In post 8685, Maruchan wrote:think i'm going to take a little bit of everything thats been said and put it into play.
1. Making use of GroupManager and Permissions to create an Admin-Class with pre-approved Admin Commands (that will of course be flexible of the admins find they don't have access to a command that is necessary to do admin-liek duties) that negates the need for OPs. This is a couple-hour-long process I will be doing sometime this weekend. This is what class I will make myself whilst removing my OP-age, and, since i said I would not de-op izak or xalxe, I will suggest to that all three of the current OPs be changed to but not force them to. It will have many of the same functions, such as access to the /whitelist /gamemode, /fly/ and /tppos etc commands but will not have access to things like /enchant /give /time /toggledownfall (difference between /give and /gm are /give works with NEI and TMI while /gm doesn't.), and a shitton more (liek i said couple-hour-long-process determining what is needed). This addresses Point number 1 Claus makes.
2. I will personally make use of a QT to log all actions of commands I make and suggest to xaxle and izak to also utilize this quick topic just so we can be held accountable. A difference however between my original idea and this, is I will post the server.log censored to just have anything I do (not say, all chat will be censored out as i understand some things are said either in reference to in-game secrets or in reference to gossip amongst the members that is not a good idea for EVERYONE to see) weekly to the QT as well, AND I will make the QT 100% public, meaning the entire server has the ability to monitor my actions should they so chose, rather than a select 1 or two. I think this negates Claus's fear in his Point #5, whilst still makes the idea a good idea. Most Mods Dens and Admin Dens on forums have similar logs where they care required to document their actions to be held accountable by other mods/admins, I feel that it is a good idea, and just making it public is more of something I feel I need to do.
Once again, I would suggest to the other admins to do the same, but i am not requiring it, I just think its a good idea to do so myself.
Now since I will be editing the logs, there might be accusations of editing out rule-infringing, and at this point is where we need to decide how to handle this, do we want to make the server.log in its entirety visible (that means whispers, private conversations, etc are all 100% public which i don't personally want), chose someone who you all trust to have access to the server.logs to be asked on request to find discrepancies in editing, or trust the ops to not edit out rule infringement and to hold each other to it (I think the third option is perfectly viable, i know xalxe has some animosity with me and so would likely hold me accountable for editing out anything, and izak may or may not after the past 24 hours, I do not know, and I am perfectly willing to hold both of them accountable as well, since i think none of us would do that)
3. Claus and MME will stay OPs and not have an y restrictions put on them on what they can and can not due with the commands they then have access to other than the obvious don't blow up the server, because both have proven trustable and no matter what command they should use, have proven they have good reason to use it, so I could care less how much godmoding they give themselves with OPage, because i know they don't aboose. Should UA ever return to us, he would fall into this as well as the great grandfather of all grandfathering clauses.
4. To address Claus's point #2, all ADMIN's (since i am suggesting de-opage ill call us admins now rather than OPs) will retain access to the server console via the control panel, meaning they all have the ability to console-command type "op THEIRNAME" to do this op magic, so there is always the availability of OP magic should it be needed, but there is never at any one point an actual OP on the server.
5. To address Claus's #3 I think as a community we need to establish what these rules for the admins and the players BOTH are, what are the admins, by being admins, allowed to do moreso than the players? Anything? Nothing? Everything? Some of you have already expressed vague opinions on this, so we need to come to a consensus, as well as establish what rules there are player-wide. Unlike Claus, I don't feel comfortable beign the god-figure and just going my word is law, i'd prefer a joint effort of everyone to decide this, so think about it and think hard.
TL;DR: Fucking read it. It's important
