Mini 1390: Game Over

[TheTrollie]

even if we assume all are telling the truth, i think its not too town heavy

they are NOT masons, they are neighbors. if one of them is scum id argue that role becomes as equally likely to be pro-scum as pro-town if not more likely. Also, there is no reason to believe that Scum do not have a PR or two.

finally, a vig, a bodyguard and a 1-shot bp is really not that unreasonable.

[Thor665]

Do we have Masons or Neighbors - my understanding was Neighbors which is drastically different.

Neighbors+limited BP+Bodyguard+Vig is hardly a overpowered town even if all the scum team have is one roleblocker and maybe a neighbor.

But tell me more about why this is overpowered.

[_Sherlock_]

Cool. VOTE: Kinetic

Kinetic thinks Idiot and Jacob are Masons. If he flips scum, they're both pretty much confirmed town.

I'll worry about the PR stuff tomorrow.

[TheTrollie]

and if he flips town? I could say a lot about what i'd learn from a lot of people flipping scum.

[_Sherlock_]

If he flips town, that's another person off my suspect pool.

[Thor665]

@Slandaar - why claim 1 shot? Why not just claim BP?

[Kinetic]

masons/neighbors are the same thing in my book. -.-;

[Kinetic]

even if we assume all are telling the truth, i think its not too town heavy

they are NOT masons, they are neighbors. if one of them is scum id argue that role becomes as equally likely to be pro-scum as pro-town if not more likely. Also, there is no reason to believe that Scum do not have a PR or two.

finally, a vig, a bodyguard and a 1-shot bp is really not that unreasonable.

If that's all there is out there, sure. Hence why a mass claim would now be beneficial to town, because frankly I doubt that is what the town received as power -.-; But at the same time, I don't believe that all those claims are real. Someone is lying and frankly Thor is the one I believe is lying.

[Thor665]

masons/neighbors are the same thing in my book. -.-;

You don't see those as rather different when discussing the 'balance' of a game to the point you want to lynch a PR?

[TheTrollie]

I might be down to massclaim. At this point i think a PR claim is a counterclaim. I don't think things are unbalanced right now but if we get 2 more pr claims those are functional counterclaims

[nhammen]

Vote Count 2.14

Kinetic (4): toxictaipan, Thor665, Konowa, _Sherlock_
Slandaar (3): JacobSavage, Idiotking, TheTrollie
Thor665 (3): Slandaar, Kinetic, kwll

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is tentatively in

(expired on 2012-12-08 23:00:00)

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: thor
this is the best lynch today

[Kinetic]

masons/neighbors are the same thing in my book. -.-;

You don't see those as rather different when discussing the 'balance' of a game to the point you want to lynch a PR?

No, as in, the names are interchangeable. I know some people think masons are somehow confirmed and neighbors aren't, but I've played enough games where there is no difference between the two roles.

[TheTrollie]

uhh...no?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Masons

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

[nhammen]

• Single Faction: All members of the group are mod-confirmed to belong to the same faction.
  
• Neighborhood: Members of the group may belong to any faction.

If a group is named Masons, that group would have the Single Faction property. If a group is named Neighborhood, that group would have the Neighborhood property. This way I stay in accordance with Normal guidelines.

[kwll]

so we may have scum hiding as neighbors

[Kinetic]

uhh...no?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Masons

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

• Single Faction: All members of the group are mod-confirmed to belong to the same faction.
  
• Neighborhood: Members of the group may belong to any faction.

If a group is named Masons, that group would have the Single Faction property. If a group is named Neighborhood, that group would have the Neighborhood property. This way I stay in accordance with Normal guidelines.

Well, that is just my confusion then. I don't normally play normal games.

[JacobSavage]

With the deadline 3 hours away, A mass claim is all but impossible (although there is only 4 left to claim...) Anyway, I think that its going to have to be one of Thor / Kinetic and I don't want to lynch Thor so
VOTE: (mv^2)/2

Also Thor if you don't protect Trollie tonight, so help me God.

[TheTrollie]

jacob, why the change? i thought you were on the thor wagon before?

[Idiotking]

Well, we really don't have a lot of time, so

Vote Kinetic

[kwll]

With the deadline 3 hours away, A mass claim is all but impossible (although there is only 4 left to claim...) Anyway, I think that its going to have to be one of Thor / Kinetic and I don't want to lynch Thor so
VOTE: (mv^2)/2

Also Thor if you don't protect Trollie tonight, so help me God.

who is this vote for?

[JacobSavage]

The change comes about because of the claim, I cant imagine that 1. he'll survive to the morning. 2. if he does and you don't then we lynch him. 3. you both survive and yay everyone's happy

its for kinetic

[JacobSavage]

Well that was the hammer Me thinks

[kwll]

just did a quick count on the votes....I believe that is 6. Now that we are in twlight who should we have vigged if anyone at all?

[JacobSavage]

I believe so. so kwell what do you think of the day?