Mini 1390: Game Over

[nhammen]

Vote Count 3.2

Slandaar (1): Konowa
_Sherlock_ (1): Slandaar

Not Voting(6): toxictaipan, Idiotking, _Sherlock_, kwll, TheTrollie, JacobSavage

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2012-12-26 19:40:00)

[Idiotking]

So I've got another idea I'd like to vomit out here.

We need more information from Sherlock before we lynch either him or Slaandar. If Sherlock dies tonight and flips town it confirms Slaandar as scum, which scum don't really want. So Sherlock has a chance to survive the night if he's telling the truth. If he's not telling the truth, we lynch Slaandar, he flips town, and we're basically dead.

Going along with this, Konowa is off limits, because lynching him would be stupid without some sort of confirmation about Sherlock's alignment. Even if Sherlock's right, Konowa might be a godfather, so I want to play it safe.

I don't want to kill Jacob, because doing so would be a complete shot in the dark from my perspective. Scum in a single two-man neighborhood is extremely unlikely, and we'd be playing Russian Roulette with it.

Trollie should obviously not be lynched, because we need to assume he's not scum for now. He also needs to do what the town as a whole agrees, because 1. that would lead to more discussion, which we really damn well need right now, 2. it would allow the town as a whole to decide rather than a single person, and crowdsourcing is actually a good thing, 3. if he's a SK he needs to be chained.

This leaves toxic and kwll. I do not at all buy Sherlock's argument that kwll is town, because from what I can see it's based on gut, and as I've said many times, I don't buy gut. Since my reads up to this point have been complete crap, I'm going to just have to go on pure setup analysis, which is something I really hate doing. I say we lynch kwll, partially because he's completely unreadable to me, and partially because of the process of elimination.

That leaves toxic, who may or may not be NK'd by Trollie. I can't say I have a scumread on toxic, but as I've said, my reads up until now have been complete crap, so I don't know. The only strong read I still have is on Slandaar.

So I suppose going against what I said up there, Slandaar may be the best bet for a Trollie NK, if kwll flips scum. We'd definitely have survived the night, and it would give us a clear indication of Sherlock's alignment. While we wouldn't know about Konowa (it's possible for scum claiming cop to buddy a townie in order to get props), it would at least cut down scum's numbers.

Assuming we lynch scum today, it will probably be in scum's best interests to kill Trollie, simply because regardless of his alignment, he's another night killer, and scum won't want more opportunities for him to kill them. If he's vig, well, we'd really have no way of knowing. If he's a SK, hooray.

Assuming we lynch kwll and he flips scum, Sherlock should investigate either Jacob or toxic. Since Jacob's more up in the air for me, he may be the best bet, because like I said, I don't like Russian Roulette.

Assuming we lynch kwll and he flips

town

, well, we need a backup plan for what Sherlock and Trollie should do. Sherlock may still want to investigate Jacob, because hell, why not. Trollie should still probably go after Slandaar. We'd be in a far worse position, though.


Ok, so that was a lot of thoughts.

[_Sherlock_]

I have an alternative idea.

No-lynch, Trollie doesn't shoot. I get another investigation, and we're put in the same situation otherwise. Most likely, Trollie gets shot.

[TheTrollie]

sherlock... u gonna answer. my?

[_Sherlock_]

Also, my role pretty much confirms that Trollie is lying. Claim that you aren't a full Vig or be signaled off as an SK.

WAIT

how did i miss this. explain now.

How likely do you see the possibility of a full Vig and a full Cop in a Mini Normal?

[Idiotking]

We would be in a crappy situation if we no-lynched, because we'd be no closer to finding out whether or not we can trust your claim, and we'd be out a vig/SK, who we need. No lynching is a terrible idea.

[Idiotking]

How likely do you see the possibility of a full Vig and a full Cop in a Mini Normal?

I just got out of a game that had two cops and a vig (cops alternated days), so it's not unheard of for that sort of thing.

Though I am curious here. Why did you wait to switch your view of Trollie until you claimed? If you suspected him, why didn't you investigate him?

[Idiotking]

See, all of this is starting to stink of someone who doesn't want his claim to be confirmed.

[Idiotking]

Wait a minute, I'm overthinking things here. Just lynch Slandaar and if he flips town have Trollie NK Sherlock. If he flips scum then scum will have two PR's to choose from, meaning one of them gets to survive until tomorrow and continue to be useful. Ta da.

Vote Slandaar

[TheTrollie]

Unvote right now idioit. right now.

NOW DO IT NOW

there is 0 reason to place a vote this early in this day right now before we all have had time to mull this over...plus i have a bunch of stuff to say before anyone gets lynched today

[TheTrollie]

Also, my role pretty much confirms that Trollie is lying. Claim that you aren't a full Vig or be signaled off as an SK.

