Micro 75: Bureaucracy Mafia (Game Over)

[qwints]

Well done AJ if you're goading me into this. I think AJ's willing to bus his partner here.

UNVOTE: Aj The Epic

VOTE: Robert2424

[Empking]

Vote Count 30

Robert2424 (3) - pirate mollie, Aj The Epic, qwints

Not Voting: Shamrock,Robert2424

[Empking]

Robert2424 has been forced to leave as the company feels that his claim of "2424" could allow the company to come under investigation for breaking working hours legistation. We regret this termination occured before he was able to complete his work.

Robert2424 was lynched. He was a Cost-Cutter. Night begins now.

[Empking]

"This is a sham! A sham, I say! That's no moon rock, that's just ordinary chalk. It's a Shamrock!" Announces someone.
"That's not him, that's just where he died." Points out someone else.
"Oh." Exclaims the first person.

Shamrock was killed. He was Cafeteria Staff. Day begins now.

[qwints]

Either of you know what a cafeteria worker is? Me neither.

Color codered lynches. Not much help, but worth looking at. My initial instinct is that AJ is the remaining scum because of the paper, but I can't find any support from the final vote counts.

Day 1 Lynch

Breakfast (5) -

maverick_alpha

, Shamrock, Aj The Epic,

njoseph

,

Maestro

Qwints
maverick_alpha (1) - pirate mollie,
Aj the epic (1) -

Jake from State Farm

Robert2424 (1) -

Breakfast

Not voting:

Robert2424

,

Day 2 Lynch

maverick_alpha (5) -

Maestro

,

Nachomomma8

,

Robert2424

, pirate mollie, Shamrock [didn't count]
Nachomomma8 (2) - Aj The Epic,

maverick_alpha

Robert2424 (1) - Shamrock

Not voting:

Vote Count 30

Robert2424

(3) - pirate mollie, Aj The Epic, qwints

Not Voting: Shamrock,Robert2424

[qwints]

Robert's interactions towards remaining players.

AJ:
Random Vote [38]
hard time getting a read, but keep an eye on him [248]
can't get a read on him [252]
Attacks breakfast for tunneling AJ [291]
random comment to AJ [347]
Asks AJ a question [442]

Pirate Mollie:
D1 suspion list [153]
Mollie has fallen behind in scum race [248]
Haven't got much off her posts, watch closely [252]
Asks Molllie a question [280]
Attacks Mollie for passing the paper, asks her to provide a reason for voting [705]

Maestro/qwints:
Unsure if his scumread on maestro is just due to playstyle [490]
Believes maestro's claim of what paper says [503]
If Maverick is innocent, Maestro is scum then [622]*
Maestro's slot is scum regardless of what qwints does [697]
Scolds me [716, 719]

I think 622 clears me so I'll quote it here:

Since now I'm being pressured to vote. I guess I could give Maestro a chance and side with NJ, or pursue Maestro. Not taking a stand is going to hurt the town, so.....

Vote maverick

he hasn't contributed much in any direction and mainly inactive. He is on that paper, so we'll know what the papers mean with this unfortionitly. I still unsure, but If Maverick is innocent, NJ and Maestro are scum then. Unless People commit to the Maestro vote, my vote is going to wasted elsewhere, even though I still suspect him. That would put Maverick a L-1 then I believe?

Robert is clearly setting up a mislynch chain. He knows Maverick will flip town and is trying to set up a mislynch of me and njoseph/nacho. The senior bureaucrat claim forces the nacho nk which means I'm the only natural target for him yesterday.

I also think that the lack of interaction from Robert to AJ compared to him talking to me and mollie makes AJ scum.

[qwints]

Spoiler: AJ's mentions of Robert

I can't say I know anyone well enough (other than Robert) to make any sort of educated guess.

[@ Jake] first denoting that Robert didn't mention you were at L-1, and second telling the mod that Maestro had in fact unvoted for you. Now, while the second was an honest mistake and I'm not sure what you'd justify the first as, there really isn't (or shouldn't) be any reason to worry.

