free game pass" but his D1 actions are very pro-town so far.

I thought your conversation about hiding/blending in vs. bumping against the tide revolved more about independent thought vs. going with the group; I don't see how it relates to putting people in my town pile?

I will let Hawk respond to the points that specifically apply to him.

[pirate mollie]

@Prohawk -- what do you think of Guille's case on Mollie, then?

His last post pretty closely mirrors my own sentiments regarding Mollie. However it greatly lowers the probability of Mollie being scum with Guille. A Guille scum flip would essentially clear Mollie as well as a Mollie scum flip would essentially clear Guille.

Again, hunting

equal

tunneling. Just so we are clear, my read on Mollie is still scummy, but we aren't at critical lynching point yet. Right now we are voting to apply pressure and give us some reads, or are you suggesting the day is done and we should move on?

you never answered my question...do you think it is typical for scum to go back and read a previous game or do you think that it is more typical for scum to come in and not read the thread and plop a vote down?
also how are you marrying the thought that scum "hide and blend in" when that is not what I am doing?