Mini 1390: Game Over

[JacobSavage]

Even if you are cop and your results are correct. There is always a chance of roles that would make your investigations usless. For example a Godfather would make your result on Konowa usless.

[_Sherlock_]

Feel free to shoot me if you no-lynch; you'll be left with confirmed scum in you and a Vig/SK who can get rid of another scum for a night. Meanwhile, if Trollie is killed, I just get an extra shot at finding scum, and we dual it out again.

Can't you see why it would be a bad thing to no-lynch? As it stands we have no reason at all to trust you. You've claimed cop, but why should we believe you? You seem to have this thing against confirming things, and it's terribly anti-town. We need to know if we can trust you before any results you have are useful.

I didn't say I preferred that option. My preferred course of action would be to lynch toxic, and if he's town, shoot kwll. That way, we get rid of scum, I stay alive and get another investigation for a chance at getting all of the scum (or Slandaar kills me for a trade-off), and we're left in an overall good situation. Of course, that only works if I'm trusted, but so does lynching Slandaar.

How have I been "against confirming things?"

[Idiotking]

How would lynching toxic and shooting kwll confirm your role?

Lynching Slandaar would work regardless of whether we trust you, thanks to Trollie's NK. That's

how

we would confirm you.

It's really obvious how you've been against us confirming things. Neither of the suggestions you've made today would confirm your role, which we desperately need. You were against Trollie shooting someone on N1 so that we could confirm his role. You're like the cockblock of confirming things.

[_Sherlock_]

Don't you have to trust me to lynch Slandaar?

Oh, I get it - you want to lynch Slandaar now just so that you have safety in shooting me if he's town.

[Idiotking]

Basically, yes. Slandaar's flip will basically tell us your alignment. Trollie can shoot you if Slandaar flips town, because that means you lied and are scum. If Slandaar flips scum, dandy.

[JacobSavage]

If he flips scum then your not off the hook yet though.

[Idiotking]

The reason Sherlock isn't voting me is he doesn't want to vote with his buddy Konowa until an actual townie votes me otherwise it is too obvious who the scum are.

Well, we'd have more evidence to trust his claim. We would still be taking a risk in trusting him, but it would be much less, enough to make me comfortable with it.

[Idiotking]

Ignore that Slandaar quote. Phoneposting.

[JacobSavage]

Fair enough if slandaar flips miller (do millers get told their millers?) then what?
Its unlikely but what would Trollie do then?

[TheTrollie]

Idiot u need to unvote, we need this discussion to go on as long as possible. There are a ton of possibilities here. Post incoming. Actually I might wait to hear from kwll before I put this post up but basically this is the day where town wins or loses this game. We need to think long-term. Your plan sucks because it guarantees us catching one scum, but leaves us sitting ducks tomorrow. We need to see Slandaar and Sherlock's behavior today in order to put this puzzle together.

Stop being naive

p-edit: then we are fucked. see above...now is not the time to agree to a plan that only guarantees us 1 scum (or maybe not if there is a miller jacob)

in other news Jacob is looking more and more town today. Same with Idiot actually.

[Idiotking]

A bulletproof miller would be silly. Anyway, stop hinting at some big argument you plan on making. If you've got one, make it, otherwise I'm leaving my vote where it is.

[Idiotking]

Another thought just crossed my mind, which is that Sherlock's suggestion of a no-lynch no-shoot would let scum kill the vig, meaning LYLO and having to go on blind faith with his claim, which is a good situation for scum.

[Konowa]

Jacob is -not- town. Not the way he happily tap danced to both a Thor or Kinetic lynch yesterday.
I'm starting to have some reservations about Sherlock (receiving a guilty on Slandaar but wanting to lynch toxic?), but IK is right. Slandaar is today's lynch. If for some reason Slandaar flips town, Trollie shoots Sherlock. None of this miller nonsense, millers in Normals are told they are millers.

[Idiotking]

Ok, Konowa is definitely town. If Slandaar flips scum then Sherlock's result on him is confirmed, which would be absolutely fine from Konowascum's perspective. If Slandaar flips town then Sherlock would be lynched as scum, which is against what Konowascum would want. However, Konowa is ok with both lynching Slandaar and having Sherlockscum get lynched if Slandaar flips town, which is only something Konowatown would want.

[Idiotking]

*Sherlock would be shot as scum

[_Sherlock_]

Lynching toxic/shooting kwll would get me another investigation and kill scum.

[Idiotking]

WE WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE YOU.

[Konowa]

Why do you not want to lynch your guilty, Klick? Screw that other rubbish. What town motivation is there to -not- lynch Slandaar at this point?

[_Sherlock_]

I GET THAT. I AM SAYING THAT THAT IS OUR BEST OPTION FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

@Konowa: There are more advantageous ways to go about it. It's basically either having a 1v1 between me and Slandaar or between toxic and kwll. Which one do you feel more confident you can find the scum in?

[Idiotking]

Your perspective is flawed. You have to look at things from the town's perspective, because otherwise you are working with information we don't have and cannot assume. That's why Kinetic was so crappy.

[Konowa]

Uhh? I'm more confident in lynching the cop guilty and if you are lying having your face blown off.

[Konowa]

Even if Slandaar flips scum, the way you are going about this is making me think that you are scum bussing your partner. There is -zero- reason for you as town to receive a guilty and not want it dead. Also, where does this toxic/kwll 1v1 come from?

[Idiotking]

I like how the two most critical people to our plan are the two most against it.

[_Sherlock_]

Think about this from a long-term perspective. Let's say for a second that the worst-case scenario happens: we lynch wrong between me and Slandaar and shoot the other tonight. You're left with you, Jacob, toxic, kwll, and Konowa - LyLo. You'll lynch between toxic and kwll with no backup.

However, let's take the worst-case scenario from my plan: we lynch wrong between toxic and kwll and have the other shot tonight. Then, you're left with me, Slandaar, you, Jacob, and Konowa - also LyLo. The difference is, you're choosing between me and Slandaar, and I will know who the third scum is by then.

There is no drawback to it.

[Konowa]

Why are you assuming that with your plan that scum won't shoot your face?