I think the whole team is definitely in [Robert2424, Aj The Epic, Breakfast,

one other person

]

So, in the hope that we get off to another topic:

If you wish to accuse me as such, reasoning very important. First off, for Robert having posted... 3 times? That's rather hard to see how you could find any connection to me in this game. As stated before, he is one of my acquaintances from the other site I'm on. And thus, having joined a day apart, we've both just started here and are about the same amount into a new environment. This is all forces that are at work outside the game.

...Breakfast has tunneled like crazy, so it's hard to see where he stands, other than against me. I don't like the single-mindedness. Individually, he's probably the most scummy, followed by Robert. They could be a team, neither has made much effort to lynch off the other.

...even if I voted for Robert, it is obviously apparent he wouldn't be lynched today, as M_A seems to have a higher priority on the town's lynch off...

Robert lurking isn't new, either.

I feel that we'll find our last scum between M_A, Maestro *completely depends on Nj's flip* and Robert. With 6 left going into night phase, I feel one confirm town and one probtown here.

Lastly, Robert/MA: Where the hell are you and what are your thoughts.

[Maestro/Qwints] and Robert are the remaining scum. For some reason, no matter how we go, we can never seem to have anyone decide to vote Robert.

First off, I'll start with Robert because you probably will not enjoy my second part and move to reply before you actually go through and read my full post. Robert has not posted ANYTHING of value. He's either consistently gone after the easiest target or Shamrock, someone who I have marked as pro-town. Oh, and guess who he is currently voting for: M_A. Like you, through, he didn't ever give us a good, solid read on who he thought was scum. Well, actually, you did this in a different way, and I'll explain that later. Robert, in a game with over 670 posts, has 31, or 4.5% of the total content. Not to mention many of his posts are one or two sentences.

Look at the facts, people: Robert AND [Maestro/qwints] both voting for Breakfast with little reason, Robert AND [Maestro/qwints] both voting for M_A for little reason. Can anyone dispute that this is probably our scum team? Neither Robert or [maestro/qwints] have shown on the paper, neither of you have played a fantastically town game, neither of you have given us solid reads other than M_A on which to categorize you. And you'd lynch off the paper just to find the last two votes, lining up the votes for you. Here you go, your theory comes when you could put a lylo out and force the issue. Tonight, a mislynch, a kill. Tomorrow, I'd be left. You'd force a lynch on the simple logic that ONE HAS TO BE SCUM. And you'd plan to win on that? Look, I've played this game for a pretty long time and been in a lot of games, but that would literally be one of the most awful reasons to ever vote in lylo. And you're ENCOURAGING IT.

This cannot happen. We'll lose too easily off of such a lynch pattern as what you describe, and I hope that I'm not the only one seeing this.

I do not feel that any lynch but one on Quadz/Maestro or Robert is acceptable today. From my perspective, I'm town and PM and Sham are pretty much confirmed. This leaves those two. Methinks Rob is bussing his partner for town points at this point.

I also feel like someone tried to set me up here, as if killing Nachomomma8 would somehow prove me scum. If he had gotten the paper, my innocence would've been verified, so an interesting choice of a kill. I hate replacements because now we have to deal with a very different set of thoughts and questions that we wanted to ask on motives can no longer apply. This still doesn't change my opinion, I feel that yesterday's lynch spoke for itself: Robert and Maestro, same person, low reasoning. Breakfast: Robert and Maestro, same person, little reasoning. Am willing to accept either one being lynched today, as they are the only ones left.

Sham/PM, thoughts? Also, PM, interesting choice to send it to Robert... While I understand the reasoning behind not giving it to Nacho, I highly doubt that this helps us giving it to someone who is most likely scum.

I love it. At least you're somewhat consistent with Maestro's line of thought. Qwints, you don't understand: There is only one logical scenario left: you and Robert. I'd love to see how you're going to frame me as scum by this paper and try to win the game that way, but it's over. You two are the last scum. Now, we do need to get Sham back here. We'll need him to lynch off Robert and/or Qwints.