WAIT

how did i miss this. explain now.

How likely do you see the possibility of a full Vig and a full Cop in a Mini Normal?

r u saying i should be voting u right now?

[TheTrollie]

IDIOT REMOVE UR VOTE LITERALLY RIGHT NOW

[Idiotking]

No.

[TheTrollie]

I don't remember many people calling you scum so whoever you killed that would probably be the case
He was a PR
It makes me look terrible which goes well with your fake claim

I see you still havn't shown these flaws. How amazing.

BODYGUARD. He's going to die anyway. I have absolutely no advantage killing a scummy player that thinks I'm town and will probably die by other means.

Again, I have no need to set anything up in order to get you lynched. However, this argument will go on forever because we are confirmed scum to each other.

I haven't shown you those flaws because being at school kinda hinders your ability to make long posts.

really stupid arg, he could have been protecting ur kill target

Also, my role pretty much confirms that Trollie is lying. Claim that you aren't a full Vig or be signaled off as an SK.

So:

Sherlock - Town Cop
Konowa - Vanilla Townie

Trollie - Vigilante/Serial Killer

Slandaar - Mafia ???

toxic
Jacob
Idiot
kwll

As long as Trollie has shots left, we should be able to get rid of the Mafia easily. I very seriously doubt that Jacob and Idiot are fakeclaiming neighbors together, so there's max one scum in them. Therefore, there has to be at least one scum in {toxic, kwll}. It's simple; Trollie shoots one of them. If they flip town, we lynch the other one, leaving us with the Neighbors and Konowa in LyLo. If they flip scum, we sort it out from there.

Right now, I'm calling a Slandaar-toxic-Jacob scumteam.

i thought u think im lying...

p-edit: IDIOT I swear to god listen to me if we mislynch this game is likely over, you need to take that vote off right now.

[TheTrollie]

+ we NEED THIS DISCUSSION TO GO ON MUCH LONGER

otherwise town is literally done. I have thought this out 30 times please listen to me

[Idiotking]

Dude, calm the hell down. He's at L-3. You've got time to say what you want, but you'd better get to explaining.

I'm going to overlook the obvious AtE ("If we lynch now it's literal end of the world!") for now.

[TheTrollie]

right...with possibly 3 scum out there who can all hop on and vote.

u are putting him at risk of a quicklynch.

get that vote off.

i need to read something

[Idiotking]

If they try to rush a quicklynch it will be obvious,

and you can kill them, can't you?

It's like you don't even remember your role anymore.

[TheTrollie]

it will be obvious but they can end the game with a mislynch today...do u understand we are in MYLO?

[Idiotking]

Assuming we have three scum, and assuming you are vig, and that Slandaartown is quicklynched:

8 players - 5 town 3 scum
-1 town from lynch

N3 begins

4 town 3 scum

-1 town from NK

3 town 3 scum

-1 scum from NK

3 town 2 scum

D4 starts.

[Idiotking]

In my experience scum only win,

only

win if there is literally no other possible conclusion than they win. If we have a night killer then that isn't the case if we lynch town today. And we really need to confirm Sherlock's claim.

And you are still not telling me why Slandaar is town.

[TheTrollie]

I see two possibilities:

1. Slandaar is Bulletproof scum
2. The Mafia have a Roleblocking ability and used it on you

I find the first one more likely, simply because 1-shot Bulletproof makes sense with the given roles in nhammen's ruleset.

lets assume slandaar is not bulletproof scum cause as jacob said its probably not the case.

Mafia would roleblock me u think? id say not. I never said who I was gonna shoot. I doubt they killed thor cause he was gonna be an easy lynch today which means they probably shot someone (me) and thor protected that person. A mafia roleblocker would have roleblocked THOR then.

So is someone a town roleblocker and not telling us?

p-edit: YOU ARE ASSUMING I SHOOT TONIGHT AND HIT SCUM. I SHOT LAST NIGHT AND NOTHING HAPPENED...come on think about this.

I am not saying Slandaar is town, i am saying you NEVER let the vote get to L-[number of scum] in this position this early in the day....EVER

[Idiotking]

Slandaar is a claimed bulletproof, you said you shot at him. It's entirely possible for him to be bulletproof scum when there's a vig.

We still have no real reason to buy that there is a roleblocker. Until we have evidence it would be stupid to assume that there is one. You're going to have to try harder.

[Idiotking]

*mafia roleblocker

[TheTrollie]

uh...because there either is one or Slandaar is likely town ergo Sherlock likely scum...

I have reason to believe there is a roleblocker btw