But go ahead, post an argument. In a way, I feel bad for you, you kinda took over a role that you can't win from since it's basically been compromised as scum.

vote:Robert

One scum down. Qwints is all that remains. Shamrock either needs to be replaced or needs to post, in my eyes. His presence is necessary.

Or is Qwints scum because everything else I've said yesterday so far has turned out true? Hesitant to help lynch Robert, someone who's kinda been seen as scum all day? I understand, if only you could get a mislynch today, you'd win... Not happening.

If AJ is scum, he did a much better job than Robert. The most important piece of evidence for me is his "sniped post" (676) where he commits to a [Maestro/qwints] and robert scum team an hour after pirate mollie hammered M_A. If that posts intent gets followed, both are dead prior to Lylo and AJ's left hanging. Of course, since it happened after the hammer, it was a plan that results in a win for AJ if he's scum. In addition, despite repeatedly attacking Robert - AJ never voted him until yesterday and only after I voted AJ.

[qwints]

Spoiler: Pirate Mollie's mentions of Robert

I could easily go with robert cos I think he looked like pondscum

@Shamrock/Jake: your votes are good. I want your thoughts:

AJ/Robert Scumteam possible or no?

P-Edit @Shamrock: ^ Read above.
I think the whole team is definitely in [Robert2424, Aj The Epic, Breakfast,

one other person

]

[@robert]what else do you want to hear from me about that you did not see in the nearly 30 posts that I have already posted? try this: ask me a question

I feel conversion is down along with activity, for now even though I still suspect Jake, its not going anywhere at the same time.

Unvote

@Pirate Mollie,
how do u feel on Njoseph? I know you feel that Breakfast could be scum but Nj a guy I just have ??? marks on.

njoseph entered the game pretty strongly and looked townish but it seems like he is skimming the thread cos he has missed a couple of posts. he is in my unsure pile. I would like to get him sorted but will have to do a reread of the thread in order to do that. I like looking at posts in iso but I like looking at things in context even better and that takes time. I will be doing this probably this evening.

also fos aj and robert for not voting.

I got a "this is a crappy case that he actually believes" impression the first time I read [Robert's] posts.

But then I read them again and his case is super super forced like he's scared to shift his reads/reasoning.

(I

would

still lynch Robert, though.)

maestro I will get to you on my reasons for a robert lynch. I will have to look at my notes and figure out what I was thinking (and no, note taking is not a scum tell for me I take notes all of the time).

also wondering if robert has played here before with the random caps thing. who does that. but that is super weak site meta that I can't really support except that I have only seen it here.

he really isn't scum hunting for the most part, although maverick is doing so even less.

except that you [AJ] are cross tunneling and not weighing in on a possible robert lynch what is up with that. weighing in as in if you think shamrock made a good case then you should be voting for robert right now instead of obsessing about his vote on you.

@ shamrock

cos maverick is skating and his sticky vote on breakfast looks terrible. but I also agree wrt robert.

it's like you are not even reading the game.

VOTE: robert

Qwints, reread everything, I understand you just came into the game, but you seem like your allowing yourself be lead by other people.

must. lynch. now.

Mollie attacked robert early and often. I don't buy that it was all distancing/bussing. That, combined with AJ's name on the paper mean I'm placing my Lylo vote on AJ.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

[pirate mollie]

god I hate being in endgame

I don't necessarily see how that clears you qwints.

[qwints]

Well, I know I'm right now. That's actually somewhat of a relief since AJ has generally done a very good job this game, and I'm basically basing my read solely on the paper and Robert's interactions.

@piratemollie, I think it clears me because Robert was setting up a chain of lynches that included me. You should also look at the fact that Robert basically completely ignored AJ yesterday and hasn't attacked him in the entire game. You should also look at AJ's post after the maverick_alpha hammer in which he fully commits to bussing Robert because he knew town was about to be in Lylo.

[pirate mollie]

tbh what I am having a hard time wrapping my head around is that robert would be a smart enough player to do that.

[pirate mollie]

*crickets*

[Aj The Epic]

My post (676), was made when I thought we'd actually need one more for a lynch. I believe Shamrock was under the same impression. I also don't see a list of where you mentioned Robert. Would you like me to make one?

Spoiler:

Goody, an alt-slip. Brb, checking meta for NJ/Taz.

In the meantime, pirate, I don't really think your vote is justified given the level of explanation you gave.
@Shamrock/Jake: your votes are good. I want your thoughts: AJ/Robert Scumteam possible or no?

P-Edit @Shamrock: ^ Read above.
I think the whole team is definitely in [Robert2424, Aj The Epic, Breakfast,

one other person

]

First mention of Robert. Post 201. Calling him on a scum team with Breakfast or me (Or someone else, which I believe to have been M_A)

In post 192, Shamrock wrote:Oh good, Jake is playing the game now and is probably town after all.


In post 157, Robert2424 wrote:Vote Jake

That is really poor excuse. "I'm on my phone, nothing going to be solid posting from me, skim readings/postings, put what you want to say, I believe you can post just fine off your phone. I would post from my phone if I could and if I could, I would be able to read everything and make just as good judgement as on the computer.

I'm starting to believe everyone else here now....



This guy actually is scum. This vote is overjustified with terrible reasoning - Jake posting from his phone is the most suspicious thing that has happened in 6+ pages? How is it even suspicious at all? If you weren't suspicious of Jake enough to vote for him before, the idea that #154 put you over the edge is pretty silly. Also, Jake was providing plenty of content in the posts he made that preceded this one of Robert's. Robert is just awkwardly hopping on what he thought was a promising bandwagon.

UNVOTE: Jake
VOTE: Robert



Terrible reasoning? are you high? If anything your reasoning is Terrible for voting for me. The fact your the only person voting for me only backs it up. I feel this is more of an OMGOSH vote then anything. So Kudo's for that.

Second mention. A defense.

There is some interaction between them at the beginning of day 2. If you want to read it, it is posts 432 through 454. They were really short and had nothing of substance but Rob asking Maestro what he though M_A on the paper meant (to which, of course, Maestro suggested that it meant M_A was mafia).

The only direct mention to Robert yesterday was your vote, even after his bus attempt. Town points ftw attempt?

Well done AJ if you're goading me into this. I think AJ's willing to bus his partner here.

UNVOTE: Aj The Epic

VOTE: Robert2424

So, let me put my thoughts on the board again. P_M is town. There is almost no chance she is anything else, I've been thinking this for a while. Using the paper as an attempt at damning evidence against me just means you're really out of options and that you've got no other ability to attack me by my actual posts, Qwints. Maestro got frustrated doing so, but couldn't come up with any points that I didn't answer back tenfold.

Qwints/Maestro and Robert never had any real interaction. They distanced themselves and whenever they did post, it was quite shallow with Maestro sounding annoyed. This annoyance, though, seemed to be more of an cue to continue avoiding each other, evident by Maestro stating at the beginning of day two:

.....please don't make me yell at you to go read Day 1. Again.

and

I believe I stated after seeing maverick's reaction Day 1 that I had no idea...but now that I think about it, given that he is still alive, he's probScum today.
At least in my eyes... VOTE: maverick_alpha

Maestro refused to put any pressure behind Robert even though it's very evident that he is annoyed with Robert's posts. No accusations of skimming, of lurking or anything. Maestro was so passive about Robert. It was a ploy to get Robert to survive as long as he did.

Yesterday, Qwints voted off Robert, in my mind, too quickly. We needed to wait for Sham, but that didn't happen. Of course, now sham is gone and we won't hear from him because of a quick hammer. This proves to me, on top of everything I've said before, that Qwints is scum. He was afraid of Robert burying him any more in any fashion. Perhaps he feared Rob posting at that point because Rob could've easily have torn him down for sure today.

VOTE: Qwints

Mollie, I trust you to be pro-town, which is the only reason I'm voting. I haven't been wrong on my prediction 50% through. Qwints/Maestro has been trying to line up lynches based on a piece of paper. This to me is really bad as it would've been an easy win for him to just use the paper excuse.

If Qwints has any questions or arguments he wants to make, go ahead. I think Qwints is scum, mostly based off maestro's play, and then his quickhammering for Robert.

[qwints]

AJ, no shit pirate mollie is town. She would already have won if she was scum. Your vote doesn't show any trust whatsoever and your stupid pandering attempts are the first painfully obvious scummy thing you've done.

Second, 676 came an hour after pirate mollie hammered. The hammer came after an L-1 votecount in 670. It's also clear that you started composing that post before Maestro's 675 which means you were composing it directly after pirate mollie's hammer.

Finally, this "it's just a piece of paper" argument reeks of desperation. It's literally the only thing close to a PR we've seen from town. Pirate Mollie, you saw AJ's name on the paper. AJ, what does that piece of paper say? Also, why'd you kill shamrock. I would have thought you'd kill pirate mollie since everyone seemed to have a town read on her.

[Aj The Epic]

So, you completely disregard the chance of her being scum, because there is no possibility she is to you. Well, that's nice to know, seeing as the only way to be dead sure is to be scum.
I said that I didn't realize her vote had been the hammer. Interpret it any way you want, I still hadn't seemed M_A flip but knew the reason we were lynching him off wasn't on any real good basis.

We know the paper was probably meant to be interpreted by a senior bureaucrat. Neither ever got to one. Unfortunately, as stated, had Nacho been right, my innocence would've been proven as soon as it reached a senior. Someone didn't want that and so they killed the only claimer. Funnily enough, you seem certain that the paper is the damning evidence I am scum and whereas you think it's my damning evidence, I've already stated that I believe you're using it simply as a path to victory by lynching off two people on a piece of paper. What logic is that? Please, dear tell, with one person dead on the paper being town, has it occurred to you that maybe both were town? That rather then give away mafia, Emp just gave the town two innocent reads, almost like two innocent children were they used correctly.

What I want to know is why you quick hammered Robert before Sham came back. Rob didn't seem to have a capacity for any strong WIFOM that wasn't paper thin, so we probably could've at least cleared another person before putting him down. But no, you hammered him basically asap.

[qwints]

So, you completely disregard the chance of her being scum

Yes, because if she was scum she would have voted you and won in 733 instead of saying "god i hate being in endgame."

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: qwints

cos shamrock has more experience on this site then I do lol. misstep spotted.

[qwints]

Dammit! Scum win. Well played AJ.

[pirate mollie]

that was in response to #738 btw.

[Aj The Epic]

-.-

Sorry all. Yes, Rob and I won that.

[qwints]

Also, that was a pretty silly thing to hang your hat on mollie, but I don't blame you for the overall choice. AJ played a good game and set up maestro's mislynch before I replaced in. What would have convinced you? Why disregard the paper?

[pirate mollie]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah. I'm glad that didn't go on for days. Probably wouldn't have been fun for any of us at the end.

[pirate mollie]

Also, that was a pretty silly thing to hang your hat on mollie, but I don't blame you for the overall choice. AJ played a good game and set up maestro's mislynch before I replaced in. What would have convinced you? Why disregard the paper?

I was going with the papers were randomly selected with a probability ratio of landing on town. plus post #738 gahhhhh

I had aj as town cos of his responses. he is one I am going to watch.

[Aj The Epic]

Fair warning: I can only pull off a mafia win once in three, because doing so is pretty hard on my stress level.

Also to Maestro, my apologies. I feel like I probably attributed to you having searched for a replacement. Unfortunately, when I play scum, I go at people unusually hard and it isn't uncommon for me to make people really mad.